Zion Williamson Bust Watch

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@Gil Scott-Heroin you have to learn to make your point more efficiently with less words.

Yes all of those players I mentioned are 6'10 because they play the same position as Zion. Like Barkley zion is a different breed. His athletic ability and skill set sets him a part.

You want to see evidence of a jumper just go on youtube, because you are one of them stat guys that didnt watch most of Zion's games you just take it to the stats.

He is a smart player who takes the best shot possible, he doesnt force the issue. I'm done talking about Zion with you because its painfully obvious you didnt watch him play throughout the year, he got better with each game
 

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I'm embarrassed for you, my bro, because you're completely incapable of not only of using the appropriate context, but understanding it when it's pointed out to you, over and over and over, again. It's how you got yourself in a tangle to typing out the nonsense of Zion (now) having a better jumpshot than Chuck (at any point of his career) because you don't understand how to contextualize stats nor are you cognizant of the nature of the game, itself. I've debunked your argument and drowned your logic, and yet you come back with the same shyt, as if you didn't process what I wrote.

It's like you're stuck on a loop.

And no, the number of jumpshots he took last season is not an adequate sample size, for the simple fact that they only made up 18% of his total shots, most of which were uncontested. You can't then use other players' 3-pt stats as a contrast or tie-in point, not only for the fact that 3-pt shots are not the only demonstration of a jumpshot (most, if not, all of those players you brought up, took a far greater ratio of jumpshots inside the arc against Zion's jumpshots inside the arc), but those players you referenced don't handle the ball to the same degree that Zion did, and therefore, they don't get the same opportunities to pick and choose when to shoot the ball.

If Zion really had a jumpshot like you believe he does, then for someone who handled the ball as much as he did, he would've been taking around six jumpshots per game (not around two per game), which would be around 40% of his total shots, and they'd need to be against defensive pressure.

I mean take JJJ for instance, you brought up him only taking and making 38 out of 96 threes in college (40% completion rate), as means to suggest that because Zion attempted 3s at a similar mark, I should be of the belief because JJJ can shoot, that Zion can too. But you see, JJJ didn't get the ball enough to shoot the ball more than that - he didn't have the luxury of picking and choosing when to shoot like Zion did - he had to make do with the minimal amount possessions he received, and he had greater defensive pressure when he did shoot (as opposed to Zion who was given a shooting cushion).

JJJ's total jumpshots in college made up around 50% of his total shots, whereas Zion's jumpshots only made up 18% of his total shots, and this is with Zion getting to pick when exactly he wanted to shoot the ball, and not like JJJ who was put in positions where he had to shoot the ball when he received it.

How many times do I need to reiterate this before you understand?

And this is all without mentioning that JJJ is 6'11" - he doesn't need a jumpshot to the same degree that someone who's 6'6" does. If Zion was the same size as JJJ, then his lack of a jumpshot wouldn't be such an issue.

Ask yourself: how many 6'6" (and below) players in NBA history have dominated the league without a jumpshot?

But regardless of all that, Zion's shot is mechanically flawed and will probably need a near-complete makeover once he gets acclimated into the league; similar to Lonzo who got his shyt tweaked by Vinson. There's a reason why he's had three games against NBA competition, and yet he's only taken four shots outside of 5-ft, and he missed all of them.

It's basically a countdown until we see him hit an actual jumpshot against NBA talent.
D Wade, A HISTORICALLY GREAT OFFENSIVE PLAYER WHO DOESNT WASTE POSSESSIONS OR DRIBBLES. TAKES THE ROCK EXACTLY WHERE THEY WANT TO GO FROM 1 OR 2 DRIBBLES. SAME AS JORDAN, ZION IS THAT GOOD OFF THE DRIBBLE YOU fukkIN IDIOT.

NO PLAYER CAN STAY IN FRONT OF HIM. NOT SMALL QUICK GUARDS. NOT MID SIZED GUARD/FORWARDS. NOT SIMILAR SIZED FORWARDS, NOT BIGGER BIGS. YOU fukkIN IDIOT.


nikkaS REALLY WANT ZION TO DRIBBLE BACKWARDS AND SHOOT A 3 JUST CAUSE THEY SAID SO :laff:, HE GETS PAST HIS DEFENDER OFF THE 1ST OR 2ND DRIBBLE.

fukk OUTTA HERE U TRASH ASS POSTER



YALL SEE THE shyt HE DELETED FROM THIS POST :laff:

nikka U TRASH, fukk OUT MY FACE
 
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@Gil Scott-Heroin you have to learn to make your point more efficiently with less words.
I did.

"73% of Zion's shots were at the rim last season
He only took 80 jumpshots in total (71 from behind the arc, and only 9 inside the arc)
Only 18% of his total shots were jumpshots - at a completion rate well below average D1 standard
He only took 38 NBA-standard 3s in total, most of which were uncontested, which he completed at 31%.

He's only taken four shots outside 5-ft in the three games he's played against NBA competition - all of which he missed.

How much more evidence do you need before you acknowledge that he can't shoot?"

How much more efficient could I be than that?

The problem is, once folks like you argue against that, I then have to elaborate further with more words. Whereas if you just acknowledged that y'all were wrong and that he doesn't have a jumpshot (yet), then we all could move on and discuss something that's worthwhile, instead of going around in circles about something that was proven the first time around.

Yes all of those players I mentioned are 6'10 because they play the same position as Zion. Like Barkley zion is a different breed. His athletic ability and skill set sets him a part.
A different breed doesn't negate the fact he's still undersized and needs a jumpshot to layer his scoring because he's not going to be able to just score in the paint with his limited dimensions, forever. There's going to come a time, whether that is next week, or a month from now, or a year from now; whenever it is, we'll all be discussing him needing to have a jumpshot to take that next step.
You want to see evidence of a jumper just go on youtube, because you are one of them stat guys that didnt watch most of Zion's games you just take it to the stats.
My mans, I warned you about this nonsense before - don't pretend to know how I analyze and judge players just because I use stats that you obviously aren't privy to. I don't need to look at YT to see evidence of his jumper, not only because there is none, but because I watched his games in real-time, and replays. And I mean, I'm giving you factual evidence of his jumpshot stats, and yet here you thinking that some highlights on YT prove otherwise.

If you actually watched his games like you're insinuating you did, you would've seen someone who lived in the paint, and would barely operate outside of it, only on the odd occasion when he found himself wide-open and had a clean look would he take an actual jumpshot. I could probably count the number of times on one hand when he actually took a jumpshot against defensive pressure across the entire season.

That is not the habits of a player who has a "consistent" jumpshot like you believe he does.
I'm done talking about Zion with you because its painfully obvious you didnt watch him play throughout the year, he got better with each game
I was in the game-threads talking about his play on here you new ass nikka. Where the fukk did you come from that's got you speaking like you're aware of what's going on when you only joined this site a year ago?

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DAWG LITERALLY JUST TOLD ME



IF ZION HAD A JUMPSHOT, HE WOULD TAKE 6 PER GAME. LIKE 6 OF THEM, :laff: JUST fukkING CAUSE. OH NAW, I WAS PLAYER OF THE YEAR AND THE MOST DOMINANT FRESHMAN IN COLLEGE HISTORY

BUT I SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOOTING JUMPERS :laff::laff::laff::laff:.

ID SPIT IN YOUR FACE fakkit
How idiotic do you have to be to not understand that I'm using that as a mark as an adequate sample size as proof of his jumpshot, when you're of the belief that only two attempts per game proves that he has a jumpshot? Six attempts per game would be more in line with the logic of him having a jumpshot. It's not "just fukking cause", there's a reasoning behind why I'm giving that number to illustrate a point which you obviously can not comprehend.

How the fukk can you possibly forget the context of the exchange we had that quickly?

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And on that note:

@DetroitEWarren

You're making yourself look even more foolish than you did before. You're not even typing anything of relevance anymore. Log off, and come back tomorrow, that's enough internet for you today.

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@Gil Scott-Heroin like I mentioned before I'm done talking about Zion with you fam..no disrespect but there are only so many long winded posts I can take...let's Zion's game determine the outcome
 

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@Gil Scott-Heroin like I mentioned before I'm done talking about Zion with you fam..no disrespect but there are only so many long winded posts I can take...let's Zion's game determine the outcome
Dude has absolutely nothing to back up his claim except his opinion. Not a single person in the world has said Zion cant shoot but yo bum ass.

9 minutes with a few shots blocked is enough for your point (Which is complrlete bullshyt as Zion finished over numerous bigs in College and in his 3 Pre Season games) and this is after not playing in over a month :heh:.

Thats enough factual evidinve to ssy he will struggle against good defenders.

But 80 fukkin jumpshots over a whole season aint enough. So, there the percentage obtained over this whole season is irrelevent :heh:



Man get yo dumbass the fukk outta here. U are getting destroyed in this bytch
 
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@Gil Scott-Heroin Don't be ghosting us now buddy, already more 3s than Ben Simmons made in his first 2 years in the league in 3 summer league games.

Also dominating DPOY 7'8 wingspan Rudy Gogurt, going at him fearlessly with the Frenchman helpless to stop him. Tell me again how he ain't gonna be able to do anything in the league because "HiS aRmS aRe ToO sHoRt!!!!" :mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::hhh::unimpressed::camby:
 
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Did this clown ass muh'fukka really just link ONE wide-open jumpshot as proof of him being able to shoot?

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Did this clown ass muh'fukka really just bring up Ben Simmons as a comparison to prove that Zion can shoot because he shot ONE jumpshot?

:picard:

Did this clown ass muh'fukka really just bring up Zion scoring only two other buckets as proof of him dominating Rudy?

:picard:

Embarrassing.
 

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@Gil Scott-Heroin Don't be ghosting us now buddy, already more 3s than Ben Simmons made in his first 2 years in the league in 3 summer league games. Also dominating DPOY 7'8 wingpsan Rudy Gogurt, going at him fearlessly with the Frenchman helpless to stop him. Tell me again how he ain't gonna be able to do anything in the league because "HiS aRmS aRe ToO sHoRt!!!!" :mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::hhh::unimpressed::camby:


He was wide open:troll:

I need to see consecutive 3's:troll:

He needs to win the 3 point contest:troll:

I need to see Zion score through Hakeem, mutombo, and gorbert on the court:troll:

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Don't y'all dudes find it embarrassing that you all are beating y'all chests over ONE made jumpshot (that was wide-open) across four games as proof of him being able to shoot? Why choose to die on that hill? Y'all don't need to defend every single point of criticism when you know its true.
 
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