Zimbabwe adopts Chinese Yuan as legal currency

[Tommy Knocks]

Did you see the quotations marks ?
But if you ask, developing as in the western way : building infrastructure, importing capitalism and new standards (beauty, beliefs, way of life...)


Well Africa as a whole, I don't know. And if "Africa" could sell more than just its resources and could start being an industrial force (like Germany) or a leader in technological advancements (like Japan), things would be better for them as they wouldn't be so dependent to major players.


Rhetorical question obviously.

What I was saying is that the Euros came in Africa with the idea/excuse to "civilize" Africans and imported more than just infrastructures but a whole paradigm (economy, standards, religion etc.) with them. The Chinese don't and simply make moves in order to get their grip on the West left-overs/deceived without any excuse but the will to make more money. Their motives are simply financial and that's why when the prey will have no meat on their bones, they will have no interest in it anymore. At least old pimps had some kind of moral debt to the African countries they colonized and "had to" help when things went sour.

Ultimately Zimbabwe is still a pawn whether it is owned by the West or by the East. And that's why it's not good news.

I almost threw up in my mouth reading this nonsense.

civilized? standard? religion? are you fukking kidding me?

Africa doesnt need ANY outside entity to tell them how to live their life, because of the west and how they curved borders, tribes have been killing each other for almost a century over resources when prior, they themselves had their borders curved. They werent killing in the name of religion.

China has been trading for centuries with its southern neighbors from Philippines to Thailand to Burma, to India hell even to Somalia, note, they never colonized them, and note, they didn't have the same social issues as they did after they ran into the west. I think you should really read into ancient chinese trading. starting from the Song Dynasty. You will get a more honest pictures of how the chinese trade rather than a western assumption. Have you ever wondered why everyone in the area have adopted chinese culture from writing, to clothes, to paper without china ever having to conquer them? Lets just say theres a little hint to that, and it goes with chinese philosophy.

Africa has a long way to become a technological power house, just like china itself isnt there, you are jumping far far too ahead, africa is where china was in the 1980s, and its going to be another 4 decades before it gets to where china is today. I think you should hold your horses before make such bold claims. Give Africa some time.

 

[The Real]

Look THE REAL, people want progress now. You live in America where you can fill your chubby self 24 hours a day, from a variety of cultures. People see how people are living around the world and want it now, so alternatives to get them up to speed with the rest of the world ASAP are better then eating Dirt for dinner. I can tell you've never stuggled. I can tell you dont know what true poverty is. You just looked at it, then went back to the hotel like on some *get me the fukk outta here* type swagger. Yes, this is you. You really need to gain a better understanding of human nature. Right now one offers death and the other offers a chance at infrastructure and education at the cost of some resources. Through education more africans can begin starting businesses in Africa and hopefully put these resources to work but right now, they dont have enough capital to get these things accomplished so they sell what they have, TO GET IT

What should they be doing in your opinion. Telling both people hey the cost of this shyt is super high take it or leave it, right before an assassins bullet pierces their heart? So grown, yet so naive.

I don't think you know much about my life, friend. And I think you know even less about Zimbabwe. I think the first move is to get Mugabe out and replace him with someone who actually cares about the people and their plight. Mugabe has been both personally and politically since at least 2 decades ago, really more.

 

[Leasy]

I almost threw up in my mouth reading this nonsense.

civilized? standard? religion? are you fukking kidding me?

Africa doesnt need ANY outside entity to tell them how to live their life, because of the west and how they curved borders, tribes have been killing each other for almost a century over resources when prior, they themselves had their borders curved. They werent killing in the name of religion.

China has been trading for centuries with its southern neighbors from Philippines to Thailand to Burma, to India hell even to Somalia, note, they never colonized them, and note, they didn't have the same social issues as they did after they ran into the west. I think you should really read into ancient chinese trading. starting from the Song Dynasty. You will get a more honest pictures of how the chinese trade rather than a western assumption. Have you ever wondered why everyone in the area have adopted chinese culture from writing, to clothes, to paper without china ever having to conquer them? Lets just say theres a little hint to that, and it goes with chinese philosophy.

Africa has a long way to become a technological power house, just like china itself isnt there, you are jumping far far too ahead, africa is where china was in the 1980s, and its going to be another 4 decades before it gets to where china is today. I think you should hold your horses before make such bold claims. Give Africa some time.

You my friend know your stuff.

 

[The Real]

China has been trading for centuries with its southern neighbors from Philippines to Thailand to Burma, to India hell even to Somalia, note, they never colonized them, and note, they didn't have the same social issues as they did after they ran into the west. I think you should really read into ancient chinese trading. starting from the Song Dynasty. You will get a more honest pictures of how the chinese trade rather than a western assumption. Have you ever wondered why everyone in the area have adopted chinese culture from writing, to clothes, to paper without china ever having to conquer them? Lets just say theres a little hint to that, and it goes with chinese philosophy.

This is a very Chinese-friendly view of history. The Chinese conquered and annexed Tibet not all that long aqo. Before that, they annexed Mongolia, which eventually found independence. They took over Hong Kong (again) and refused autonomy to Taiwan. They continue to press further into Central Asia, as they have been for the last 200 years, and to demand territory in Myanmar, Thailand, and Vietnam. They even tried to invade India, but were stopped by the Soviets. But that aside, why do you think there are more Chinese people than native Malays in Malaysia and Singapore? China is and has been imperialist.

 

[Northern Son]

I don't think you know much about my life, friend. And I think you know even less about Zimbabwe. I think the first move is to get Mugabe out and replace him with someone who actually cares about the people and their plight. Mugabe has been both personally and politically since at least 2 decades ago, really more.

How these Coli clowns call themselves "pro-black" while supporting a despotic psychopath like Mugabe is beyond me. No objective or sane individual would advocate what he's done. He's ordered the murder of hundreds of thousands (maybe more) of his own people.

In the 80's he had 30,000 Ndebeles (largest minority ethnic group) killed in Matabeleland (three provinces in the western region) killed for more or less just being Ndebele.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

You my friend know your stuff.

I'm half african, and him tellin me, actually triggered anger. The audacity. The fukking audacity. Do you know what King Leopold did to Congo? Are you fukking kidding me? They built Kinshasa not for us, they built it for themselves, same with the railroads, those were all for they could steal resources FOR FREE, and have a place to stash them. The religion part was to enslave us psychologically. Its a form of brainwashing to show superiority. It's a very clever tactic. If we think our god is true, why would we listen to them? We would assume our god is tellling us that they are demons, but if you're able to reverse the role, you've got the minds of the people. They didnt do these things with good intent, you might want to read some of the journals these missionaries sent to King Leopold. I mean are you really fukking serious right now?

The hutus in the east have been a huge thorn in our side, and technically speaking, I can't blame them, the east of our country, has historically been there's, but DRC won't give that up because their are huge diamond mines there. So now you've got a bunch of raiders from the jungle tearing shyt up and causing civil unrest. They do the same in Rwanda, who do you think committed genocide there? Hutus! They are a nomadic people, I feel bad for them because technically, they're not nomadic, but since there's a huge line drawn where their home is, it appears like they just go back and forth between countries.

Now had china met us first, with their lets trade no hands on approach, none of this would happen. Which would you prefer. I knock on your door to sell you some cookies, but before I do so, I tell you to clean your kitchen, get a bigger TV, and replace your carpet with wood OR would you prefer I just sell you the god damn cookies and go about my merry little way? Who am I to tell you what to do with your home? who the fukk am I? that's for you to figure out, its called evolution and you have to evolve on your own terms just like the west had to do, just like everyone had to do. IF not, they'll be dependent forever. (surprise!).

As someone that is african, has studied chinese history, and I most def know about the west, I can see from outside in, and know who is doing what. and most africans will tell you, they MUCH prefer the chinese hands off approach. They are trading (not stealing) and proper infrastructure is being built, and most importantly, they are TEACHING the africans how to build and maintain their infrastructure. The west never did that, thats why when they left, the buildings just rotted.

 

[Leasy]

I'm half african, and him tellin me, actually triggered anger. The audacity. The fukking audacity. Do you know what King Leopard did to Congo? Are you fukking kidding me? They built Kinshasa not for us, they built it for themselves, same with the railroads, those were all for they could steal resources FOR FREE, and have a place to stash them. The religion part was to enslave us psychologically. Its a form of brainwashing to show superiority. It's a very clever tactic. If we think our god is true, why would we listen to them? We would assume our god is tellling us that they are demons, but if you're able to reverse the role, you've got the minds of the people. They didnt do these things with good intent, you might want to read some of the journals these missionaries sent to King Leopard. I mean are you really fukking serious right now?

The hutus in the east have been a huge thorn in our side, and technically speaking, I can't blame them, the east of our country, has historically been there's, but DRC won't give that up because their are huge diamond mines there. So now you've got a bunch of raiders from the jungle tearing shyt up and causing civil unrest. They do the same in Rwanda, who do you think committed genocide there? Hutus! They are a nomadic people, I feel bad for them because technically, they're not nomadic, but since there's a huge line drawn where their home is, it appears like they just go back and forth between countries.

Now had china met us first, with their lets trade no hands on approach, none of this would happen. Which would you prefer. I knock on your door to sell you some cookies, but before I do so, I tell you to clean your kitchen, get a bigger TV, and replace your carpet with wood OR would you prefer I just sell you the god damn cookies and go about my merry little way? Who am I to tell you what to do with your home? who the fukk am I? that's for you to figure out, its called evolution and you have to evolve on your own terms just like the west had to do, just like everyone had to do. IF not, they'll be dependent forever. (surprise!).

As someone that is african, has studied chinese history, and I most def know about the west, I can see from outside in, and know who is doing what. and most africans will tell you, they MUCH prefer the chinese hands off approach. They are trading (not stealing) and proper infrastructure is being built, and most importantly, they are TEACHING the africans how to build and maintain their infrastructure. The west never did that, thats why when they left, the buildings just rotted.

Kind of crazy because it my political class in college I did a report on Botswana and I started seeing the China influence in Africa as a whole and how America was causing rifts in Africa because of this. I believe Botswana Government had issues with the parties because America wanted to build a base there but why when you don't have any need there. China is the number one trading etc... In that country.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

This is a very Chinese-friendly view of history. The Chinese conquered and annexed Tibet not all that long aqo. Before that, they annexed Mongolia, which eventually found independence. They took over Hong Kong (again) and refused autonomy to Taiwan. They continue to press further into Central Asia, as they have been for the last 200 years, and to demand territory in Myanmar, Thailand, and Vietnam. They even tried to invade India, but were stopped by the Soviets. But that aside, why do you think there are more Chinese people than native Malays in Malaysia and Singapore? China is and has been imperialist.

This is a very western friendly view. How would you like it if I gave you a chinese view on american history? would make no sense.

First off, Tibet, HK and Taiwan are historically chinese. Do you know how HK came about? Taiwan? becaue you even mentioning it this way leads me to believe you do not. Hong Kong was stolen by the British, Taiwan is where Chiang fled and made it a new country. Think of it like during the amerian civil war, the yankees flee to Hawaii and turn it into a new country. YOU CANT fukkING DO THAT. HELLO. You think america would just allow that? fukk no.

China didn't invade India, India invaded China, um, I dont know what you're talking about because THEY DID have a war in 1962, and China got it's land back. Even the Indians know this to be true. Myanmar and Vietnam? There's no beef with Vietnam and Burma I believe have also been squashed, the problem is when the british came into the picture, they 'inched' their way into chinese territorites when they were carving the south neighbors borders. Prior to that, there was never any border dispute, just border skirmishes which all countries have, but for the most they all respected each other borders, it wasnt until the British left, and showed the international community a map, that china was like "wtf".

Here's a little illustration to show you how the west PURPOSELY fukked with chinese borders, even in china itself. (theyve done this world wide, see Africa)

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Kind of crazy because it my political class in college I did a report on Botswana and I started seeing the China influence in Africa as a whole and how America was causing rifts in Africa because of this. I believe Botswana Government had issues with the parties because America wanted to build a base there but why when you don't have any need there. China is the number one trading etc... In that country.

Botswana is doing real good I hear. One of the best economies on the continent. Botswana was one of the first to welcome China, and many african countries see Botswana as a prophecy as to how their country will look in the future.

Now you did a report on Botswana, was there any rift between the chinese (outside isolated incidents)? now that Botswana is almost complete, how do they see their country? are they happy with the outcome?

 

[Leasy]

Botswana is doing real good I hear. One of the best economies on the continent. Botswana was one of the first to welcome China, and many african countries see Botswana as a prophecy as to how their country will look in the future.

Now you did a report on Botswana, was there any rift between the chinese (outside isolated incidents)? now that Botswana is almost complete, how do they see their country? are they happy with the outcome?

Botswana government had rifts within because some parties wanted to invite America in (like are you kidding me) and some didn't. I first started with a look at the economy (goods,etc..) and seen China all over the impact is amazing and Botswana has no problems what so ever with China. I actually like what Botswana doing as a country because they are making education the number one focus which will create longevity and success in the future and China is footing the bill. They been partners for over 3 to 4 decades and I assume the impact been showing the past decade because of China economic growth.

 

[Nino Brown]

Not ideal but it's a step in the right direction as Zimbabwe attempts to recover from the economic sanctions placed on them.

The Yuan CYN is not alone, the following currencies are also legal and being used in Zimbabwe ( I believe) South African Rand, Botswana Pula, British Sterling, Euro, United States Dollar, Australian Dollar (AUD),Indian Rupee (INR) and Japanese Yen (JPY)

It's what happens when a country doesn't have its own currency

America seems to shyt its pants though at anything China is doing along with some c00ns

It's bad news for local trading in Zimbabwe but makes foreign trade easier.

When fully back up on its feet I'm sure Zimbabwe will once again have its own currency.

The one undeniably good thing Mugabe did was ensure excellent education standards for Zimbabweans so you'd like to think they'll be alright in the long term

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Botswana government had rifts within because some parties wanted to invite America in (like are you kidding me) and some didn't. I first started with a look at the economy (goods,etc..) and seen China all over the impact is amazing and Botswana has no problems what so ever with China. I actually like what Botswana doing as a country because they are making education the number one focus which will create longevity and success in the future and China is footing the bill. They been partners for over 3 to 4 decades and I assume the impact been showing the past decade because of China economic growth.

Yea I heard about the Botswana International Science and Technology University being built (not sure if its done yet)

Going to be the first of it's kind outside of South Africa. Impressive!

People over here talking about Africa being like Germany, wtf, let them build a god damn university first. ffs!

edit: lookin good.
http://www.biust.ac.bw/

Its so refreshing to see the steps being made. People always want to talk about what africa should do, and then when africa starts doing it, "oh it aint shyt compared to germany, oh damn that little ass university? oh they only have one?" yea because you know children just turn into a world class sprinters right out of the womb, there's no crawling, walking then running. The fact that africa is crawling, and we SEE it happening, makes me VERY happy. Just a decade ago, we couldnt have imagined it, so many wars, so many problems, people talked about what africa could be, how it should be, and now we are seeing it come into fruitation thanks to the chinese. The west had 100 years to get shyt crackin, and they didnt. The chinese barely came into the picture 20 years ago and look whats happening.

fukk what the west thinks, we can see it with our VERY OWN EYES now. GTFO with that bullshyt. The propaganda aint gonna work

Assuming africa's growth will stop in 10 years. (they said that about china in the 80s), western haterism and wishful thinking.

wait and see.

 

[The Real]

This is a very western friendly view. How would you like it if I gave you a chinese view on american history? would make no sense.

First off, Tibet, HK and Taiwan are historically chinese. Do you know how HK came about? Taiwan? becaue you even mentioning it this way leads me to believe you do not. Hong Kong was stolen by the British, Taiwan is where Chiang fled and made it a new country. Think of it like during the amerian civil war, the yankees flee to Hawaii and turn it into a new country. YOU CANT fukkING DO THAT. HELLO. You think america would just allow that? fukk no.

China didn't invade India, India invaded China, um, I dont know what you're talking about because THEY DID have a war in 1962, and China got it's land back. Even the Indians know this to be true. Myanmar and Vietnam? There's no beef with Vietnam and Burma I believe have also been squashed, the problem is when the british came into the picture, they 'inched' their way into chinese territorites when they were carving the south neighbors borders. Prior to that, there was never any border dispute, just border skirmishes which all countries have, but for the most they all respected each other borders, it wasnt until the British left, and showed the international community a map, that china was like "wtf".

Here's a little illustration to show you how the west PURPOSELY fukked with chinese borders, even in china itself. (theyve done this world wide, see Africa)

I'm not talking any pro-Western shyt whatsoever. I have no interest in praising Western colonialism, and I fully agree with you about the West's place in Chinese history. But there's still some points that needs to be addressed.

First of all, Tibet was not historically part of China. That is pure Chinese propaganda. They are a distinct people with their own language and culture and originally had their own borders since the 7th century's Tibetan Empire unified the region. If anything, Tibet's statehood was owed to Mongols. And during the Mongol reign, parts of China actually paid tribute to Tibet, not the other way around. Eventually, the empire crumbled and things changed, but the only parts of Tibet China ever truly controlled were the eastern regions, and only sporadically, which obviously doesn't equate to the whole country. Modern China as a state lay claim to Tibet, which Tibet couldn't get around for geopolitical and colonial reasons. In short, the idea of a Tibet completely under China's control historically is a pure myth. Chinese government agencies actually pay historians to support their claim by writing propaganda. If you read some of the Chinese books, they're laughable- they claim Tibetans were cannibalistic barbarians before the Chinese "civilized" them and other outlandish shyt that isn't supported by mainstream historians.

Secondly, imperialism includes retaking land that was "yours" ages ago- the establishment of Israel, for example, was a colonial enterprise, not some rightful retaking of land. I put "yours" in quotes because in the case of China, the last empire and China as a nation state are two separate entities, so the idea that modern China retaking HK, for example, is justified in the name of Qing China doesn't really make sense, especially when HK wasn't really interested in "re-joining" but was coerced.

I'll address the other stuff later when I have time.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

If Africa was really in the good place yall are making it out to be you wouldn't be supporting imperialists on some 'anybody but cacs'...comes across as desperate.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I'm not talking any pro-Western shyt whatsoever. I have no interest in praising Western colonialism, and I fully agree with you about the West's place in Chinese history. But there's still some points that needs to be addressed.

First of all, Tibet was not historically part of China. That is pure Chinese propaganda. They are a distinct people with their own language and culture and originally had their own borders since the 7th century's Tibetan Empire unified the region. If anything, Tibet's statehood was owed to Mongols. And during the Mongol reign, parts of China actually paid tribute to Tibet, not the other way around. Eventually, the empire crumbled and things changed, but the only parts of Tibet China ever truly controlled were the eastern regions, and only sporadically, which obviously doesn't equate to the whole country. Modern China as a state lay claim to Tibet, which Tibet couldn't get around for geopolitical and colonial reasons. In short, the idea of a Tibet completely under China's control historically is a pure myth. Chinese government agencies actually pay historians to support their claim by writing propaganda. If you read some of the Chinese books, they're laughable- they claim Tibetans were cannibalistic barbarians before the Chinese "civilized" them and other outlandish shyt that isn't supported by mainstream historians.

When it comes to Tibet, I'll have to agree with you on that. But you failed to mention how Tibet was a part of the Qing Empire.

Secondly, imperialism includes retaking land that was "yours" ages ago- the establishment of Israel, for example, was a colonial enterprise, not some rightful retaking of land. I put "yours" in quotes because in the case of China, the last empire and China as a nation state are two separate entities, so the idea that modern China retaking HK, for example, is justified in the name of Qing China doesn't really make sense, especially when HK wasn't really interested in "re-joining" but was coerced.

Again, you're viewing this from a western/colonial point of view, and that just can't work. I'll give you Tibet because they are a different people, tribe so to speak, but when it comes to HK, HK are cantonese and they've always been Hans. It would be like west germany and east germany, or north korea vs south korea, rather than a colonial example. HK was under contract, the british knew they would have to give back HK after 100 yrs, and they did. Taiwanese themselves know that they stole that island (Hawaii example) and that eventually china would acquire it's land and people back.

Tibet is interesting because the richer China grows, the less they talk about separating. Money talks. And more and more the Dalai Lama is realizing that perhaps its in Tibets interests to remain with china rather than having to fend for itself. Taiwan is a much more complex topic, and I typically reserve that discussion between them. I dated a taiwanese girl last spring, and she wants taiwan to remain independent, she knows she is chinese/hans, but she also knowss what her people did in the past.

I fail to see how this ties to Africa. China is acquring land that was historically there's for thousands of years, not far away land with people of a different race.