10 Wins aint what it used to be: Official 2016 New York Jets Offseason thread

[Trip]

I'm not lying. What do you think hey first two seasons Fitz would have done in New York in 2013 and 2014? Unlike you, I wouldn't hold his poor numbers against him for the same reason why I'm not holding it against Gino. Those factors are those factors. Folks like you GH factors based on who you like or don't like. You display that all the time on this board in various sports. You only show context based on how you like a person,not onon general lay of the land settings and how a team and and front office is constructed.

Can we talk about this year? What do either of their career paths matter at this point? You disagree with the Jets about the starting QB for this year. How they both got to this point is irrelevant. There isn't a league charter that guarantees players stuff. Quit acting like Geno's on a scholarship.

I'm not holding Geno's poor numbers against him. I just happen to agree with the Jets that Fitzpatricks the better QB right now.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Can we talk about this year? What do either of their career paths matter at this point? You disagree with the Jets about the starting QB for this year. How they both got to this point is irrelevant. There isn't a league charter that guarantees players stuff. Quit acting like Geno's on a scholarship.

I'm not holding Geno's poor numbers against him. I just happen to agree with the Jets that Fitzpatricks the better QB right now.

No.

I don't Think he's a better quarterback now . I honestly think this is a woody move and is slowing down this team from moving forward

 

[Trip]

No.

I don't Think he's a better quarterback now . I honestly think this is a woody move and is slowing down this team from moving forward

Fair enough.

 

[yseJ]

if you spent 10 seasons to put up similar per game numbers as a guy did in two years, that's a worse perfornance IMO.

even before last year fitz career numbers are vastly better than genos, I dont understand how you can call them same.
in fact, fukk it even if we compare fitz start to career, its still superior to geno's, in a time when the league was less pass happy than it is now

geno has more 8 more picks than tds in 29 starts. come on breh. the numbers dont echo your sentiment.

 

[NYC Rebel]

even before last year fitz career numbers are vastly better than genos, I dont understand how you can call them same.
in fact, fukk it even if we compare fitz start to career, its still superior to geno's, in a time when the league was less pass happy than it is now

geno has more 8 more picks than tds in 29 starts. come on breh. the numbers dont echo your sentiment.

These numbers are not vastly different. Geno actually climbed to these numbers his second year while it took Fitz 10 years to play at this level.

 

[yseJ]

better completion rate, more yards per, more tds per, less picks, better td/int rate...what am I missing ?

also can you sort per start ? non-starting games are nearly irrelevant for qbs. most of them are mop-ups or handoffs during blowouts

 

[NYC Rebel]

better completion rate, more yards per, more tds per, less picks, better td/int rate...what am I missing ?

also can you sort per start ? non-starting games are nearly irrelevant for qbs. most of them are mop-ups or handoffs during blowouts

Are we really looking at a 0.3 more tds and 0.1 less ints as prolific and huge gap?

8 years head start the splits are that little? Man please

 

[Surreal]

I need Geno outta New York asap. The Jets are a morbid franchise

 

[yseJ]

Are we really looking at a 0.3 more tds and 0.1 less ints as prolific and huge gap?

8 years head start the splits are that little? Man please

who said its prolific ? its much better though in all categories

also, you do realize that the difference between their TD/int ratios is over 60% ? its the same as difference between throwing 20 tds and 32 tds vs same number of picks

and like Ive said, itd be nice to see the stats when both were starting

we arent gonna convince each other, but lets separate numbers and circumstances. Im willing to cut Geno some slack due to circumstances. but numbers-wise, no, not really. there is zero evidence to suggest Geno is anything good, from numbers. numbers-wise, fitz has always had better ones.

 

[NYC Rebel]

who said its prolific ? its much better though in all categories

also, you do realize that the difference between their TD/int ratios is over 60% ? its the same as difference between throwing 20 tds and 32 tds vs same number of picks

and like Ive said, itd be nice to see the stats when both were starting

we arent gonna convince each other, but lets separate numbers and circumstances. Im willing to cut Geno some slack due to circumstances. but numbers-wise, no, not really. there is zero evidence to suggest Geno is anything good, from numbers. numbers-wise, fitz has always had better ones.

It's not "much" better.

I don't see the much you're obvious latching onto to keep hold of your initial belief.

It doesn't helps that Geno never got to play in a quick strike offenses Fitz had. Much of Fitz 60% is the Alex Smith safe brand seeing that he doesn't have much in the air passes.

I never said about Geno being good. You did. I said we don't know because he never had a real opportunity to prove it

 

[yseJ]

It's not "much" better.

I don't see the much you're obvious latching onto to keep hold of your initial belief.

It doesn't helps that Geno never got to play in a quick strike offenses Fitz had. Much of Fitz 60% is the Alex Smith safe brand seeing that he doesn't have much in the air passes.

I never said about Geno being good. You did. I said we don't know because he never had a real opportunity to prove it

you know I dont believe in the whole pass distance stuff, so I dont really care about that safe pass is a good pass to me.

ok, you dont see the 'much' part, fair enough. I do, but Im willing to concede that. but how can you look at those numbers and say genos are better ?

this is your quote:
"He had 13 tds and 13 ints his last season, a definite improvement to Firz pre jets levels."

where is this definite improvement ? where is it ? numbers-wise

 

[RubioTheCruel]

I got the team at 6-10(Wins vs BAL, AT CLE, VS LA, VS NE, AT SF and sweeping the Fins). I really think they're gonna start the season 0-6.

 

[Trip]

Any news out of camp? Been out of pocket most of the weekend

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

Any news out of camp? Been out of pocket most of the weekend

Nah not really.

No injuries.

Jailin marshall has apparently looked impressive.

Looks like Mauldin, Darron Lee and Jenkins will all be starting LB this year

 

[Trip]

Nah not really.

No injuries.

Jailin marshall has apparently looked impressive.

Looks like Mauldin, Darron Lee and Jenkins will all be starting LB this year

Maccagnan finally got us young at LB