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[dakidbanks]

J.Cole being considered as the 3rd wheel was mostly because he lacked in skills compared to Kendrick and Drake. It's still the case today.
He did improve a bit, but he's still behind, and he stills lacks in most aspects of mceeing. Let's not talk about the poor execution of his albums either.

I agree, he definitely was the 3rd wheel in that feud but as far as MC'ing, man I just don't know lol I didn't think ppl thought this low of Cole's rapping. This time last year ppl were praising how he was bodying features, even verses on the Might Delete Later joint

 

[Not Crodie]

Damn.. I didn't know so many ppl thought Kendrick was on a higher level lyrically than Cole, especially in 2024 with the way Cole been spazzin the past few years

I can understand Kendrick's artistry being higher, but as far as pure rapping, I didn't know I was in the minority here and I'm a fan of both

Has this always been the case here or did ppl come to this conclusion after he bowed out of the Drake feud? I know that shyt rubbed a lot of ppl the wrong way but I'm talkin about pure rapping ability... a lot of ppl don't fukk with Em but they don't discredit is rhyming ability.. not sayin that's the case here just using it as an example

Consensus has always been that Kendrick was much better than Cole.
No doubt Cole sounds a bit better than in the past, but subject matter is always the same, technically its always the same, and for someone like him that relies a lot on flow, he clearly doesn't comprehend the 5 rules that make a flow good.

I'd say trained ears are just not getting fooled by his surface level rapping

 

[Not Crodie]

I agree, he definitely was the 3rd wheel in that feud but as far as MC'ing, man I just don't know lol I didn't think ppl thought this low of Cole's rapping. This time last year ppl were praising how he was bodying features, even verses on the Might Delete Later joint

Features can't get u very far...and if you're being honest, you would admit the only thing he was rapping about was him wanting to be the best.
Cole is mostly praised by his own fans, but outside of that cercle, he really doesn't get much praise. Proof of that...Cole fans are always crying about Cole not having any album on all time lists (when Kendrick has like 3 that are often ranked very high on these lists), or Cole never being ranked high on these best rappers lists

Another reason why he was often considered as the 3rd wheel was because of his catalog, it's kinda underwhelming. On the other hand, you have Kendrick with the highest rated catalog in rap history, and Drake with the best selling catalog in rap history.

 

[dakidbanks]

Consensus has always been that Kendrick was much better than Cole.
No doubt Cole sounds a bit better than in the past, but subject matter is always the same, technically its always the same, and for someone like him that relies a lot on flow, he clearly doesn't comprehend the 5 rules that make a flow good.

I'd say trained ears are just not getting fooled by his surface level rapping

Kendrick def makes better bodies of work.. I respect that logic.... me personally, I think on a technical aspect, Cole is way more complex than current Kendrick. Rhyme schemes, entendres, etc. I think Cole is putting more effort into making those things stand out in comparison to Kendrick... if the preference is Kendrick's cadence, messaging and flow then that's a diff argument cuz musically I'd prefer a Kendrick album over Cole as well

I get what you're sayin tho

 

[Not Crodie]

Kendrick def makes better bodies of work.. I respect that logic.... me personally, I think on a technical aspect, Cole is way more complex than current Kendrick. Rhyme schemes, entendres, etc. I think Cole is putting more effort into making those things stand out in comparison to Kendrick... if the preference is Kendrick's cadence, messaging and flow then that's a diff argument cuz musically I'd prefer a Kendrick album over Cole as well

I get what you're sayin tho

Like Eminem said 2 years ago, the thing with Kendrick is that he changes his style all the time. From what we have seen, he can do it all on a very high level. We haven't seen Cole doing it all though.
At this point Kendrick has pretty much covered every style of rap there is. I think he's legit the most versatile rapper since Andre 3000


Also Kendrick got heavily criticized years ago for making rhyme schemes and shyt like that stand out, cuz thats really not what we wanna hear, and that doesn't require a lot of skills tbh, everybody can do it.

 

[VegetasHairline]

These Kendrick bots are ridiculous!

 

[Overpss]

When Kendrick is really on his rap shyt, I don't see anybody touching him. There's literally experts and lecturers writing 500 page essays to analyze the technical aspects of his rap, shyt is crazy (see Martin Connor for example) and you can tell what he does is unheard of. Haters been talking about people dikkriding Kendrick but truth is, Kendrick is in a league of his own when it comes to rapping. He just decided to be an artist first, and a rapper second.

But I disagree with Drake being better than Cole....cuz he doesn't write his own shyt

 

[Izanami]

Everything from the forced narrative of he how supposedly came up organically to start up until now where he's too full of himself (cloaked in this fake hermit/gandhi image) to give the fans what they want. Skills fell off and Bars are overrated too, real fans that checked for dude from the beginning know he was a MUCH better rapper compared to now, execution of concepts included. One reason his battle with Drake is/was so corny is because they both have the same type of plot armor these days.

He gets a lot of passes. Always felt like he kinda clout chased dissing Aubrey and Cole on a Future record. It’s also clear that his best music is left in the 2010s.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

Kendrick doesn’t have to collab with Cole if he doesn’t want to but i’d say Kendrick having ill feelings towards Cole at this juncture AFTER Cole literally bent the knee and kissed Kendrick’s ring would be more than little fukked up if they were ever friends to begin with. Cole speaks so highly of Kendrick and Drake in his podcast that you can’t help but feel a little bad for him because Cole really does come off as a genuinely nice guy who cherished his association with the both of them. Like he REALLY felt honored to be part of the “big three” and probably took the brotherhood associated with it more seriously than either of the other two did.

Hip Hop is a blood sport at the end of the day when your vying to be the undisputed best and Cole brought it upon himself for claiming GOAT status, hopping in the ring, and then having second thoughts. But a man publicly bowing to another man and literally giving him the crown should come with SOME grace from the victor. I completely get why Kendrick would be forever on sight with Drake. He’s a fraud, huckster, lame, and opportunist who used the pens, talents, and momentums of others to sail straight to the top of the genre and act as if he’s God gift when in reality he can’t write a complete 16 bars to save his own life. Not only that he put money in the streets of Compton to get info. So I get the eternal hatred for Aubrey. But I hope he and Cole can reconcile one day.

Honestly, Kendrick and Cole don't come off as friends to me. Not to say they never were, but when I look at Cole and Drake's friendship, it seems like the only one that actually exists within the big three. They were closer when they were both coming up, but within two years of their debut albums, Kendrick outpaced Cole and it seemed more like mutual respect than friendship. At least in Kendrick's case. Cole obviously loves and respects Kendrick and sees him as a friend. If Kendrick never talked to Cole again, I feel like he would be okay with it.

For all of Drake's faults, I at least had the impression that he had the same amount of love and respect for Cole that Cole had for him. I don't know if Kendrick has that same admiration, or if he ever did.

Damn.. I didn't know so many ppl thought Kendrick was on a higher level lyrically than Cole, especially in 2024 with the way Cole been spazzin the past few years

I can understand Kendrick's artistry being higher, but as far as pure rapping, I didn't know I was in the minority here and I'm a fan of both

Has this always been the case here or did ppl come to this conclusion after he bowed out of the Drake feud? I know that shyt rubbed a lot of ppl the wrong way but I'm talkin about pure rapping ability... a lot of ppl don't fukk with Em but they don't discredit is rhyming ability.. not sayin that's the case here just using it as an example

I always thought Kendrick was better than Cole. Even now. Which is why I think a lot of Cole fans were hurt by the apology. They think Kendrick is overrated and wanted someone to beat him. Cole was their best bet, and when he pulled out, it was clear that Kendrick was #1. That just made them despise him more.

It's also funny that people are using the technical argument to boost up Cole when Eminem gets flak for the same thing. MMLP2 is arguably his best album from a technical standpoint, but nobody's using that as a way to say Eminem is the best because it's not a good album. Cole's discography is definitely making improvements, but Kendrick already reached those heights years ago.

And for the first time in years, both Kendrick and Cole dropped an album in the same year, so here's a head-to-head: GNX vs. Might Delete Later. Who wins?

 

[MINT]

Honestly, Kendrick and Cole don't come off as friends to me. Not to say they never were, but when I look at Cole and Drake's friendship, it seems like the only one that actually exists within the big three. They were closer when they were both coming up, but within two years of their debut albums, Kendrick outpaced Cole and it seemed more like mutual respect than friendship. At least in Kendrick's case. Cole obviously loves and respects Kendrick and sees him as a friend. If Kendrick never talked to Cole again, I feel like he would be okay with it.

For all of Drake's faults, I at least had the impression that he had the same amount of love and respect for Cole that Cole had for him. I don't know if Kendrick has that same admiration, or if he ever did.



I always thought Kendrick was better than Cole. Even now. Which is why I think a lot of Cole fans were hurt by the apology. They think Kendrick is overrated and wanted someone to beat him. Cole was their best bet, and when he pulled out, it was clear that Kendrick was #1. That just made them despise him more.

It's also funny that people are using the technical argument to boost up Cole when Eminem gets flak for the same thing. MMLP2 is arguably his best album from a technical standpoint, but nobody's using that as a way to say Eminem is the best because it's not a good album. Cole's discography is definitely making improvements, but Kendrick already reached those heights years ago.

And for the first time in years, both Kendrick and Cole dropped an album in the same year, so here's a head-to-head: GNX vs. Might Delete Later. Who wins?

Good point. Kendrick dropped yet another acclaimed album this year, while Cole's shyt was received with mixed reviews.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

Good point. Kendrick dropped yet another acclaimed album this year, while Cole's shyt was received with mixed reviews.

I thought Might Delete Later was dope and I've been listening to it all year, but if GNX came out in July and not November, I don't think Cole gets nominated for Best Rap Album.

 

[Big Boss]

Would have been cool 15 years ago, but right now we can safely say Cole hasn't earned the right to work with an artist of Kendrick's caliber.

 

[VegetasHairline]

Why am I supposed to care about the opinions of writers who don't listen to hip hop? I can listen to the albums and form my own opinions.

 

[Ziggiy]

Honestly, Kendrick and Cole don't come off as friends to me. Not to say they never were, but when I look at Cole and Drake's friendship, it seems like the only one that actually exists within the big three. They were closer when they were both coming up, but within two years of their debut albums, Kendrick outpaced Cole and it seemed more like mutual respect than friendship. At least in Kendrick's case. Cole obviously loves and respects Kendrick and sees him as a friend. If Kendrick never talked to Cole again, I feel like he would be okay with it.

For all of Drake's faults, I at least had the impression that he had the same amount of love and respect for Cole that Cole had for him. I don't know if Kendrick has that same admiration, or if he ever did.



I always thought Kendrick was better than Cole. Even now. Which is why I think a lot of Cole fans were hurt by the apology. They think Kendrick is overrated and wanted someone to beat him. Cole was their best bet, and when he pulled out, it was clear that Kendrick was #1. That just made them despise him more.

It's also funny that people are using the technical argument to boost up Cole when Eminem gets flak for the same thing. MMLP2 is arguably his best album from a technical standpoint, but nobody's using that as a way to say Eminem is the best because it's not a good album. Cole's discography is definitely making improvements, but Kendrick already reached those heights years ago.

And for the first time in years, both Kendrick and Cole dropped an album in the same year, so here's a head-to-head: GNX vs. Might Delete Later. Who wins?

I’m going based off Cole’s audio series. He speaks very highly of both Drake and Kendrick and akins Kendrick to a cousin.

 

[Overpss]

Daily reminder that Cole apologized and said he was removing his diss track from streaming services, but only did it after a week to make sure it would boost the 1st week sales of his album...on the other hand, you have Kendrick that didn't even put Not Like Us, the most streamed and acclaimed song of the year, on his album.

That is what you call integrity. He doesn't compromise his art like that

And you wonder why Kendrick doesn't want anything to do with Cole? You really want the most acclaimed rapper to make joint music with a dude that keep compromising his music?