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I can understand you being against their style.. or their bars. It's outdated to you, not your cup of tea. Fine. But how is Slaughterhouse the one group you point to at as the epitome of wackness and gimmicks?

I've explained this 17 times, and I have zero confidence that on the 18th the people who are determined to defend an absolutely abysmal album will catch on, but here it goes. The "super group" gimmick is corny as shyt, and even beyond that dishonest, as there's nothing super about these nikkas, not in terms of talent nor in terms of fan demand. The "real hip hop" gimmick. Whining incessantly about how you represent the real, lyrics, etc. when really you're just a bunch of one-dimensional aight rappers looking for a lane. This shyt would've been wack in the 90s, and it's wack now. And let me make this perfectly clear -I'm saying, without hesitation, that this is worse than Waka and Ross and Drake and whomever else you want to trot out as the cliche example of what's wrong with rap. Because at least those dudes are just doing whatever the fukk they're doing. They're not pretending to be the cure for cancer, then putting out an album of cancer. That's far more cynical than anything waka flacka is doing. The same corny ass nikkas who have openly dissed artists - sometimes by name - for breaking hip hop codes and who have bemoaned the state of hip hop form a directionless group and spit bars over pop rap beats with the same lame themes as pop rapper 704760x3zh5... that's more cynical and disgusting and wacker to me than souljah boy, who is a fukking clown but who at least isn't masquerading as some sort of savior of hip hop.

This would be like some d-level director complaining loudly that his wack films never really popped because the culture only seems to have room for the Michael Bays of the world. Then he teams up with 3 other pretentious bum directors who all make references to 70s cinema and Cassavetes and how dope film used to be and they were born in the wrong decade etc. But when they put their first collaborative film out, it's just... a forgettable film.

Then they get some major studio backing to make a second film, and people who watch films are kind of wondering what this supposed return to true cinema, anti-Michael Bay collective will do now, and it turns out their movie has a bunch of CGI and some robots in it, with no real plot and a lot of cheap ass explosions. In interviews they suddenly give up the "defenders of the honor of true cinema" gimmick and adopt a new, retarded, transparently self-serving justification of "well, we was just feeling like robots were cool the day we started shooting. Can't nikkas express themselves? It's still us, still our vision... just with robots and explosions. I mean, my father ain't gotta work at the steel mill no more. Can I live? Oh, and Ludwig Von Crooked, for your information, included that scene of the robot doing a handstand on the volcano as an homage to a dead songstress he knew, so don't you dare criticize that just because the entire scene was fukking wack!"

I've been with hip hop forever, know more about hip hop than 99% of this board in terms of its history, songs, abums, cultural context, geographical context etc. and I truly believe a shytty group like slaughterhouse and their dumb ass stans are worse for hip hop than Waka (whose music and persona I can't fukking stand). Because I prefer an outright lie to a lie cloaked in the appearance of truth. The latter is far more destructive, and it produces a cynicism that allows shyttiness to flourish simply because other shyttiness exists, and you get these comically stupid arguments that since Rapper Y is super duper pooper wack, then Rapper Z - although making a clear stab at crossover worthless empty music - should be viewed as decent. Nah, wack is fukking wack. And the irony of so many weird ass slaughterhouse fans hiding behind the "real hip hop vs. Rick Ross" argument is thick. This would be like some nikka back in the day arguing that I was undervaluing the Zhigge album because, hey, Father M.C. makes soft ass music for the ladies. The one has nothing to do with the other. Both albums belong in the garbage.

These motherfukkers suck, individually and as a collective. And this album sucks in a very special way, as if they all tapped deep into what could make them individually and collectively reach the suckiest levels of sucking so they could produce a rap album that could be called The Great Suck. They've basically turned themselves into D12 2.0, and done so happily. The worse part is they can't really make a group album of "pure, original hip hop" like Tribe or Wu, or Outkast or whomever you want to use as a rap group that stays true to itself while still meeting with success, and they can't make a generic pop album either. They fukking suck at both, because they have no vision, no integrity, and no real chemistry. They're a bunch of D-List bum rappers tripping over themselves in a rush to grasp the same ethos they claim prevented them from blowing in the first place, which is so warped and comical that, as Tip said, I really don't know... I guess I laugh to keep from crying.

And just about everyone sees this, except for 5 fans who can't just say "yeah, well, I like it because I fukks with these nikkas despite their album being the musical equivalent of a homeless man's sock," but instead want to indict the game, Rick Ross, the fans, "hate," the public's inability to enjoy music with pop elements, and every other fukking reason except the main reason people universally think this album is a chunk of Whoopi Goldberg's face, which is that the vision, chemistry, and vision of the group are straight up doodoo on a fukking stick.
 

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I've explained this 17 times, and I have zero confidence that on the 18th the people who are determined to defend an absolutely abysmal album will catch on, but here it goes. The "super group" gimmick is corny as shyt, and even beyond that dishonest, as there's nothing super about these nikkas, not in terms of talent nor in terms of fan demand. The "real hip hop" gimmick. Whining incessantly about how you represent the real, lyrics, etc. when really you're just a bunch of one-dimensional aight rappers looking for a lane. This shyt would've been wack in the 90s, and it's wack now. And let me make this perfectly clear -I'm saying, without hesitation, that this is worse than Waka and Ross and Drake and whomever else you want to trot out as the cliche example of what's wrong with rap. Because at least those dudes are just doing whatever the fukk they're doing. They're not pretending to be the cure for cancer, then putting out an album of cancer. That's far more cynical than anything waka flacka is doing. The same corny ass nikkas who have openly dissed artists - sometimes by name - for breaking hip hop codes and who have bemoaned the state of hip hop form a directionless group and spit bars over pop rap beats with the same lame themes as pop rapper 704760x3zh5... that's more cynical and disgusting and wacker to me than souljah boy, who is a fukking clown but who at least isn't masquerading as some sort of savior of hip hop.

This would be like some d-level director complaining loudly that his wack films never really popped because the culture only seems to have room for the Michael Bays of the world. Then he teams up with 3 other pretentious bum directors who all make references to 70s cinema and Cassavetes and how dope film used to be and they were born in the wrong decade etc. But when they put their first collaborative film out, it's just... a forgettable film.

Then they get some major studio backing to make a second film, and people who watch films are kind of wondering what this supposed return to true cinema, anti-Michael Bay collective will do now, and it turns out their movie has a bunch of CGI and some robots in it, with no real plot and a lot of cheap ass explosions. In interviews they suddenly give up the "defenders of the honor of true cinema" gimmick and adopt a new, retarded, transparently self-serving justification of "well, we was just feeling like robots were cool the day we started shooting. Can't nikkas express themselves? It's still us, still our vision... just with robots and explosions. I mean, my father ain't gotta work at the steel mill no more. Can I live? Oh, and Ludwig Von Crooked, for your information, included that scene of the robot doing a handstand on the volcano as an homage to a dead songstress he knew, so don't you dare criticize that just because the entire scene was fukking wack!"

I've been with hip hop forever, know more about hip hop than 99% of this board in terms of its history, songs, abums, cultural context, geographical context etc. and I truly believe a shytty group like slaughterhouse and their dumb ass stans are worse for hip hop than Waka (whose music and persona I can't fukking stand). Because I prefer an outright lie to a lie cloaked in the appearance of truth. The latter is far more destructive, and it produces a cynicism that allows shyttiness to flourish simply because other shyttiness exists, and you get these comically stupid arguments that since Rapper Y is super duper pooper wack, then Rapper Z - although making a clear stab at crossover worthless empty music - should be viewed as decent. Nah, wack is fukking wack. And the irony of so many weird ass slaughterhouse fans hiding behind the "real hip hop vs. Rick Ross" argument is thick. This would be like some nikka back in the day arguing that I was undervaluing the Zhigge album because, hey, Father M.C. makes soft ass music for the ladies. The one has nothing to do with the other. Both albums belong in the garbage.

These motherfukkers suck, individually and as a collective. And this album sucks in a very special way, as if they all tapped deep into what could make them individually and collectively reach the suckiest levels of a ap album they could make. They've basically turned themselves into D12 2.0, and done so happily. And just about everyone sees it, except for 5 fans who can't just say "yeah, well, I like it because I fukks with these nikkas despite their album being the musical equivalent of a homeless man's sock," but want to indict the game, Rick Ross, the fans, "hate," the public's inability to enjoy music with pop elements, and every other fukking reason except the main reason people universally think this album is a chunk of Whoopi Goldberg's face, which is that the vision, chemistry, and vision of the group are straight up doodoo on a fukking stick.


:wow: :lawd:
 

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This would be like some d-level director complaining loudly that his wack films never really popped because the culture only seems to have room for the Michael Bays of the world. Then he teams up with 3 other pretentious bum directors who all make references to 70s cinema and Cassavetes and how dope film used to be and they were born in the wrong decade etc. But when they put their first collaborative film out, it's just... a forgettable film.

Then they get some major studio backing to make a second film, and people who watch films are kind of wondering what this supposed return to true cinema, anti-Michael Bay collective will do now, and it turns out their movie has a bunch of CGI and some robots in it, with no real plot and a lot of cheap ass explosions. In interviews they suddenly give up the "defenders of the honor of true cinema" gimmick and adopt a new, retarded, transparently self-serving justification of "well, we was just feeling like robots were cool the day we started shooting. Can't nikkas express themselves? It's still us, still our vision... just with robots and explosions. I mean, my father ain't gotta work at the steel mill no more. Can I live? Oh, and Ludwig Von Crooked, for your information, included that scene of the robot doing a handstand on the volcano as an homage to a dead songstress he knew, so don't you dare criticize that just because the entire scene was fukking wack!"

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I've explained this 17 times, and I have zero confidence that on the 18th the people who are determined to defend an absolutely abysmal album will catch on, but here it goes. The "super group" gimmick is corny as shyt, and even beyond that dishonest, as there's nothing super about these nikkas, not in terms of talent nor in terms of fan demand. The "real hip hop" gimmick. Whining incessantly about how you represent the real, lyrics, etc. when really you're just a bunch of one-dimensional aight rappers looking for a lane. This shyt would've been wack in the 90s, and it's wack now. And let me make this perfectly clear -I'm saying, without hesitation, that this is worse than Waka and Ross and Drake and whomever else you want to trot out as the cliche example of what's wrong with rap. Because at least those dudes are just doing whatever the fukk they're doing. They're not pretending to be the cure for cancer, then putting out an album of cancer. That's far more cynical than anything waka flacka is doing. The same corny ass nikkas who have openly dissed artists - sometimes by name - for breaking hip hop codes and who have bemoaned the state of hip hop form a directionless group and spit bars over pop rap beats with the same lame themes as pop rapper 704760x3zh5... that's more cynical and disgusting and wacker to me than souljah boy, who is a fukking clown but who at least isn't masquerading as some sort of savior of hip hop.

This would be like some d-level director complaining loudly that his wack films never really popped because the culture only seems to have room for the Michael Bays of the world. Then he teams up with 3 other pretentious bum directors who all make references to 70s cinema and Cassavetes and how dope film used to be and they were born in the wrong decade etc. But when they put their first collaborative film out, it's just... a forgettable film.

Then they get some major studio backing to make a second film, and people who watch films are kind of wondering what this supposed return to true cinema, anti-Michael Bay collective will do now, and it turns out their movie has a bunch of CGI and some robots in it, with no real plot and a lot of cheap ass explosions. In interviews they suddenly give up the "defenders of the honor of true cinema" gimmick and adopt a new, retarded, transparently self-serving justification of "well, we was just feeling like robots were cool the day we started shooting. Can't nikkas express themselves? It's still us, still our vision... just with robots and explosions. I mean, my father ain't gotta work at the steel mill no more. Can I live? Oh, and Ludwig Von Crooked, for your information, included that scene of the robot doing a handstand on the volcano as an homage to a dead songstress he knew, so don't you dare criticize that just because the entire scene was fukking wack!"

I've been with hip hop forever, know more about hip hop than 99% of this board in terms of its history, songs, abums, cultural context, geographical context etc. and I truly believe a shytty group like slaughterhouse and their dumb ass stans are worse for hip hop than Waka (whose music and persona I can't fukking stand). Because I prefer an outright lie to a lie cloaked in the appearance of truth. The latter is far more destructive, and it produces a cynicism that allows shyttiness to flourish simply because other shyttiness exists, and you get these comically stupid arguments that since Rapper Y is super duper pooper wack, then Rapper Z - although making a clear stab at crossover worthless empty music - should be viewed as decent. Nah, wack is fukking wack. And the irony of so many weird ass slaughterhouse fans hiding behind the "real hip hop vs. Rick Ross" argument is thick. This would be like some nikka back in the day arguing that I was undervaluing the Zhigge album because, hey, Father M.C. makes soft ass music for the ladies. The one has nothing to do with the other. Both albums belong in the garbage.

These motherfukkers suck, individually and as a collective. And this album sucks in a very special way, as if they all tapped deep into what could make them individually and collectively reach the suckiest levels of sucking so they could produce a rap album that could be called The Great Suck. They've basically turned themselves into D12 2.0, and done so happily. The worse part is they can't really make a group album of "pure, original hip hop" like Tribe or Wu, or Outkast or whomever you want to use as a rap group that stays true to itself while still meeting with success, and they can't make a generic pop album either. They fukking suck at both, because they have no vision, no integrity, and no real chemistry. They're a bunch of D-List bum rappers tripping over themselves in a rush to grasp the same ethos they claim prevented them from blowing in the first place, which is so warped and comical that, as Tip said, I really don't know... I guess I laugh to keep from crying.

And just about everyone sees this, except for 5 fans who can't just say "yeah, well, I like it because I fukks with these nikkas despite their album being the musical equivalent of a homeless man's sock," but instead want to indict the game, Rick Ross, the fans, "hate," the public's inability to enjoy music with pop elements, and every other fukking reason except the main reason people universally think this album is a chunk of Whoopi Goldberg's face, which is that the vision, chemistry, and vision of the group are straight up doodoo on a fukking stick.

:huhldup: They put out a pretty damn dope tape though. They not whining anymore about bringing nothing back, they just rapping over some pretty good beats. They good at what they do, when they do that.(Your personal opinion aside) I will say that what they do is 1-dimensional and on a lower tier of importance musically than most rappers I'm a fan of nowadays. They are limited in their overall abilities and I agree they have no basis to complain about their plight or standing in the game, but there is a lane for what they do.

Not to cop pleas, but I probably wouldn't give 2 shyts about this group if I wasn't a fan of this bum nikka Crooked I since like the year of 1997:snoop::sadcam: Through that association, I've come to appreciate the other members talents at times.

These nikkas had dreams of grandeur, when they should have played their position and satisfied the cool little fan base they had collectively and made a lil show money.:manny:
 

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buddens/em/royce 3 of my favorite rappers of all time... joell/crooked can both have good verses cant really make songs

first album 4 out of 5... All we needed with them signing to Em is more exposure a little better beat selection, and some hooks

didnt get that at all... that royce/em album was good i dont know what happened here

honestly Eminem should just have royce and denaun as his hype men and actually have signed Budden... Buddens is an all time great a shame he never gonna sell records

While this album doesnt work... there is like 12 shiitty songs out of 18 that have bad beats and forgettable rhymes, slaughterhouse as an idea worked... all these guys got back into the business made some money and now hopefully be able to do something on their own
 

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Not to cop pleas, but I probably wouldn't give 2 shyts about this group if I wasn't a fan of this bum nikka Crooked I since like the year of 1997:snoop::sadcam: Through that association, I've come to appreciate the other members talents at times.

These nikkas had dreams of grandeur, when they should have played their position and satisfied the cool little fan base they had collectively and made a lil show money.:manny:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

My homie was a crook fan, and a joe budden fan but gave up on both a while back. shyt, I waited for so long to hear an official Natural Elements album or at least an A-Butta solo that I lost track of time. It's cool, we all have personal preferences, but those preferences morph into delusions with some cats.

For instance, I fukks with Cormega to an absurd extent. I have every damn song Mega has ever done or been featured on, I think his first album is a classic, and his second is near classic. But if Mega comes out with some "my life" track rapping over a jersey shore beat, we gotta part ways. And if he has an album full of trendy beats and crossover attempts, that shyt is going in the garbage and I'm going to have to just pop the first couple albums back in and make my peace with it.

But I won't be arguing about the fans, the game, Drake, and every other damn thing that has nothing to do with Mega putting out a dud. There's being a fan, and then there's being a sycophantic apologist. Obviously I'm not taking about you, but some of these cats who are not only defending this album but indicting people who don't like it are on some next level shyt.
 

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Nearly everything they've put out since signing to Shady has been trash, that e.p was :trash:, the album not looking any better.
They're not going to sell and the albums going to be awfull by the looks of things.
:yeshrug:

My post from 29th of June :obama::russ::myman:
 

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

My homie was a crook fan, and a joe budden fan but gave up on both a while back. shyt, I waited for so long to hear an official Natural Elements album or at least an A-Butta solo that I lost track of time. It's cool, we all have personal preferences, but those preferences morph into delusions with some cats.

For instance, I fukks with Cormega to an absurd extent. I have every damn song Mega has ever done or been featured on, I think his first album is a classic, and his second is near classic. But if Mega comes out with some "my life" track rapping over a jersey shore beat, we gotta part ways. And if he has an album full of trendy beats and crossover attempts, that shyt is going in the garbage and I'm going to have to just pop the first couple albums back in and make my peace with it.

But I won't be arguing about the fans, the game, Drake, and every other damn thing that has nothing to do with Mega putting out a dud. There's being a fan, and then there's being a sycophantic apologist. Obviously I'm not taking about you, but some of these cats who are not only defending this album but indicting people who don't like it are on some next level shyt.

Yeah it's kind of personal with Crooked for me. He's from my city. He was in a group with one of my homies way back when called the low lifes. We used to bump that lowlife tape nonstop in the hood in like '97. I knew he had the most talent way back then.

But I've been ambivalent about the nikka for a while now. I wish him success, but at the same time I know the nikka is a bum. There was a time when I would praise this nikka Crooked to anyone who would listen, now I wouldn't even lift a single mouse clicking finger to put anybody on to dude.

I shed tears for my nikka H.J Duck though, he still out there fighting the good fight.
 
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Walt obviously hates these dudes with a passion judging by his multiple extremely long posts about them.. I just think a lot of other people on here just hate anything outside of what they want so much that they go extra hard on the hate.. that's the only thing I was trying to point out. Lot of these people hating like at least a couple members, if not the whole group and will bump their other shyt, but will look at this as a sacrilege and it just seems excessive to me.
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buddens/em/royce 3 of my favorite rappers of all time... joell/crooked can both have good verses cant really make songs

first album 4 out of 5... All we needed with them signing to Em is more exposure a little better beat selection, and some hooks
didnt get that at all... that royce/em album was good i dont know what happened here

honestly Eminem should just have royce and denaun as his hype men and actually have signed Budden... Buddens is an all time great a shame he never gonna sell records

While this album doesnt work... there is like 12 shiitty songs out of 18 that have bad beats and forgettable rhymes, slaughterhouse as an idea worked... all these guys got back into the business made some money and now hopefully be able to do something on their own

:ohlawd: Seems so simple don't it? Did Em really think he could make any real money off of these dudes? I thought he signed them as kind of a favor to Royce and an appreciation for their rhyming talents. They could have realeased a quality project and recouped no problem. What invisible target were these Cacs(Em & Iovine) shooting at?
 

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on track 12..an entirely forgettable album so far..even moreso than that underwhelming mixtape from a few days ago
 

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:huhldup: They put out a pretty damn dope tape though. They not whining anymore about bringing nothing back, they just rapping over some pretty good beats. They good at what they do, when they do that.(Your personal opinion aside) I will say that what they do is 1-dimensional and on a lower tier of importance musically than most rappers I'm a fan of nowadays. They are limited in their overall abilities and I agree they have no basis to complain about their plight or standing in the game, but there is a lane for what they do.

Not to cop pleas, but I probably wouldn't give 2 shyts about this group if I wasn't a fan of this bum nikka Crooked I since like the year of 1997:snoop::sadcam: Through that association, I've come to appreciate the other members talents at times.

These nikkas had dreams of grandeur, when they should have played their position and satisfied the cool little fan base they had collectively and made a lil show money.:manny:
you pretty much explained me to a tee. I was a huge Crooked I fan when he first signed to Tha Row I went back and DL'd all of his Low Life/19th Street Record shyt and was even more of a stan. Since then I've followed the dude's career and learned to accept him being in this group with Hoe budden as much as I despise his clown ass (Royce is dope and Joell was ok) and now this shyt? :what: I'm pretty much done with these goofballs :rudy:

Crooked I can't even give us a fukkin solo album for fukk sakes I know Left Eye is looking down on him right now like :childplease:
 

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Yeah it's kind of personal with Crooked for me. He's from my city. He was in a group with one of my homies way back when called the low lifes. We used to bump that lowlife tape nonstop in the hood in like '97. I knew he had the most talent way back then.

But I've been ambivalent about the nikka for a while now. I wish him success, but at the same time I know the nikka is a bum. There was a time when I would praise this nikka Crooked to anyone who would listen, now I wouldn't even lift a single mouse clicking finger to put anybody on to dude.

I shed tears for my nikka H.J Duck though, he still out there fighting the good fight.

Ah man, that's tough. I've got a few stories like that, and I think on the micro level that's more or less the story of hip hop in general. Jay said it well: it's like the drunk uncle in your family - you know he's lame, you feel ashamed, but you love him the same.

:snoop: :to:

I know Left Eye is looking down on him right now like :childplease:

As least she can rest in peace knowing he rocks his mink when the weather is chilly.

:manny:
 

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One thing I'll probably never understand about these internet hip hop discussions....is why some people are so obsessed with tryin to convince other people to like/dislike what they personally like/dislike? (btw just to be clear, both, people who like & dislike the album have done it in this thread. some more some less)



take "deeznutz" for example, he doesn't like the album, aight cool. but then he's here writing paragraphs n shyt & tellin that if you like this album at all you're a fakkit :heh:

Does it really mean that much to you? What other albums are like that, just so I can know that I suddenly don't turn into a fakkit accidentally by listening to certain albums.. I mean it could create awkward situations. Like how did you come to this conclusion.. you were just listening to this album & then it made you feel like you're gay? Did something awkward happen?



edit.

Another thing about the album...after 2nd listen "Park It Sideways" is basically just as horrible as Throw That.
 

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What other albums are like that, just so I can know that I suddenly don't turn into a fakkit accidentally by listening to certain albums.

-Air Supply's greatest hits
-Noel's self-titled debut, which featured the hit "Silent Morning"
-Any Indigo Girls or Ani DiFranco albums
-Al. B Sure!'s In Effect Mode*

*unless you's a real ass nikka who was in his teens or younger when it came out
 
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