10 Wins aint what it used to be: Official 2016 New York Jets Offseason thread

[NYC Rebel]

how is 13 tds and 13 ints a definite improvement when fitz had 5 years better than that before the jets ?

NFL in general is a what have you done for me lately league either way. if a bum has a career year last year, he will get opportunities. jets were right to refuse to give fitz big money or lots of years. I dont think theyre wrong giving a guy who posted a 31/15 12m and a stopgap deal. alex smith got a similar deal before kaep took over for us.

if fitz struggles, I expect geno to get some burn.

seriously, the deal isnt anything to cry about imo. its not a huge contract. your cap doesn't look too amazing, Ill give you that, but looks like it's manageable. its essentially a one year deal with no strings attached

geno really isnt some high level prospect or anything. his relatively high pick position was mostly because of a weak qb class and there isnt really anything more to him for you to put your faith in him
I do agree that he mightve not had the opportunities, but such is the life of a player, especially a qb in the nfl. you cant always get opportunities as a starter in the league.

just my 2 cents here

Firz took 6 seasons to finally get to The point of having less interceptions than touchdowns....more seasons them Geno has played. So I don't get your point about being better when the only thing Fitz has on him are years.

 

[Trip]

Firz took 6 seasons to finally get to The point of having less interceptions than touchdowns....more seasons them Geno has played. So I don't get your point about being better when the only thing Fitz has on him are years.

He didn't play his first 3 years.

 

[yseJ]

Firz took 6 seasons to finally get to The point of having less interceptions than touchdowns....more seasons them Geno has played. So I don't get your point about being better when the only thing Fitz has on him are years.

jets werent choosing between fitz then and geno now tho. they are choosing between fitz now and geno now, to play now

 

[Marlostanfield.]

how is 13 tds and 13 ints a definite improvement when fitz had 5 years better than that before the jets ?

NFL in general is a what have you done for me lately league either way. if a bum has a career year last year, he will get opportunities. jets were right to refuse to give fitz big money or lots of years. I dont think theyre wrong giving a guy who posted a 31/15 12m and a stopgap deal. alex smith got a similar deal before kaep took over for us.

if fitz struggles, I expect geno to get some burn.

seriously, the deal isnt anything to cry about imo. its not a huge contract. your cap doesn't look too amazing, Ill give you that, but looks like it's manageable. its essentially a one year deal with no strings attached

geno really isnt some high level prospect or anything. his relatively high pick position was mostly because of a weak qb class and there isnt really anything more to him for you to put your faith in him
I do agree that he mightve not had the opportunities, but such is the life of a player, especially a qb in the nfl. you cant always get opportunities as a starter in the league.

just my 2 cents here

From what I know about you, you don't mind having game managers as quarterback so you don't find too much fault starting a quarterback who cant throw pass 20 yards(Fitz). You're big on defense, you're an old school kind of guy but our defense is not good enough to win 'n playoffs with Fitz if we even get there. We know what Fitz is and you won't win nothing. Give Geno a chance with good coaching and weapons

 

[NYC Rebel]

jets werent choosing between fitz then and geno now tho. they are choosing between fitz now and geno now, to play now

Glad you moved on from our discussion.

He didn't play his first 3 years.

Like Geno shouldn't have played in his first. Had Fitz been thrown in there straight out of Harvard, the small gap between he and Geno's pre Jets numbers would have been worse. But I'm certain the selective nature of jets fans would find a way to overlook it.

 

[Trip]

Glad you moved on from our discussion.

Like Geno shouldn't have played in his first. Had Fitz been thrown in there straight out of Harvard, the small gap between he and Geno's pre Jets numbers would have been worse. But I'm certain the selective nature of jets fans would find a way to overlook it.

This is completely irrelevant to 2016.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

He didn't play his first 3 years.

IF he didn't play his first 3 years then why does he have registered starts in his first 3 years?

 

[yseJ]

Glad you moved on from our discussion.

what exactly does that mean ?

Ive never compared fitz then vs geno now, youre the one who brought it up

I just pointed out that over 5 years before the jets, fitz was better- because you said otherwise

if fitz 'pre jets' was his first 5 years, youd have a point

 

[NYC Rebel]

This is completely irrelevant to 2016.

It was never relevant to you in be first place because you were too busy saying it was wrong to feel that way based on "who you like."

I wouldn't hold it against a young Fitz if he played like shyt for the 2013/14 Jets for the same reason I don't hold it against Geno. But you were saying geno should have succeeded from day 1, NOW acting as if the context you give to Fitz, you passed on to Geno.

Selective

 

[NYC Rebel]

what exactly does that mean ?

Ive never compared fitz then vs geno now

It means that you didn't attempt to discredit my previous point about the only difference between them is years

 

[Trip]

IF he didn't play his first 3 years then why does he have registered starts in his first 3 years?

 

[Trip]

It was never relevant to you in be first place because you were too busy saying it was wrong to feel that way based on "who you like."

I wouldn't hold it against a young Fitz if he played like shyt for the 2013/14 Jets for the same reason I don't hold it against Geno. But you were saying geno should have succeeded from day 1, NOW acting as if the context you give to Fitz, you passed on to Geno.

Selective

how many strawmans are you going to go with here?

 

[yseJ]

It means that you didn't attempt to discredit my previous point about the only difference between them is years

I dont really get what you're saying. you said that fitz pre jets was worse than geno with the jets, a notion I disagreed with.

I dont understand how the whole years things play into this. I get it that geno is young and has some potential whereas you know fitz ceiling and it took him a while to get to good. doesnt really have anything to do with my argument, which was jets choosing a relatively cheap stopgap for one year simply because they don't trust geno. and I dont blame em. now if they have given fitz a multi year contract giving him 15m+ then yeah, Id be the first one condemning the contract.

 

[NYC Rebel]

how many strawmans are you going to go with here?

I'm not lying. What do you think a first two seasons Fitz would have done in New York in 2013 and 2014? Unlike you, I wouldn't hold his poor numbers against him for the same reason why I'm not holding it against Geno. Those factors (what you NOW are irrelevant) are those factors. Folks like you see factors as valid based on who you like or don't like. You display that all the time on this board in various sports. You only show context based on how you like a person, not on general lay of the land settings on how a team and front office is constructed.

 

[NYC Rebel]

I dont really get what you're saying. you said that fitz pre jets was worse than geno with the jets, a notion I disagreed with.

I dont understand how the whole years things play into this. I get it that geno is young and has some potential whereas you know fitz ceiling and it took him a while to get to good. doesnt really have anything to do with my argument, which was jets choosing a relatively cheap stopgap for one year simply because they don't trust geno. and I dont blame em. now if they have given fitz a multi year contract giving him 15m+ then yeah, Id be the first one condemning the contract.

if you spent 10 seasons to put up similar per game numbers as a guy did in two years, that's a worse perfornance IMO.