I think I might go see this tomorrow or friday.
12 Years a Slave Sweeps NY Film critics circle awards. Mcqueen gets heckled by furious NY cacs/c00ns
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It's based on a graphic novel and features a predominantly white cast.
There are plenty of historical action films that feature white casts and mostly white people go see them.
But the black community is so indoctrinated with rom-coms and stereotypes, it would be a hard sell. If a film like that came out around the same time as a Tyler Perry film, I'd be willing to bet more black people would go see the TP film.
And white people would likely be reluctant to see a film with no white faces. I'd love to see it, but you also gotta be realistic.
And what are you basing this on when the consumer has never had the choice to begin with?
you need to change your name breh you ain't living up to it
You're taking this "take X out of Y and it's like Z" to movies too?? 
FrederickDouglas
All Star
Look at the facts. See things for what they are. You've got to accept that before you can make things the way you'd like them to be. What steps are you taking to change things?
I'm a writer. Years ago I wrote part of a script that was basically an African Apocalypto/Braveheart type film. I'd love to see something like that.
But Hollywood, especially in this day and age, is not investing a lot of money in movies that are not remakes, adaptations, and sequels. My script would require a larger budget. Producers are aware of the demographics that patronize specific types of film and historical action films are seen primarily by whites. That is why we will not see a big budget all black historical action film. The risk is too high.
What companies did you talk too?
Also what you say is true, but there is always an exception. They said a black man couldn't be a QB marketable star, Will Smith makes more than Tim Cruise
you have to prove them wrong, giving up it will never happen.
Also what was your logline and how did you pitch it?
If Nick Cannon, no disrespect, a safe negro who's been in entertainment is entire life sees the need for this, I mean damn what else is there to say
With the budget of 12 years a slave you telling McQueen couldn't have made an adaptation of the Black Count, or countless other books, give me a fukking break.
Will Smith wrote and produced After Earth, yes it was shytty, because he had a shytty director, and he came up with a shytty story
but if had talented brehs giving him the material he can make it happen.
Will Smith made more money on After Earth than Tom Cruise did on Oblivion, he's the bigger movie star
star power is important, and that is something black people have.
Will Smith, Denzel, Idris Elbra, all in the same movie would do numbers
TheGodling
Los Ingobernables de Sala de Cine
McQueen owed that budget largely to Brad Pitt, who himself admitted his role in the production was using his name to get it financed. That's the main reason for his five minute role, so they could say "Starring Brad Pitt" and attract more investors. That's how messed up the game is.
Poppa_Dock
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The shots where he tried to jack Spielberg with showing somebody in silence were basically the only bad thing about the movie. Makes it look like an editing mistake or something.
That's what you don't understand and what I've discovered from actively pursuing getting a film funded
there is no film business, there is no company that you just go to and they fund films, all films are funded by private investors
I have a just got with a private equity firm, they will fund any film I bring them as long as I have LOI's and 30 percent of the budget
These jews and crackers think I'm some kind of genius, because their morons, I come from a business background self taught dealing with banks securing lines of credit, I know how to get funding. You're assuming all these hollywood people are competent and know about finance, when they are really just learning, and have to really on the small networks of people they know, when I have a whole world of to explore for options to fund whatever, be it real estate, inventions or whatever. You just have to know what you are doing, there's no boogey man you just have to use your damn mind and have some balls.
What did Jay say the Martha Stewart that's far from jewish, far from a harvard stewart just had the balls to do it
Anything else is just excuses
Malik
Superstar
300 made half a billion dollars world wide. You mean to tell me if instead of the Spartans, it was about the Zulu warriors the movie would be garbage?
The only reason movies featuring blacks due so poorly is because of the inherent racism and bias in this country.
People love typing that bullsh*t when movie studios have never actually committed to testing out that theory. Troy made $497 million. You mean to tell me if it was about an Ancient Egyptian war instead, nobody would go see it? That's bullsh*t. You throw Will Smith on that muthafukka and that's $400-$600 million easily. He's good enough to do blockbusters like I Am Legend and Hancock but, when it comes to doing movies about Ancient African civilizations, all of sudden, they can't sell it
Now. With all this said...I think I was on the wrong side of this debate. I liked the movie and I think it was well written and shot beautifully. The movie told a story that needed to be told etc etc...
BUT. I will never defend this movie again. The writer and director are both weirdos and the writer specifically is a full blown c00n. I don't trust the motives behind making this film so I cant defend it in good faith...
The Director:
The Writer:
http://www.esquire.com/features/essay/ESQ1206BLACKESSAY_108
@mastermind You seen this?!?
Now. With all this said...I think I was on the wrong side of this debate. I liked the movie and I think it was well written and shot beautifully. The movie told a story that needed to be told etc etc...
BUT. I will never defend this movie again. The writer and director are both weirdos and the writer specifically is a full blown c00n. I don't trust the motives behind making this film so I cant defend it in good faith...
The Director:
The Writer:
http://www.esquire.com/features/essay/ESQ1206BLACKESSAY_108
@mastermind You seen this?!?
You don't have to appreciate the artist to appreciate the art. I don't think Nas is a particularly deep thinker or intelligent contributor to public debates, but I think Illmatic is a classic album. Chuck Berry is a horrible person, but he pioneered Rock and Roll. Bad people can make good art.
Not dissing the movie itself. Like I said it was well made and I enjoyed it at the time. But honestly if I wouldve read that Esquire article beforehand I wouldve never seen it. If this movie was that guys vision then I can't trust it.
Chuck Berry spying on women and chaining them up is separate from his music. But the opinions in this article and the subject of slavery are so closely tied that I can't separate the two...
Now. With all this said...I think I was on the wrong side of this debate. I liked the movie and I think it was well written and shot beautifully. The movie told a story that needed to be told etc etc...
BUT. I will never defend this movie again. The writer and director are both weirdos and the writer specifically is a full blown c00n. I don't trust the motives behind making this film so I cant defend it in good faith...
The Director:
The Writer:
http://www.esquire.com/features/essay/ESQ1206BLACKESSAY_108
@mastermind You seen this?!?
That's the most c00ntastic shyt I've ever read
I wouldn't call this movie an artistic triumph. It lives and dies on its message, therefore the creators intentions are very valid to the conversation.