11/23 PBC on FOX PPV | Wilder vs Ortiz II

[mr. smoke weed]

Ortiz beats Joshua and would be a great chess match for Fury. The agenda be clear as fukk for pbc fighters with a hint of


Ortiz touches nikkas w the left and they go night night he was boxing great all night until he got caught.

Dudes trying to downplay him to downplay Wilder's win.

It's not even remotely subtle. Before he fought Stiverne like 5yrs ago I said Wilder was trash. He is good now, and it kills people to admit it.

Ortiz gives fits to AJ, Ruiz and a tough scrap to Fury. Wilder may not be the most technically sound, but he always manages to land the right hand.

Also, the way to beat Fury is with left hooks.

 

[Tflasha]

No he’s not, you do realise he’s fought and beat heavyweights in the amateurs don’t you? Also several fighters that have been heavyweights or moved up. Usyk is a way better boxer than Ortiz, he’s far more accomplished, where do you people get the idea Ortiz is some kind of elite fighter? Purely the propaganda? Usyk has done remarkable things at amateur and pro.

This video is very relevant how people have been brainwashed into hyping up Ortiz when he doesn’t even have elite wins as a pro, he’s a technically good yet unproven fighter at elite level. Wilder is his best opponent by far and got knocked out twice.

bro... You bringing up amateurs, usyk lost to Shawn porter in the amateurs, not to mention struggling against a nikka fresh of his couch, you cant see the "real reason" why he was "hurt" and had to pull out of his debut against takam? he's not ready for a wilder, ruiz, ortiz, or dubois that olympic style boxing will only suit him against AJ, And even then he getting his clock cleaned

 

[The Ruler 09]

bro... You bringing up amateurs, usyk lost to Shawn porter in the amateurs, not to mention struggling against a nikka fresh of his couch, you cant see the "real reason" why he was "hurt" and had to pull out of his debut against takam? he's not ready for a wilder, ruiz, ortiz, or dubois that olympic style boxing will only suit him against AJ, And even then he getting his clock cleaned

Shawn Porter is a great fighter to me. Amateur is different than professional, I was just saying Usyk was a highly accomplished amateur. Gold medalist and he did beat some good heavyweights too, Joe Joyce for example who was a silver medalist and many argued he should have won gold. Usyk was an exceptional amateur, won gold at European and World Championship level and then the Olympic Gold too. Doesn't mean he's unbeatable, he's lost before, but he was elite level and highly accomplished and successful.

I think he was hurt, I don't see why he'd take the fight vs Takam in the fight place if he was afraid of him. Also his next fight at heavyweight is probably gonna be against someone much better than Takam so don't see how how he could be afraid.

I'm not saying Usyk will beat the names you mentioned, apart from Ortiz and Ruiz who I think he would beat, particularly Ortiz, that would be comfortable. The other big men we don't know, he could well lose to them, he knows himself the tough fights for him are against the bigger heavyweights, he should beat most at a similar size.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Who is elite and who has these elite wins, to me only Fury has one.

Out of heavyweight boxers? A lot have better wins that Ortiz.

AJ has Parker, Povetkin, Whyte, Wlad, Martin, Breazeale, Takam, he's beaten legit world champions in much less fights. I know it's popular to hate on AJ at the moment but that is a remarkable record at just 23 fights, he really went and fought other high quality fighters. Was unified champion for a reason. Parker, Povetkin, Wlad and Whyte are all tremendous wins, Wlad, Parker world champions, Povetkin was a gold medalist who had only lost once at the time to Wlad, and Whyte is the current WBC number 1. Takam isn't a slouch either.

Fury has Wlad and Chisora on his record and should have Widler. But I don't think he has a great record either, he's another 1 who needs to improve his record, he should never have ducked the Wlad rematch.

Whyte has Parker, Rivas, Chisora and Helenius on his record, Parker was a former world champion and Rivas was undefeated and very good. Considering he's had much less fights he has a better record than Ortiz, if he'd just beaten Parker alone he'd have a better name on his record than Ortiz, remember Parker beat Ruiz so he's not a slouch. Not to mention Rivas beat Jennings who's Ortiz's best win by far.

Ruiz beat Joshua which is a better name than anybody on Ortiz's record.

Wilder beat Ortiz so obviously he places above Ortiz too. Even though Wilder doesn't have a great record he still beat a few average/good fighters such as Brezeale, certainly better than Ortiz record.

Usyk beat everyone at Cruiserweight, he also has wins over a number of fighters that are heavyweight now such as Hunter, and Hunter I think is a very good fighter, that's a good win. Beat Joe Joyce previously in amateurs too. Bellew was heavyweight and beat Haye and Usyk knocked him out, Beat Gassiev too.

Povetkin beat Charr, Price, Hughie Fury, Takam, Rahman, Byrd, certainly a better record than Ortiz by far.

Parker beat Takam, Andy Ruiz Jr and Hughie Fury so better resume than Ortiz too.

Chisora beat Price, Takam and had fought more consistently at a higher level in competitive fights.

I could go on a lot, but a lot of people have better records than Ortiz and have more consistently fought better opposition.

 

[Loose]

snip.

I honestly can't think of one elite fighter ortiz has beat in the pros. Most of his prestige comes from his time in the amateursm

 

[patscorpio]

after BY...there's tony thompson as ortiz next best win..a win i was there for live ..and prolly malik scott

he also ended monte barrett's career too if that counts..the win over kayode would have been up there if he didnt fail the drug test

 

[The Ruler 09]

I honestly can't think of one elite fighter ortiz has beat in the pros. Most of his prestige comes from his time in the amateursm

There isn’t 1, even as an amateur it’s not like he was ruling at the highest level. It’s a shame cause would have been fun to see him in against better competition more regularly. Maybe now he’s lost again he will feel like he has nothing to lose and fight some better names. There’s some good fights around for him but historically he hasn’t taken a lot of them, hopefully that changes going forward.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Shawn Porter is a great fighter to me. Amateur is different than professional, I was just saying Usyk was a highly accomplished amateur. Gold medalist and he did beat some good heavyweights too, Joe Joyce for example who was a silver medalist and many argued he should have won gold. Usyk was an exceptional amateur, won gold at European and World Championship level and then the Olympic Gold too. Doesn't mean he's unbeatable, he's lost before, but he was elite level and highly accomplished and successful.

I think he was hurt, I don't see why he'd take the fight vs Takam in the fight place if he was afraid of him. Also his next fight at heavyweight is probably gonna be against someone much better than Takam so don't see how how he could be afraid.

I'm not saying Usyk will beat the names you mentioned, apart from Ortiz and Ruiz who I think he would beat, particularly Ortiz, that would be comfortable. The other big men we don't know, he could well lose to them, he knows himself the tough fights for him are against the bigger heavyweights, he should beat most at a similar size.

Ortiz aint little lol.

 

[MasterOfAllHeSurveyz]

I got a G on Ortiz vs any of the fighters above listed.

 

[Loose]

I got a G on Ortiz vs any of the fighters above listed.

I'd like to see your ticket when it happens

 

[MasterOfAllHeSurveyz]

I'd like to see your ticket when it happens

Ticket? I want to bet one of y'all straight up.

shyt, I already posted one of my winnings in this thread and got called a n*gger monkey by the loser for it.

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[The Ruler 09]

Ortiz aint little lol.

True, he's not small but he's not the size of the big 3 height wise, there's some very big heavyweights now in Fury, Wilder and AJ. Think Ortiz is around 6'3 or 4, think Usyk around 6'3, I think their reach is the same, so it takes away a bit of advantage.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Is it true this did 138 thousand PPV buys? If so that’s extremely low.

 

[Rain]

Is it true this did 138 thousand PPV buys? If so that’s extremely low.

Breh just wait until something official comes out. It's probably low but you keep coming here asking us if these rumors are true like we know any better than you.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Breh just wait until something official comes out. It's probably low but you keep coming here asking us if these rumors are true like we know any better than you.

Was just seeing if anywhere else was saying the same.

Rick Glaser
19 hrs ·
Oh my, now we know why PBC and Fox didn't release the Wilder-Ortiz Rematch PPV number, wow, even way lower than I expected, a financial bloodbath for Fox and PBC, just 138,000 PPV buys, !!! How bad was that, Crawford-Khan, with zero advertising did more buys!!! And Fox really advertised Wilder-Ortiz heavily, it goes to show you, the PPV model is broken unless it's an absolutely demand fight, and further demonstrates Deontay Wilder can't draw!!! If a fighter only draws hardcores, and not the general sporting public, he's not a PPV attraction, it's that simple. It further illustrates what I've been saying for two years, the Apps are the present and future of boxing programming, period. This number was way below what I originally predicted, when the fight was first announced I said 220,000 PPV buys, but Fight Week I saw it was DOA, Dead On Arrival, and was estimating 180,000. This is a real quandary for the Wilder-Fury Rematch scheduled for February 22, even though Wilder-Fury will have real demand. All your comments are welcomed relating to all of the above.