10/23 ESPN: Jamel Herring vs Shakur Stevenson (WBO Super Featherweight Title)

[Mr. Leonidas]

thats just too general a statement for something like that and for particularly people aren't or weren't sold on shakur before this fight...we all watched shakur's last fight...yes it was a very dominating performance defensively but for the type of opponent it was AND for the skill level perceived that wasn't it..clearly obviously you know that..we had the same criticism...it was good shakur was able to turn it around quickly and learned from his mistakes

but inconsistency works both ways...with the mention of "anti intellectualism" in that case there should have been more fans giving wilder the business for fighting the way he does and eventually getting knocked around by fury rather than ppl going wilder has a one hitter quitter

Yea I feel it's alot of the posters on here who make these fights about race. Its a narrative pushed quite literally on this site. Floyd wasn't hated on cuz he was black. He was hated on cuz he avoided fighters in their prime, cherrypicked and offered little excitement in his fights once he hit 147. The boxing community wants fighters who have physical gifts and advantages to use them in an entertaining way to get their opponent out of here. See the great RJJ. Everybody loved him because he wasnt content just coasting to a 12 round decision against an unmatched opponent- he'd try to get you out of there if it was clear you didn't belong in the ring with him. However Floyd was always content to coast to wide UDs against guys like Tata Baldomir, Berto, Guerrero etc instead of using his superior hand, foot speed to get them out of there. It inherently comes down to risk for Floyd and even when the risk factor was at its smallest he was still scared to up the tempo. Juxtapose that with Loma and you see him using his advantages and gifts to be more offensive then he has to be. Shakur received criticism from Bradley for the same reason- you're clearly superior to your opponent but not fighting like it. The great Lennox Lewis always said we don't get paid for overtime and fought that way. However yesterday Shakur turned a corner in that he listened to the criticism, took more risks and used his gifts to deliver an exciting performance.

Wilder was always trash, basura and poubelle. Literally the heavyweight version of Andre Berto but his handlers knew well enough to keep him away from the type of Victor Ortiz opponent for as long as they could to continue to milk the sport for all the money they could get from him.

 

[Loose]

That boy want tank

 

[desjardins]

Because he’s black

….and he’s on TR
Get the feeling people would been way more patient on dude being “boring” if he was somewhere else
People were going out their way to hate on this event from the moment it was announced . From the location, to hating on herring, calling Stevenson boring etc.
Turned out to be a good coming out moment for Stevenson instead. Got a career bag, Shut all the haters up and probably gained a ton of new fans in the Atlanta/south region.

 

[Rev]

So what’s the deal with the 2 vacant belts at 130?

For Top Rank’s sake (and being realistic with matchmaking), would be cool to see Shakur and Valdez grab those 2 belts and meet for an undisputed match in the next 12 months…if possible/feasible.

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

….and he’s on TR
Get the feeling people would been way more patient on dude being “boring” if he was somewhere else
People were going out their way to hate on this event from the moment it was announced . From the location, to hating on herring, calling Stevenson boring etc.
Turned out to be a good coming out moment for Stevenson instead. Got a career bag, Shut all the haters up and probably gained a ton of new fans in the Atlanta/south region.

I get the hate on his second to last fight but there's literally no hate that can be thrown on last night's performance. He excited and dominated an inferior opponent to force a stoppage. That's what we want not only him but all fighters to do.

 

[threattonature]

Yea I feel it's alot of the posters on here who make these fights about race. Its a narrative pushed quite literally on this site. Floyd wasn't hated on cuz he was black. He was hated on cuz he avoided fighters in their prime, cherrypicked and offered little excitement in his fights once he hit 147. The boxing community wants fighters who have physical gifts and advantages to use them in an entertaining way to get their opponent out of here. See the great RJJ. Everybody loved him because he wasnt content just coasting to a 12 round decision against an unmatched opponent- he'd try to get you out of there if it was clear you didn't belong in the ring with him. However Floyd was always content to coast to wide UDs against guys like Tata Baldomir, Berto, Guerrero etc instead of using his superior hand, foot speed to get them out of there. It inherently comes down to risk for Floyd and even when the risk factor was at its smallest he was still scared to up the tempo. Juxtapose that with Loma and you see him using his advantages and gifts to be more offensive then he has to be. Shakur received criticism from Bradley for the same reason- you're clearly superior to your opponent but not fighting like it. The great Lennox Lewis always said we don't get paid for overtime and fought that way. However yesterday Shakur turned a corner in that he listened to the criticism, took more risks and used his gifts to deliver an exciting performance.

Wilder was always trash, basura and poubelle. Literally the heavyweight version of Andre Berto but his handlers knew well enough to keep him away from the type of Victor Ortiz opponent for as long as they could to continue to milk the sport for all the money they could get from him.

This is a straight up lie. Hell Roy Jones used to be killed by announcers during his fights for not stepping on the gas once he hit 175. Especially by Manny Steward. He would always say how Roy Jones is possibly the most talented fighter he's seen but he is too risk adverse and too content to stay on the outside and pop shot to avoid getting hit.

 

[patscorpio]

So what’s the deal with the 2 vacant belts at 130?

For Top Rank’s sake (and being realistic with matchmaking), would be cool to see Shakur and Valdez grab those 2 belts and meet for an undisputed match in the next 12 months…if possible/feasible.

IBF - jojo lost his belt on the scales and the fight to fill the vacancy ended up as a draw...the ibf ordered another fight to fulfill it..it should be happening soon

 

[NormanConnors]

If Steveson had any power, this would have been over

He has power, the dangerous kind where cats aren't necessarily getting one punched but do take extreme damage consistently, he punches hard/crisp and will be even stronger at a higher weight

 

[King P]

Ring Gang is live, recapping the Shakur/Herring fight

@patscorpio @LauderdaleBoss @Conscious Pilot

 

[Flawdaboi]

What the hell happened btw Shakur and Herring's ole lady?? She pissed the hell off, didnt even accept his apology backstage lol

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

Herring been mid

He remind me of Maurice Hooker how people forget they average at best and they name pop up and people act like they got a chance.

Im not seeing walk in the park for Shakur with Valdez. Valdez a mean fighter and he ain’t about give up because you outboxing him. That left hook gne be there until the end.

Shakur might be the best pure boxer in the game tho. Bro is nice. Shakur boxing is what people think Haney box like. But Shakur actually got great defense frfr.

 

[Megadeus]

Racism in Boxing is deeply engrained … I get what dude is saying. When it comes to Loma it’s “aw man, the fans need to know how GREAT HE IS. Look at the footwork! Did you see that?! How he controls Toyota Corolla’s lead hand?! Watch that again fans you’re watching a boxing savant who may be greater than that nig… guy Floyd Mayweather who’s probably watching this fight scared to come out of retirement to fight him”

They do the shyt all the time. Young black fighter with skills and boxes smart. “I mean he has the speed advantage, and he’s clearly physically stronger he needs to knock this guy out. Stop all that boxing shyt ! Why is he waiting for this guy?”

They are inconsistent in how the talk about Black fighters. Even when Loma was fighting Teo … “aw man he’s downloading and processing. Loma is sending that information from those punches to the bank. He’s faxing that right hand info to his trainer and he’s going to make the adjustment! We’re 6 rounds in and he’s thrown 10 punches and only gotten hit by 60, but he’s winning this fight with his composure and downloading and processing.”

1000%

Any one who disagrees is clueless, blind or lying to themselves.

Announcers MADE SURE everyone recognized Lomanchenko as a surgical genius defensive wizard, master counterpuncher and angles expert who mentally evaporates his opponents. "Sit back and watch him put on a clinic" "My goodness what skill. Look at how he's breaking his opponent down. The cerebral exhaustion" "He's sapping his opponent of his energy by FORCING him to think of what his next move is".

Any black technical fighter = "Well he has to do something soon or he's gonna lose rounds he can't just stand there looking at him. hes not using his athleticism."

Without fail.. Its like clockwork.

 

[Loose]

Herring been mid

He remind me of Maurice Hooker how people forget they average at best and they name pop up and people act like they got a chance.

Im not seeing walk in the park for Shakur with Valdez. Valdez a mean fighter and he ain’t about give up because you outboxing him. That left hook gne be there until the end.

Shakur might be the best pure boxer in the game tho. Bro is nice. Shakur boxing is what people think Haney box like. But Shakur actually got great defense frfr.

i liked this but i disagree with the bolded, they're both talented. Haney a year and a half younger than shakur, a year and a half ago shakur was putting on pillow fight 12 rounders with Joet whom career probably is in jeopardy after that beating he took last week. These fighters are young and will get better over time. Both of them are special talents.

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

i liked this but i disagree with the bolded, they're both talented. Haney a year and a half younger than shakur, a year and a half ago shakur was putting on pillow fight 12 rounders with Joet whom career probably is in jeopardy after that beating he took last week. These fighters are young and will get better over time. Both of them are special talents.

That wasn’t meant as too much a diss towards Haney to be frfr. Haney defense is just not up to par with what most people tend to think. Both these guys are talented enough to be at the titleholder level so far in their young career.

But I think Shakur basically 12-0 Joet is letting u know he is at the top level. I’m not really a fan of Shakur due to his super risk averse style and lack of pop but I still think Shakur>Haney and that’s mostly due to Shakur having better defense.

 

[Sbp]

Boy Shakur put on a damn clinic