129 Chicago Public Schools are Closing

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Lets be real, Alot of these kids just don't give a fukk it doesn't matter who's teaching them they just don't CARE

Even when we were in MS/HS, they were kids who didnt care and literally didnt show up. How is that the school's fault?

Your absolutely right, and that is due to bad and/or absent parents. By right these kids should be able to learn in a shack and still get their lessons, but both the parents AND teachers need to be on these kids asses. It takes effort. Something parents and teachers today don't seem to give a fukk about. I have two girls and best believe I'm on their ass when it comes to their studies. Not just yelling at them to study but actually setting time aside, and going over lessons everyday. Parents need to get their hands dirty with their kids education and make them care. Its that simple. Unfortunately most parents today dont give a fukk.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

nobody is crying over schools that are failing

they are crying over schools set up to fail in the first place

they still in 2013 receive only 1/3 of the funding predominantly white school districts receive.

they get the teachers that are below standard and that the other schools would never hire

the prerequisites are not that of higher learning but more concerned with making sure children past standardized test so that teachers can get paid.

and by closing schools you are taking some children accustomed to their neighborhood shoving them in other neighborhoods where likely the clicks will be different insuring more violence.

on top of that, you are piling more children into classrooms clearly overcrowding them and leaving teachers unable to properly educate because of the overwhelming number of children they will have to handle

and instead of doing the right thing and opening the budget so these children can be funded the exact same way the predominantly white school districts are and making the education more than just passing the up coming standardized test, giving these children a chance at succeeding, they rather take the easy way out and just close the schools and treat the children like they are too stupid to get to national level, when you giving the children a bad base to start from, off jump.

its the equivalent of what goes on in the hood, where the federal government turn a blind eye to overwhelming number of drugs, guns and liquor stores in the hood, which is clearly a recipe of failure but then want to point the fingers at the people who commit the crimes as if they were not set up to fail in the first place.

So in your opinion, "opening the budget" to fund a failing system is the answer huh? US schools already spend an average of $10,615 per year per child to educate a children in a public school system. Contrast this with South Korea that spends an average of 6,723 per child. Despite this difference South Korean kids are outpacing American kids by a large margin in all the subjects that matter like (Math, science, etc...).

Pouring more money into a failed system is a stupid idea. Destroying and rebuilding the school system to serve the kids better is a far better use of the tax payer monies. I believe charter schools, private schools, and restructured public scholl system should be part of the solution. All these people out here yelling that public schools should be funded no matter what are generally union loving teaches looking to protect their pension checks. They could give a flying fukk about the appalling situation in the public schools system today.

References: http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/money-cant-buy-genius/

 

[No_bammer_weed]

So in your opinion, "opening the budget" to fund a failing system is the answer huh? US schools already spend an average of $10,615 per year per child to educate a children in a public school system.

This is a misleading because its a skewed stat. Because of higher property tax revenues, schools in the suburbs are allocated more funds than the inner city, i.e white kids vs. black kids. Black kids aren't getting the same level of funding and resources that white kids are, generally speaking, and this discussion is about the slashing of inner city schools for the most part. That 10,000 per student number isnt reflective of all students across the board. Its top heavy in favor of the privileged.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

So in your opinion, "opening the budget" to fund a failing system is the answer huh? US schools already spend an average of $10,615 per year per child to educate a children in a public school system. Contrast this with South Korea that spends an average of 6,723 per child. Despite this difference South Korean kids are outpacing American kids by a large margin in all the subjects that matter like (Math, science, etc...).

Pouring more money into a failed system is a stupid idea. Destroying and rebuilding the school system to serve the kids better is a far better use of the tax payer monies. I believe charter schools, private schools, and restructured public scholl system should be part of the solution. All these people out here yelling that public schools should be funded no matter what are generally union loving teaches looking to protect their pension checks. They could give a flying fukk about the appalling situation in the public schools system today.

References: US spends almost $11k per student, while Japan and South Korea spend less and outpace American students in test scores. | Face the Facts USA[/
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I don't understand how you read what I posted and figured I was saying the only solution is to pour dollars into the public school.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

So in your opinion, "opening the budget" to fund a failing system is the answer huh? US schools already spend an average of $10,615 per year per child to educate a children in a public school system. Contrast this with South Korea that spends an average of 6,723 per child. Despite this difference South Korean kids are outpacing American kids by a large margin in all the subjects that matter like (Math, science, etc...).

Pouring more money into a failed system is a stupid idea. Destroying and rebuilding the school system to serve the kids better is a far better use of the tax payer monies. I believe charter schools, private schools, and restructured public scholl system should be part of the solution. All these people out here yelling that public schools should be funded no matter what are generally union loving teaches looking to protect their pension checks. They could give a flying fukk about the appalling situation in the public schools system today.

References: US spends almost $11k per student, while Japan and South Korea spend less and outpace American students in test scores. | Face the Facts USA[/
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I don't understand how you read what I posted and figured I was saying the only solution is to pour dollars into the public school.

You guys have done nothing but harp on the funding disparities as the primary reason that these schools are failing. I say its a mindset and a failure to guide and instruct by both the parents and the school administration. Do you have any other explanation for the poor performance of these schools outside of financial differences?

 

[Mr. Somebody]

i dont see anything wrong with privatization

i think we should basically get rid of the public school system and replace it with charter schools and vouchers

the price of failure is death imo

Whats the solution for the vaccum of stupidity in those areas after the schools close?

 

[theworldismine13]

Whats the solution for the vaccum of stupidity in those areas after the schools close?

I think this is a very serious misunderstanding about what's going, a lot of closed schools get turned into smaller charter schools and/or students will go to other schools

I have no idea why you and others think there will be no place to go to school at, there is no vacuum, it's just a reorganization to make things more efficient

 

[theworldismine13]

nobody is crying over schools that are failing

they are crying over schools set up to fail in the first place

they still in 2013 receive only 1/3 of the funding predominantly white school districts receive.

they get the teachers that are below standard and that the other schools would never hire

the prerequisites are not that of higher learning but more concerned with making sure children past standardized test so that teachers can get paid.

and by closing schools you are taking some children accustomed to their neighborhood shoving them in other neighborhoods where likely the clicks will be different insuring more violence.

on top of that, you are piling more children into classrooms clearly overcrowding them and leaving teachers unable to properly educate because of the overwhelming number of children they will have to handle

and instead of doing the right thing and opening the budget so these children can be funded the exact same way the predominantly white school districts are and making the education more than just passing the up coming standardized test, giving these children a chance at succeeding, they rather take the easy way out and just close the schools and treat the children like they are too stupid to get to national level, when you giving the children a bad base to start from, off jump.

its the equivalent of what goes on in the hood, where the federal government turn a blind eye to overwhelming number of drugs, guns and liquor stores in the hood, which is clearly a recipe of failure but then want to point the fingers at the people who commit the crimes as if they were not set up to fail in the first place.

money has nothing to do with it, what's happening is that these neighborhoods are losing students as people move to better places, or go to better charter schools, so the schools in the hood get stuck with fewer students and huge buildings, so no matter what schools have to be shut down just from the demographic shift

As far as budgets, that isn't really the problem, the problem is the culture of the parents, the students and the administrators

Closing these schools should be seen as a second chance for parents, students and administrators to get their shyt together and improve

 

[thekingsmen]

money has nothing to do with it, what's happening is that these neighborhoods are losing students as people move to better places, or go to better charter schools, so the schools in the hood get stuck with fewer students and huge buildings, so no matter what schools have to be shut down just from the demographic shift

I don't where you got that info but that isn't true. It's called Gentrification. Nothing else.




As far as budgets, that isn't really the problem, the problem is the culture of the parents, the students and the administrators.

Culture starts with the society who has created a cesspool of not caring about African Americans in Inner Cities other than to push them aside.





Closing these schools should be seen as a second chance for parents, students and administrators to get their shyt together and improve.

Get shyt together how? Improve how?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I mean, the schools are terrible. You guys say "private schools arent accountable to anyone"... who are these public schools accountable to?

 

[cornercommission2k12]

money has nothing to do with it, what's happening is that these neighborhoods are losing students as people move to better places, or go to better charter schools, so the schools in the hood get stuck with fewer students and huge buildings, so no matter what schools have to be shut down just from the demographic shift

As far as budgets, that isn't really the problem, the problem is the culture of the parents, the students and the administrators

Closing these schools should be seen as a second chance for parents, students and administrators to get their shyt together and improve

you acting like the funding was equal 25 years ago or something lol

the funding point was only to point out how these schools are set up to fail in the first place. even with the movement from one neighborhood to the next the chicago public school system number of children still triple any other district in the state, yet they receive less the funding. that is fact. making excuses for it is ridiculous.

but of course it takes more than the money, which you all keep circumventing. the curriculum needs to change, the teachers need to be re evaluated, the after school programs need to be revitalized.

but they are about to over crowd class rooms, shove children into click wars, rename the schools charter and go about they business.

i know plenty of teachers and faculty at other schools that are supposed to be charter, listen to they stories, its not really a difference.

 

[theworldismine13]

you acting like the funding was equal 25 years ago or something lol

the funding point was only to point out how these schools are set up to fail in the first place. even with the movement from one neighborhood to the next the chicago public school system number of children still triple any other district in the state, yet they receive less the funding. that is fact. making excuses for it is ridiculous.

but of course it takes more than the money, which you all keep circumventing. the curriculum needs to change, the teachers need to be re evaluated, the after school programs need to be revitalized.

but they are about to over crowd class rooms, shove children into click wars, rename the schools charter and go about they business.

i know plenty of teachers and faculty at other schools that are supposed to be charter, listen to they stories, its not really a difference.

schools are funded by property taxes, so until that system changes there is nothing to be done on that end, and until that time money has to be used as efficiently as possible

but like i said, closing the schools and opening up charters schools is a reset button that lets everybody start over and do things better

the only damage of closing these schools is emotional, which i understand but i fail to see how this is damaging in the long run, over the long run its a good thing, the school system cannot afford all those buildings

 

[theworldismine13]

I don't where you got that info but that isn't true. It's called Gentrification. Nothing else.

i got that info from the story itself, the school board says it has way fewer students and too many buildings

Culture starts with the society who has created a cesspool of not caring about African Americans in Inner Cities other than to push them aside.

culture starts at home, i dont really care of america doesnt care about us, the most important is that we care about ourselves and that we develop an academic culture within our neighborhoods

Get shyt together how? Improve how?

i already said how, we need charter schools and voucher schools to get rid of the old bureaucracy

and also black parents have to start being more involved, and doing things like reading with their children and doing homework with them, and everybody in the community including artists, business people and athletes have to work toward creating an academic cutlure

 

[thekingsmen]

i got that info from the story itself, the school board says it has way fewer students and too many buildings

Have you seen the film "Waiting for Superman"? That movie points out alot...especially the b.s. the school board is feeding the public.



culture starts at home, i dont really care of america doesnt care about us, the most important is that we care about ourselves and that we develop an academic culture within our neighborhoods

That's nice and all and respectable enough to understand but what society do you live in? What currency do you pay with? What health care system do you have? Think about that for a second.



i already said how, we need charter schools and voucher schools to get rid of the old bureaucracy

No it doesn't.It brings in old bureaucracy into a new system.


and also black parents have to start being more involved, and doing things like reading with their children and doing homework with them, and everybody in the community including artists, business people and athletes have to work toward creating an academic cutlure

Again this has been addressed before and I understand what you are saying here and I agree but you aren't allowed to have it. The system is set for you for self destruction and lead the children in the wrong direction. All walks of society is set that way in different frequencies...all communities need to come together to stop what is to come.

 

[Schmoove]

If you privatize the system, banksters can make more $$ on financial aid.

Just like in college.

This country is about to implode from the inside out. fukk these rich cocks!