1990s NBA teams vs Current teams.

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Shooting is a talent, don't try and dismiss it.


80's teams run into the same problem as the 90s, you're looking at things from a strictly talent standpoint. We saw in the Olympics and World games what 3 point shooting can do even when a team doesn't have nearly as much talent. How do you compete with a team that is shooting 28 threes a game, making 11 of them while you are making 3 out of 10....how? Especially when the pace is slower, meaning the 3 point shot is even more valuable.

I'm asking how can a team compete with that...

You think players today are simply better shooters? I don't buy it their simply asked to concentrate on 3's more

Look at how many guys have come into the league recently who couldn't shoot in college then got to a nba team and whitin a few years are good at shooting the 3. A few years ago they never would be asked to do that it's philosophy not more skill

You honestly beleive if they asked the 90's players to concentrate on shooting 3's they couldn't be successful?
 

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This thread is basically just saying 3 point shooting >>>>>

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Anyway I've got no horse in this race so
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That's all you got out of that?

One thing @Malta didn't bring up in all of that work regarding the 90s













































They had the mighty HANDCHECK.

**drops mic**
 

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I'm curious about just how clouded by nostalgia some of you are, I see people constantly saying the league was better way back when. I'll be the first to admit the big men were better, however some of you are completely oblivious to what is happening in the league and how things are evolving to the point a lot of those 90s teams as they were constructed would get washed today.


Case in point, I see so many of you pointing to the Hawks as a means of putting down the league, saying they won 60 games therefore the league must be bad. However in the 92-93 & 93-94 seasons, these rosters won -

60 wins
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55 wins
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63 wins
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I know your rebuttal will be that Patrick, Payton & D-Rob were HOFers and that is correct, however these teams would get completely and utterly washed in a series by the Hawks, Warriors, Spurs, Rockets, Clippers, Cavs and so on. You know why? Because they made 193, 242 and 249 threes on the entire season. For comparisons sake, the worst 3 point shooting team in the league this year hit 406 and everyone says they can't shoot :dead:. Teams would handle the Knicks, Sonics & Spurs just like they do the Grizz, shrink the floor, give up 2s and beat them with 3s on the other end, and the Grizz may as well be the Warriors with the shooting compared to these 90s teams. Against the 90s Jazz, Knicks, Cavs, Suns, Hornets, etc teams today would just pack the paint and dare them to win games from outside because they straight up and down couldn't do it. Even the mighty 91-93 Bulls..their highest total during that 3 year stretch was 244.



There has been a shift in the league, and alot of those 90s teams you all praise so much would not last long in the current NBA. I won't really address the seasons from 94-97, mainly because they had the short 3 point line and you started to see teams firing them shyts up with no regard. That said, you cannot beat the teams in the NBA today without ample 3 point shooting because they are all good at taking advantage of the zone principles thanks to Tom Thibodeau, they want you to take long 2s, they want you to dribble in and take that mid-range jumper rather than shooting the corner 3. You might say "Pat/D-Rob gonna go for 50!" yeah on 20-41 while his teammates would get 30, while opposing teams today hoist up 35 threes making 12 of them.

"But Malta, you the low post fan!"

Yes, and eventually this new style of play is going to lead to a devastating post player with a team built around him that can shoot. You could catch glimpses of how hard it is to stop with the 94-95 Rockets and Magic to a lesser extent, they were the first step in the evolutionary ladder that has brought on this style of play. Once the Rockets got rid of Thorpe and gave Horry the start at PF, they almost always had 4 floor spacers out there with Hakeem. I welcome all these 3s with open arms because I know that the evolution of the game will then call for someone who can get you 2 when you need it, and what better way to build a 3 point shooting team than with a big you can run offense through who will be going 1 on 1 with his defender because his 4 teammates are waiting for that open 3.


Basically watching yall constantly overrate the 90s is disgusting, you can't even give me a realistic argument how some of these teams would overcome the massive shooting disadvantage. No team that's making 3-4 threes a game is beating one that makes 10-12, period. You can talk about handchecking and how tough they were, but from a team standpoint the vast majority of squads today are straight up humiliating those from the 90s. @Jplaya2023 please help me understand how your vaunted 90s teams would beat teams today, how would they get them out of the faux zone which is built around the purpose of limiting points in the paint, giving up long 2s and limiting corner 3s..which they didn't even shoot :dead:


I dont know if hindsight is 20/20 or whatever but I'm surprised by how long it took teams to figure out how valuable stretch 4s are. If you have a good PG and a big guy that can make plays inside, all you have to so is put 3 shooters around them that can guard their position.
I promise you it is NOT a coincidence Robert Horry won all those chips
 

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All that space, now just wait until the next true big man gets here and someone gets the bright idea to surround him with 4 shooters :wow:

I can't wait, I'm hoping it's Joel but if it's not I feel we're getting so close breh, you can almost hear his beautiful footsteps :to:
lol. malta waiting for the big that will bring balance to the force like anakin skywalker :wow:
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
Lets get even deeper :takedat:

League wide:
1990-91 - 32% from 3 league average 2.2 threes per game :russ:
1991-92 - 33% from 3 league average 2.5 threes per game :scust:
1992-93 - 34% from 3 league average 3 threes per game :dead:
1993-94 - 33% from 3 league average 3.2 threes per game :francis:

1994-1997 the line was moved in because these muthafukkas couldn't shoot, I don't want to hear shyt about how players are unskilled today you know why?


2014-15 - 35% from 3 league average 7.8 threes per game


They make more at a higher percentage, but the NBA lacks skill today :camby:
 

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That's all you got out of that?

One thing @Malta didn't bring up in all of that work regarding the 90s













































They had the mighty HANDCHECK.

**drops mic**
What else did it say:ld:? It just stressed that modern teams are >>> than 90's teams because of the new emphasis on 3 point shooting aka 3 point shooting>>>>>>> :manny:
 

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I've almost never seen a team be less succesful with a stretch 4 than a old school style 4. Even if you give up a little bit defensively, the spacing you get and the ability to take bigs out of the paint is invaluable. Obv,I'd take Al Jefferson over Steve Novak but I mean for the most part it always works.
I have a feeling someone will bring up Tristan Thompson but the Cavs were already killing with Love (36-7 last 43 games with LeBron) and there is no way they are actually better with Thompson,even if the D is slightly improved
 

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HOFS LEADING THEIR TEAMS TO 60 WINS IS A SHOCK NOW?

THAT SONICS TEAM WAS LOADED
NOT SURE WHY YOU POSTED THEM....

ITS A 3P LEAGUE NOW
THE MOST BUM TEAMS IN THE L
MAKE MORE 3S THAN THE BEST TEAMS IN THE 90S
SO THAT AINT REALLY SAYING shyt.

IM SURE JOSH SMITH HAS MADE MORE 3S THAN KERR IN 94.
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I think the point is that the shooting we are seeing now is saying shyt.

Another reason why I think the 2012 Olympic team was one of the top 3 teams of all time.

When they got hot...doesn't matter what legend you could name being in the paint. Those 3s were dropping
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
HOFS LEADING THEIR TEAMS TO 60 WINS IS A SHOCK NOW?

THAT SONICS TEAM WAS LOADED
NOT SURE WHY YOU POSTED THEM....

ITS A 3P LEAGUE NOW
THE MOST BUM TEAMS IN THE L
MAKE MORE 3S THAN THE BEST TEAMS IN THE 90S
SO THAT AINT REALLY SAYING shyt.

IM SURE JOSH SMITH HAS MADE MORE 3S THAN KERR IN 94.
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John Starks & Dale Ellis as the second best players on 55 and 60 win teams :francis:

That Sonics team wouldn't be able to advance int he current NBA playoffs, they'd get rained on by 3s while Kemp struggles to score in a packed paint.
 
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