Zion Williamson Bust Watch

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This tells me you're incapable of seeing the bigger picture, which is probably why you can't see where I'm coming from.

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I mean, take Giannis for example, who has far greater dimensions and physical capabilities than Zion, yet still has come to a dead-end where folks acknowledge he needs a jumpshot to take that next step to further his game. And the same will eventually apply to Zion when he reaches that point too.

Giannis is the MVP OF THE WHOLE fukkING LEAGUE. The MVP of the league who led his team to it's best overall record and went up 2-0 on the eventual champions before bums like Eric Bledsoe and Khris Middleton blew that lead. You really wanna use this as your bright and shining example of why this kid is guaranteed to bust if he doesn't start chucking 3s by your arbitrary deadline??? You realize how fukking stupid it sounds out loud?

"Curry needs to develop his overall game start dunking and posting guys up instead of chucking 3s all the time, you can't be good just shooting 3s" :sadbron: Motherfukker you can be good doing anything if nobody can stop you from doing it. Almost all Jordan did from age 33 onward after his first retirement and comeback was shoot highly contested mid range jumpers, the most inefficient shot possible in the game of basketball. But not a soul on earth could shut him down and stop him from doing it, and he lead his team to 3 more rings as a regular season, all-star, and finals MVP with that as his primary weapon. Shaq made one 3 over a 15+ year career, did he at any point "need" a jumpshot to dominate when he was in his prime?? NO!!!:mindblown:Cause he was fukking Diesel and nobody could stop him from doing what he wanted to do, with or without an NBA 3 point ranged jumpshot!!!



Look at how packed this fukking paint is and how all these defenders STILL can't do shyt from stopping Zion from successfully scoring at the rim. Don't start your fukking juelzing about "B-b-b-b-bu BaD dEfEnDeRs" like you were in the game thread; that's 4 if not FIVE fukking NBA defenders, one of whom is a 7 foot highly touted former lottery pick in Lauri Markannen (because you and every other hater is insistent "aNy 7 fOoTeR wIlL bLoCk HiM!!11") all collapsing inside to try and stop ONE 19 YEAR OLD KID!!!!! AND THEY CAN'T fukkING DO IT!!!!!! They had 13 tries to stop him like this all night, and they only succeeded in doing so once!

You erroneously tried to claim "Giannis has "far far greater physical capabilities" than him... wrong. Giannis is taller and longer.... he does not have anywhere near the "physical capabilities" in your words (your very :mjpls: words might I add) of Zion:
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Giannis can't make a play like this, no matter how tall or long his arms may be. Because that clip ain't the whole play; Zion started that play running from inside the restricted area, and still covered enough ground horizontally and vertically to block this shot from 3 point range before it was too late. Giannis does not have that level of speed and first step explosion, and he most certainly does not have that level of vertical explosion. Most certainly not at the mass and strength Zion is carrying comparatively.

I won't argue with you any longer, cause I know it's a waste of time no matter how many times you're proven wrong on stuff like this. My only hope is you don't hit the
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when you inevitably ARE proven wrong once again like you're known to do on this site... :mjgrin::unimpressed:



 

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This tells me you're incapable of seeing the bigger picture, which is probably why you can't see where I'm coming from.

:manny:

I mean, take Giannis for example, who has far greater dimensions and physical capabilities than Zion, yet still has come to a dead-end where folks acknowledge he needs a jumpshot to take that next step to further his game. And the same will eventually apply to Zion when he reaches that point too.

Giannis when its all said and done will be a h.o.f., so mention him and Zion in the same sentence is giving props to Zion. Yes Giannis has freakish long arms but Zion has freakish athletic ability and strength

Yes zion needs to add a jumper (which he already has) but at this point in time he doesnt need to showcase it because no one is stopping him so far
 

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there's a big gap between being hyped to be on giannis tier & being hyped up on the level of goats

the hype they are pushing is beyond just giannis level

z is not the source of his own criticisms really it's more the thirsty marketing & media overselling

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Giannis is the MVP OF THE WHOLE fukkING LEAGUE. The MVP of the league who led his team to it's best overall record and went up 2-0 on the eventual champions before bums like Eric Bledsoe and Khris Middleton blew that lead. You really wanna use this as your bright and shining example of why this kid is guaranteed to bust if he doesn't start chucking 3s by your arbitrary deadline??? You realize how fukking stupid it sounds out loud?
As per usual, just like your lack of understanding the game, you the lack the understanding to interpret what I'm saying. I've already said: I don't think he'll be a bust, and I've reiterated I'm talking about how successful/effective he can be, and how that is dependent on him developing a jumpshot. And it's not about "chucking 3s", it's about him not being able to score from anywhere outside of the paint.

Do you realize how "fukking stupid" you sound to not acknowledge that an undersized player whose activity outside of the paint in college was near non-existent, puts a cap on their ceiling?

If Giannis was the same size as Zion, he wouldn't have the status he does now in the game, which is the entire point of using him as an example. If he is now at a perceived dead-end, what's going to be the story for someone like Zion who doesn't have even remotely the same physical advantages?
"Curry needs to develop his overall game start dunking and posting guys up instead of chucking 3s all the time, you can't be good just shooting 3s" :sadbron:
False equivalence.

Not only are 3s more valuable than 2s, but dunking and posting guys up, are alternative ways to scoring the same points that you would from layups and general jumpshots inside the arc - all of which Steph is capable of doing - he can score all over the floor. There are no alternative ways to score if you don't have a jump-shot, it's not as if Zion can jump from 20-ft out and dunk the ball. Zion can only score in one area of the floor, which is in the paint; Steph can score in every single area of the floor, even beyond the actual halfcourt.

If you're 6'6" and you're only capable of scoring inside the paint, then, of course, it stands to reason your ceiling is going to have a certain limit.
Motherfukker you can be good doing anything if nobody can stop you from doing it. Almost all Jordan did from age 33 onward after his first retirement and comeback was shoot highly contested mid range jumpers, the most inefficient shot possible in the game of basketball. But not a soul on earth could shut him down and stop him from doing it, and he lead his team to 3 more rings as a regular season, all-star, and finals MVP with that as his primary weapon.
Oh look, the false equivalences just keep on coming (this is even worse considering you're using Jordan and his jumpshot as an example, as a reference point to tie to Zion, who is without a jumpshot). I'm convinced you're someone who only just started watching the game recently, especially with all this generic rhetoric about Jordan's game.

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Shaq made one 3 over a 15+ year career, did he at any point "need" a jumpshot to dominate when he was in his prime?? NO!!!:mindblown:Cause he was fukking Diesel and nobody could stop him from doing what he wanted to do, with or without an NBA 3 point ranged jumpshot!!!
As I've pointed out to you before, because Shaq towered over everyone, he didn't need a jumpshot. If Zion was the same size as Shaq, we wouldn't even be having this discussion, but since Zion is only 6'6" with a below-average wingspan, he needs a jumpshot to exist in that stratosphere. Why are you having a hard time comprehending this?

Do you really think Shaq would be even half the player he was if he was the same size as Zion?

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Look at how packed this fukking paint is and how all these defenders STILL can't do shyt from stopping Zion from successfully scoring at the rim. Don't start your fukking juelzing about "B-b-b-b-bu BaD dEfEnDeRs" like you were in the game thread; that's 4 if not FIVE fukking NBA defenders, one of whom is a 7 foot highly touted former lottery pick in Lauri Markannen (because you and every other hater is insistent "aNy 7 fOoTeR wIlL bLoCk HiM!!11") all collapsing inside to try and stop ONE 19 YEAR OLD KID!!!!! AND THEY CAN'T fukkING DO IT!!!!!! They had 13 tries to stop him like this all night, and they only succeeded in doing so once!

Before I address this, let me ask you:

Do you believe that every team has the same defensive capabilities as the Bulls (who were without their defensive anchor), and every team for the rest of his career?
Do you believe that Zion will be playing in the same [preseason] setting for the rest of his career?
Do you believe that every team he plays won't adjust to his game for the rest of his career?
You erroneously tried to claim "Giannis has "far far greater physical capabilities" than him... wrong. Giannis is taller and longer.... he does not have anywhere near the "physical capabilities" in your words (your very :mjpls: words might I add) of Zion:
And because Giannis is taller/longer, and can cover distances in a shorter amount of time, and at a greater radius, than Zion can, is why I said he has greater physical capabilities. Just because Zion has a higher vert in relation to his height, doesn't mean the opposite. In this context, Zion isn't capable of doing the things that Giannis can do, yet Giannis can do all the things Zion is capable of doing. And you seem to think that jumping is at a constant in a game when it's not - when both players are in their neutral states, who do you think has the physical advantages?
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Giannis can't make a play like this, no matter how tall or long his arms may be. Because that clip ain't the whole play; Zion started that play running from inside the restricted area, and still covered enough ground horizontally and vertically to block this shot from 3 point range before it was too late. Giannis does not have that level of speed and first step explosion, and he most certainly does not have that level of vertical explosion. Most certainly not at the mass and strength Zion is carrying comparatively.
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The only excuse for saying some nonsense like this is if you haven't seen Giannis play, at all.



In the above clip, Giannis covers more ground, in a shorter period of time than Zion did in the clip you provided - Giannis could replicate that same play at least nine out of 10 times, whereas Zion could perhaps do it once or twice, if he was lucky in timing his jump right.



Zion is not making these plays. And Zion sure as hell ain't making the offensive plays Giannis does either. Talk to me when Zion can gather the ball off a step behind the arc and finish at the rim. Talk to me when Zion can euro his way through traffic and finish over 7-fters. Talk to me when Zion is capable of doing shyt like this...



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I won't argue with you any longer, cause I know it's a waste of time no matter how many times you're proven wrong on stuff like this. My only hope is you don't hit the when you inevitably ARE proven wrong once again like you're known to do on this site... :mjgrin::unimpressed:
This seems to be the go-to lines for muh'fukkas that I embarrass over and over and over and over again.

You're not going to argue with me any longer because you're out of depth, and all the basic-ass shyt you post I was debunking without even needing to lace up, years ago. It's quite clear that you're incapable or not willing to understand what's going on here for whatever reason that you think this is something I can be proven wrong on - this isn't about making a prediction or projection, it's about acknowledging what is - it's a fact that because of Zion's physical dimensions he'll need to expand his scoring skillset, which means he's going to need a jumpshot. Without one, he won't reach the heights that are expected of him. That is a fact.

LeBron, as we know him, wouldn't have been able to exist without one, what makes you think that Zion is going to be any different? No player of wing-size (and smaller) in modern NBA history has been able to.

And for record: If I disappeared all the times I was proven wrong, I'd never have to leave this site. Marinate on that.

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Someone who actually plays ball thinks Zion is legit....

Yet thecoli.com analysts think hes gonna be a bust. :mjlol:

Why do y'all muh'fukkas continue to use this logic?

First of all, virtually no player is going to come out and publicly state that Zion is going to be a bust - just like players don't come out and publicly state their true opinions on players/teams. But most importantly, not every player has the same opinion on everything, so it makes no sense, in this context, to use Zach's opinion just because he plays, because there'll be someone out there who actually plays ball who disagrees with him.

Low hanging fruit here, but was Jordan's record flawless when it came to identifying talent?

Magic Johnson said he would've taken Brandon Knight as the #1 pick in 2011 draft, and you don't think there were folks who said he was going to be a bust (and proven right)? bu-bu-but Magic played the game at the highest level.

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He has great touch around the rim and of course he's excellent athletically but I'm still taking a wait and see approach.
 

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After a short hiatus of disappearing with his tail between his legs, @Gil Scott-Heroin is back once again ruining basketball threads with his pseudo analytic Do Do. :mjlol::lolbron:
 
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Giannis when its all said and done will be a h.o.f., so mention him and Zion in the same sentence is giving props to Zion. Yes Giannis has freakish long arms but Zion has freakish athletic ability and strength
But you see, the point is: folks acknowledge Giannis' limitations because he doesn't have a jumpshot. Now, what I'm trying to get you and others to understand is that, if someone of Giannis stature (where his dimensions and physical abilities allow him to do more things than Zion) is in need of a jumpshot, then why is it so hard for y'all to understand Zion does too?

Giannis will be in the HOF (as meaningless as that accolade is) without a jumpshot, but that doesn't mean Zion will be too.
Yes zion needs to add a jumper (which he already has) but at this point in time he doesnt need to showcase it because no one is stopping him so far
This nonsense about teams needing to stop Zion from scoring in the paint before we should broach the issue of his jumpshot is reductive reasoning, not only in theory, but he's had one dominant [preseason] game against the worst defensive frontcourt in the league, yet failed to have the same type of impact against the Knicks. It's not like he's had 3-4 entire seasons, averaging 25-30+ points, where he's able to score only in the paint, in all types of settings and scenarios.

Also, curious to know why you think he has a jumper, when there's absolutely no evidence that even suggests so?
 
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After a short hiatus of disappearing with his tail between his legs, @Gil Scott-Heroin is back once again ruining basketball threads with his pseudo analytic Do Do. :mjlol::lolbron:
Do Do?

Since you managed to misspell that twice, I know it wasn't by mistake, which I've come to expect from you - misspelling words and running to the thesaurus and using words that don't make grammatical sense to cover up whatever insecurity you have over your lack of intellect.

Oh, by the way, Joe Johnson is still in the league, where's K-Mart?

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If Shaq didn't need a jumpshot, why does Zion need one? says it all about the agenda that is being pushed by folks on this hype train.

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