#1 vs #1 - New England Patriots at Seattle Seahawks official thread

[No1]

Notice, Gronk, Herndo Spikes, and this years draft class is missing. And the name Nick Caserio is missing also..

Nothing was missing. I was talking about the secondary.

Brandon Spikes is a good LB he's not a star and he fell to us for a reason. He's very limited in space. Good against the run. How is that your argument? Especially when I mainly got at the secondary.

Gronk was the consensus best TE in the draft but people worried if he would recover from his injury, the same way they worried about Vollmer, but we gambled on both of them. That wasn't an amazing evaluation. It was common sense. Especially when you can get him in the second round.

Hernandez was the TE of the year and only dropped because he smoked weed, again, there was nothing magical about that pick.

How is this year's draft class missing when I said it took him 4 YEARS to rebuild. I think that's including this year's class as it being finally rebuilt.

No one said the offense wasn't rebuilt. But with that said, explain to me again why it has taken him 5 years (and counting) to rebuild the defense?

 

[No1]

The Giants last year, and the Pack the year before, could say the same thing your saying now at this point in the season..

Not remotely true. For one they both had great defenses and it was obvious that they would get it together. Why are you so against honestly evaluating the product that we have and its tendencies?

The Giants had the most difficult schedule in the NFL last year, it was obvious that they were good. They did not have our GLARING deficiencies. I said they were good then.

The Packers had Rogers go down to injury, only to return and lead them to a SB victory. They almost beat us without im. They were in every game defensively. They obviously had all the parts in place. I'm saying we don't have the parts.

 

[aceboon]

Pats stan but BarNone pretty much has it right, this loss played out like pretty much 95% of the teeam's losses over the past few years. They'll likely win the division but you can see how this movie is going to end, we've seen this script before.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Winning what exactly? Pointless regular season games against the wack AFC East? Baltimore win is our only big win in the past 4 years.

You're looking at it from a competitive standpoint, I'm looking at it from the standpoint of whether a team is championship caliber. We're benefitting from a down AFC right now. We would lose in the SB to whoever comes out of the NFC.

Super Bowl or you ain't done shyt is the mantra of a spoiled fan.

Patriot fans are disgusting with that mentality.

 

[Turenne]

 

[Brady-Carter]

Nothing was missing. I was talking about the secondary.

Brandon Spikes is a good LB he's not a star and he fell to us for a reason. He's very limited in space. Good against the run. How is that your argument? Especially when I mainly got at the secondary.

Gronk was the consensus best TE in the draft but people worried if he would recover from his injury, the same way they worried about Vollmer, but we gambled on both of them. That wasn't an amazing evaluation. It was common sense. Especially when you can get him in the second round.

Hernandez was the TE of the year and only dropped because he smoked weed, again, there was nothing magical about that pick.

How is this year's draft class missing when I said it took him 4 YEARS to rebuild. I think that's including this year's class as it being finally rebuilt.

No one said the offense wasn't rebuilt. But with that said, explain to me again why it has taken him 5 years (and counting) to rebuild the defense?

The same reason it took 5 years when Bru Willie, and Ty LAW where drafted. Remember Willie was considered a bust in 95(made the pro bowl in 96, drafted in 93). Bru was suspect as a LB(yes I know bill did not draft these dudes.)

Beli cannot draft WR and DB's for shyt. I agree with that. That's why I am still pissed the pats past on Joseph last year. But come on, I have been a fan of the Pats since the late 80's. The 2000's D took a long while to get good, and they hit on some questionable signings and trades at the time(Harrison/Vrabel). This is the youngest D Bill has ever coached in NE. And it is showing.

 

[Champ_KW]

Brady out there posting a .500 record against this cupcake schedule...overrated....

 

[NYC Rebel]

You have no idea the frustrations I have with talking to Patriots fans. It's like Bellicheck can do no wrong. The same guys that were willing to throw Francona under the bus are giving Bellicheck immunity. A guy who can only draft obvious offensive studs. OBVIOUS ones, but sucks at drafting WRs. He hasn't hit on one since Deion Branch. Let me break down to you what I'm dealing with with these people here in New England. It has been 5 years and Bellicheck hasn't been able to reconstruct this defense. He has not been able to effectively get guys who can run quick and deep routes. But back to the point.

Wade Phillips turned around the 31st ranked Houston defense in one offseason.

Ravens did not miss a beat and rebuilt.

Steelers never fell off like we have.

Pete Carrol constructed a better defense than Bellicheck in half the time.


Yet, we're defending a guy who has done this in the secondary over the past 5 years:

2 Tavon Wilson 2012 Too soon.

2 Ras-I Dowling 2011

1 Devin McCourty 2010

2 Patrick Chung 2009

2 Darius Butler 2009

2 Terrence Wheatley 2008

1 Brandon Meriweather 2007


I'll wait on the rookie Wilson and McCourty has talent and Chung is being used wrong, but there's no excuse. He has been trying to rebuild this group for 5 years. FIVE.

It took him 4 to finally fix the front 7.

I don't get how they don't see it.

He's not a good GM, and his on the field coaching is compensating for it by putting players in positions where he thinks they can be successful instead of what we need them to do because he drafted their limited talent asses in the first place. Pioli was the GM.

How long did it take the chiefs to put together a defense?

I'll keep quiet because a good friend of mine is a scout for your squad.

 

[No1]

Super Bowl or you ain't done shyt is the mantra of a spoiled fan.

Patriot fans are disgusting with that mentality.

No, it's only disgusting when you try to complain about your plights compared to other fans. Superbowl or you didn't do shyt is the mentality of every winning franchise.

You see the Yankees, Lakers, Spurs, etc., walking around saying, "Well we're the same team we've been for years and we'll lose the exact same way when met with the same resistance, but at least we can feast durng the regular season."

That's a losers mentality. Spoiled would be expecting to win every game. Being realistic is being disgusted in the manner in which we lose every game. Even during the SB years we lost games, even in 06 when we had no shooters, we lose games. But it wasn't so choreographed and predictable.

 

[No1]

The same reason it took 5 years when Bru Willie, and Ty LAW where drafted. Remember Willie was considered a bust in 95(made the pro bowl in 96, drafted in 93). Bru was suspect as a LB(yes I know bill did not draft these dudes.)

Beli cannot draft WR and DB's for shyt. I agree with that. That's why I am still pissed the pats past on Joseph last year. But come on, I have been a fan of the Pats since the late 80's. The 2000's D took a long while to get good, and they hit on some questionable signings and trades at the time(Harrison/Vrabel). This is the youngest D Bill has ever coached in NE. And it is showing.

That squad was in the Superbowl in 96 and was poorly coached but talented afterwards.

Our squad is the inverse. Well coached (except DBs) but lacking talent. That's my issue.

The 2000s D was good by Bellicheck's second season. It was dominant by his fourth. If you know you can't coach players up then sign them. That's my entire point, shytty drafting. If you're Phil Jackson and you like vets and don't coach guys up, then sign veterans who can play the spot.

Pioli as GM was executive of the year in 01, 03, 04, 07 and then '10 with the chiefs. It's pretty obvious that Bellicheck needs someone else of equal stature to disagree with him.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

No, it's only disgusting when you try to complain about your plights compared to other fans. Superbowl or you didn't do shyt is the mentality of every winning franchise.

You see the Yankees, Lakers, Spurs, etc., walking around saying, "Well we're the same team we've been for years and we'll lose the exact same way when met with the same resistance, but at least we can feast durng the regular season."

That's a losers mentality. Spoiled would be expecting to win every game. Being realistic is being disgusted in the manner in which we lose every game. Even during the SB years we lost games, even in 06 when we had no shooters, we lose games. But it wasn't so choreographed and predictable.

You questioned why he wasn't getting the Francona treatment, who was fukking losing. Beli was just in the Super Bowl, for chrissakes. Go to sleep dude.

 

[Brady-Carter]

That squad was in the Superbowl in 96 and was poorly coached but talented afterwards.

Our squad is the inverse. Well coached (except DBs) but lacking talent. That's my issue.

The 2000s D was good by Bellicheck's second season. It was dominant by his fourth. If you know you can't coach players up then sign them. That's my entire point, shytty drafting. If you're Phil Jackson and you like vets and don't coach guys up, then sign veterans who can play the spot.

Pioli as GM was executive of the year in 01, 03, 04, 07 and then '10 with the chiefs. It's pretty obvious that Bellicheck needs someone else of equal stature to disagree with him.

WTF happen after 96? Drew and curtis carried the Pats to that SB(Curtis 166yrds 3Td's againts the Steelers in WC game) No one on D had over 10 sacks or 5 ints on D that year. The O carried the Pats to that SB.

New England Patriots Stats at NFL.com

Get off your god damn high horse, you are not the authority of pats knowledge. All these essay you have typed out, you have not given one ounce of credit to the opposing teams(yet everyone else is a homer).

And once again you go on about Pioli and do not mention Cassaro. Cassaro has the same fukking power Pioli had. And has had better drafts then pioli ever had.

We are going to have to agree to disagree. For me the Pats are off one game from where I expected them to be(the Zona loss) . For you the sky is falling and only you know what is wrong.

 

[No1]

You questioned why he wasn't getting the Francona treatment, who was fukking losing. Beli was just in the Super Bowl, for chrissakes. Go to sleep dude.

You need to decide which subject you want to be on. In one post you're talking about entitled fans and now you're back on Belli vs. Francona.

I think the guy that gets you your first two WS since John McCain was born gets that type of leeway. It was a much more shocking accomplishment and it featured a come back from being down 0-3. The Sox missed the playoffs in 10 and in '11 had that major collapse, but let's not act like there was some long string of losing. They were two years removed from a game 7 in the ALCS. More importantly, his team had a collapse towards the end, but it wasn't like he had signed all those guys.

He can't make Crawford hit. Bellicheck did draft those guys and then hired a staff that is coaching them improperly.

Belli has not been questioned whatsoever for his piss poor drafting. That's the point, he's fielded a team that cannot defensively win you a SB for 4 straight years. Maybe even 5. And he was hired TO BE A DEFENSIVE GENIUS. Read that again. A defensive mastermind with piss poor defenses for half a decade in the prime of Brady's career.

He's winning because his QB's name is Brady. I'm sure Franc wished that he could send out 99 Pedro Martinez to pitch every game. Brady even said in 2010 that the Steelers game was the first time in years that Bellicheck had gone over offensive shyt with him.

Look at the 09, 10 and 11 Pats and tell me where they would be if Matt Cassel was the QB. I just want to see progress in that secondary, they are exactly who there were 3 years ago.

 

[36 Chambers]

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[Brady-Carter]

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