"Zahi Hawass has put to bed Afrocentric claims that the Ancient Egyptians were black Africans"

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Ancient Egypt was like America.....you have Americans of every color just like Egypt did.

There were Pharoahs blacker than the ace of spades, brown-skinned Pharaohs and even some white-ish ones at the end.

Egypt was mostly brown/black but got invaded numerous times.

The narrative is that Africa didn't produce anything so Egypt gets treated like its some separate entity. Italy and Greece created much of what white culture is today while northern Europe was savage and backwards.....yet we never hear whites talk about Italy/Greece like they are on a different continent.
 

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That’s what I think too. People want to place modern day socio constructs into the past. Egypt was the cosmopolitan city of its time.

It became "cosmopolitan" over time, and this only happened in the North in the fertile Delta region towards the late period. This subsequently is when the culture and civilization was on the decline. After Ramses III, Kemet pretty much went into the hands of Set worshipping bandits minus the Nubian 25th dynasty.

People would’ve traveled there. Race wasn’t a thing back then let alone racism.

I did a breakdown on the situation here;
The Breakdown of African Civilization

HAPI VALLEY CIVILIZATION WAS THE LAST BLACK STRONGHOLD OF THE WORLD'S ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS
Since the first non black (mixed) group were recorded (the Hyksos) shortly after the release of the Tamahu from their imprisonment in the caves of the Caucus (2,000 BC) the ancient Bronze Age civilizations were thrust into seemingly endless race wars of control of ancient Atlantean knowledge. The civilizations originally founded by African migrants outside of Africa like Mesopotamia, Indus Valley, Minoan, China etc were overran by the depigmented mutants, who today pretend to have always owned them (similar to how black cultures in the US were and are still overran and usurped like Rock n Roll, Hip hop, Dub Step etc etc). Kemet and most importantly Nubia were the last bastions of black domination in the ancient World. For around 1,000 years after the Hyksos, Kemet essentially had to become imperial to protect itself from inevitably being swallowed by white barbarians who continuously tried to attack. Kemet never lost to these Asiatics, and amassed a substantial number of prisoners of war. As is traditional in African customs these POW's were eventually freed into the Kemetic society. These non black POW's particularly in the north in the Delta had began to be overrun the region. Through willing submission and fake loyalty to the culture these non black leaches essentially became the gate keepers in the civilization just by their proxy location at Kemet's northern entrance.


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Ramses II

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Ramses II - Sea Peoples - via Libya
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RAMSES III
Kemet's Last Great Pharaoh


Ramses III was the last pharaoh of Kemet to have unwavering authority over both northern and southern Kemet. No natives thought to challenge his rule, and as such black unification was in place in the face of albinoid danger. This examples shows that without the element of surprise or deception the Albinoids did not stand a chance in a head on battle against an organized melaninated army. Below is an exert from the divine book by Cheikh Anta Diop African Origins of Civilization that details the major Battle between Ramses III's all black army and the Indo-Aryan/Kakasoid Sea Peoples (discussed in sections above) who overran all adjacent areas of the Mediterranean.

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"This lasted until Setnekht created the Twentieth Dynasty (1200). After he had reigned for two years, his son, Ramses III, succeeded him under extremely difficult conditions. He had to face a new invasion of "sea peoples," by land and sea, especially by the Palestinian Philistines...... The most formidable coalition ever witnessed during Antiquity was formed against the Egyptians. It comprised the whole group of white-skinned peoples who had been unstable since the first migrations in the thirteenth century; . . . .. . Thanks to superior organization, the Egyptian armed forces scored a dual victory, on land and sea, over that second alliance. The fleet of the "Peoples of the North" was entirely destroyed and the invasion route through the Delta was cut. At the same time a third coalition of the same white-skinned Indo-Aryans was being assembled, again in Libya, against the Black Egyptian nation.


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Yet, this was not a racial conflict in the modern sense. To be sure, the two hostile groups were fully conscious of their ethnic and racial differences, but it was much more a question of the great movement of disinherited peoples of the north toward richer and more advanced countries. Ramses III demolished that third coalition as he had destroyed the first two. ...... Such was invariably the procedure for acclimating white-skinned persons in Egypt, a process that became especially widespread during the low period. By bearing this in mind, we may avoid attributing a purely imaginary role to people who contributed absolutely nothing to Egyptian civilization. Ramses III then carried his defense to Phoenicia (Djahi, in Ancient Egyptian9), on the northern frontier of the Egyptian Empire. He took personal command of the fleet and, near the Palestinian coast, he annihilated the fourth coalition in 1191 B.C.E

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This disaster was unprecedented; the enemy fleet was totally destroyed to prevent its escape. A new slave labor force was now available. But he could not import an entire people into Egypt. So he settled them on the very land where they had been defeated. This was the origin of the Philistines. The "sea peoples" were definitely demoralized after that setback. Yet, we can understand, after all those upheavals, to what extent the ancient ethnic groups must have been disrupted all around the Mediterranean, except for Egypt which alone had been able to repulse the Indo-Aryan invasion. Meanwhile, the Libyans in the western part of the Delta, were organizing still another coalition, the fifth directed against the Black Egyptian nation by the Indo-Europeans. Ramses III defeated them at Memphis in 1188 B.C.E After that date the White Libyans never again revolted against Egypt, but they tried by every possible means to infiltrate peacefully and to settle there as serfs or semi-serfs, working at various kinds of manual labor, as farmers or artisans, especially in the Delta.

These people, whose alien slave origin was obvious, would gradually be freed by Egyptian law. Later, some would become notables as a reward for "loyal" services to the Egyptian ruler. Yet, their slave origin would never be forgotten by the true Egyptian national, even when they took advantage of troubled periods to exercise control of a given district in the Delta where military command had been entrusted to them by the Pharaoh. We shall see how these foreign elements, who felt no real sentimental attachment to Egyptian soil, were to undermine political mores beginning with Psammetichus. To protect the country against invasion, Ramses III had to resort to conscription, drafting one Egyptian national out of ten (cf. Pirenne, II, 476). Because of their immunity, we do not know whether this measure was applicable to the temple properties. Since Ramses II, Libyans and other White foreigners who were recruited into the auxiliary armed services had farmed land belonging to the royal domain, of which the well-informed Egyptian administration kept a strict accounting. To prevent their flight in troubled periods, Ramses III had them all branded with the seal of the local administration. This old Egyptian practice leaves no doubt about their slave status, whether they were farmers in peacetime or enrolled in the auxiliary forces in time of war. Authors often misuse the term "mercenaries" to designate those who were, in fact, slaves bearing the indelible mark of their royal master. . . . The Egyptian army was losing its nationality. It was rapidly becoming a force of free mercenaries or semi-slaves commanded by national officers; only the high command and a few detachments of archers remained Egyptian (cf. Pirenne, II, 477). This procedure reached its climax under the Libyan usurpers of the Twenty-sixth Dynasty, more precisely, under Psammetichus."

-The African Origins of Civilization -Cheikh Anta Diop
It is also apparent that Caucasians saw it as better to live in our African system among our people that they were willing first to get killed in battle trying to gain entrance, and then rather than going back to their all white Utopia they actually offered to relegate themselves to a low social status just to live among us. According to the actions of Caucasians it was better for whites to live at our feet than it is for them to stand on their own. For these reasons I ignore their current proclamations of supremacy!

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Since 1765 B.C.E. (a mere 235 years after they were released from the caves) when the treacherous mixed race Set worshiping Hyksos were allowed into Kemet, these Typhonians/Devils (their original name) have signaled nothing more than war and chaos to the World as was stated by the ancient Kemites. This constant state of war that suddenly began to characterize civilizations is the beginning of a World War between white and black.The Kemites according to Dr. Chancellor Williams trusted these non black foreigners enough to allow them into the African kingdom known as the "black land" slowly. This process began to amalgamate the population in the Northern most region around the Delta. This trust lead to a catastrophe for our people.
 

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No one would’ve had the baggage of the racial tension from today.

Again white people were banned from Kemet until the Late Period when the Greeks took.

Black Africans would’ve been interacting with Middle Eastern groups and Mediterranean Euros who lived in Southern Europe and areas on the northern coast in Africa like Tunisia and Libya.

All of the regions were Black until the white nomads left the caves and usurped the original Black cultures created fixed mixed race populations ("Semites").

What I think happened is somewhere around 5,000 B.C. the Sahara Desert dried and caused Africans to spread out to other areas with water access. Some Africans found the Nile Valley. Small civilizations started to form. In the Southern/Upper region, it was heavily black as thats going towards Nubia and interior Africa. In the Northern/ Lower region, it was mixed since it’s next to the Arabian Peninsula and close enough for people from Libya and the Mediterranean part of Europe to access.

The populations of early dynastic Lower Kemet were Black Africans with tropically adapted body plans (which means that since Egypt is in the Sub tropics that the population would have had to have came from further south in the African interior).

"..sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans." (Barry Kemp, "Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation. (2005) Routledge. p. 52-60)

I think Narmer, the first Pharoah, united both parts of Egypt and it was majority black or at least black in a modern sense for a good period of time but, since it was a desert to the south of Egypt that was hard to travel through but, just land and ocean to the north, more non-black groups started to move in over the course of time.

There is no evidence of non Black people in the pre-dynastic period. What basis do you have to assume to this?

Including nations wanting to wage war. People want Egypt to represent something instead of accepting what was likely reality. It probably resembled Brazil moreso than Nigeria.

That is absolutely bullshyt. That is a white liberals view. Ancient Kemet was a Bantu civilization, and it's people overwhelmingly lived along the Nubian border, where the people are still all Black to this date. The civilization allowed foreigners into the northern region starting largely around the New Kingdom, and that region of foreigners began to become the population center. As more Asiatic invasions into Kemet came the original Bantu-Nilotic peoples who created the culture in the south eventually migrated back into Nubia (where they originally came) and eventually into interior Africa.

On this basis, many have postulated that the Badarians are relatives to South African populations (Morant, 1935 G. Morant, A study of predynastic Egyptian skulls from Badari based on measurements taken by Miss BN Stoessiger and Professor DE Derry, Biometrika 27 (1935), pp. 293–309.Morant, 1935; Mukherjee et al., 1955; Irish and Konigsberg, 2007). The archaeological evidence points to this relationship as well. (Hassan, 1986) and (Hassan, 1988) noted similarities between Badarian pottery and the Neolithic Khartoum type, indicating an archaeological affinity among Badarians and Africans from more southern regions. Furthermore, like the Badarians, Naqada has also been classified with other African groups, namely the Teita (Crichton, 1996; Keita, 1990).

Nutter (1958) noted affinities between the Badarian and Naqada samples, a feature that Strouhal (1971) attributed to their skulls possessing “Negroid” traits. Keita (1992), using craniometrics, discovered that the Badarian series is distinctly different from the later Egyptian series, a conclusion that is mostly confirmed here. In the current analysis, the Badari sample more closely clusters with the Naqada sample and the Kerma sample. However, it also groups with the later pooled sample from Dynasties XVIII–XXV.

The reoccurring notation of Kerma affinities with Egyptian groups is not entirely surprising. Kerma was an integral part of the trade between Egypt and Nubia.
-- Godde K. (2009) An Examination of Nubian and Egyptian biological distances: Support for biological diffusion or in situ development? Homo. 2009;60(5):389-404.
Still “black” in a modern sense but mixed. You would’ve had darkskin people, mixed biracial people and non-black Semitic people. The last fully black era of Egypt would’ve been King Tut and his family. I think shortly after his dynasty is when the invasions began. Persians. Assyrians. Greeks. Romans. And finally, the Arabs. After all of that it went from being a black and multi racial kingdom to being completely Arabic.

Stop the bullshyt nikka. They Congolese wide nostril nikkas.

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Why are you talking about pre-dynastic Egypt when we’re clearly talking about dynastic Egypt :snoop:

I’m not gonna quote anymore of your nonsense. If you really want to believe every dynasty in Egypt was 100% black, go right ahead. You obviously need that fantasy for whatever reason.
 

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Why are you talking about pre-dynastic Egypt when we’re clearly talking about dynastic Egypt :snoop:

I’m not gonna quote anymore of your nonsense. If you really want to believe every dynasty in Egypt was 100% black, go right ahead. You obviously need that fantasy for whatever reason.

Pre-Dynastic Kemet is what lead directly into Narmer's first dynasty. Learning the biological affinities of those who created the culture that was the basis of the civilization is essential wouldn't you think? Non Black people were seen as lesser. The only people allowed into the after live according to the Book of Life (what the Bible is heavily based on) were the Kemites and other Africans. They ranked men based on their level of consciousness, and the other Africans were always shown alongside the ancient Kemites in their ranking. Non Blacks were relegated into the northern "tourist" area, while the real people who housed the culture were overwhelmingly concentrated in the South along the Nubian border. Non Blacks had no place in the culture.
 

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The average egyptian today is analogous to the modern American cac. They aren't the indigenous people, and the artwork found in tombs clearly disproves any assertions that egyptians were anything other than black(by modern standards) people.

Aint no "debate" when they got statues with nikkaz that look like Tyler Perry and pictures of artwork with people with afro and dark skin.
I think it's more like your average Latino. To say there's absolutely no indigenous blood in modern Egyptians is unrealistic. It's just really diluted.
 

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I think it's more like your average Latino. To say there's absolutely no indigenous blood in modern Egyptians is unrealistic. It's just really diluted.


Not one genetic study has found any primary affinity with modern Egyptians when compared to ancient Kemites. The Bantu-Niger-Congo populations of interior Africa however have been found to be the closest to them.

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Not one genetic study has found any primary affinity with modern Egyptians when compared to ancient Kemites. The Bantu-Niger-Congo populations of interior Africa however have been found to be the closest to them.

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:usure: not Horn of Africa which geographically closer?
 

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Hell they couldn’t have even been a mixture of the two because Arabs (or at least the Caucasoid ones that we’re familiar with now) ain’t even that old to begin with and didn’t really appear til around 6,000 years ago (conveniently around the time Cacs came into existence)....Compare that to 10,000 years of Dynastic Kemet with 90,000+ years of Pre-Dynastic Kemet and the fact that Black People were the first to walk on this Earth more than 200,000 years ago and it’s easy to do the math.

Plus the Ancient Egyptians never went extinct. This ain’t directed at you but everybody including Black folks need to stop treating them like they were some mysterious race of people that suddenly vanished after 525 BCE and realize that they were a multitude of African ethnicities or “tribes” and they can be found in many groups within East Africa, West-Central Africa, North Africa, Southern Africa, and even within the Diaspora to this very day. The Kushytes/Nubians too as a matter of fact, you can look to India, Arabia, and East Africa to find their descendants.

Some good books on this subject are:

God wills the Negro by Theodore P. Ford

Exiled Egyptians
by Moustafa Gadalla

Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cushyte Empire by Drusilla Dunjee Houston

When The World Was Black Pt. 1 and 2 by Dr. Supreme Understanding

Egyptian Language by Dr. Clyde Winters

Nile Valley History and the Rigveda by Dr. Clyde Winters

The Kushytes: Who, What, When, Where by Dr. Clyde Winters

Black Man of the Nile and His Family by Dr. Ben Jochannan

Sacred Symbols of the Dogon by Laird Scranton
Most West Africans don't claim Egyptian nor the DNA studies prove it. Dark skin Egyptians and Sudanese are the direct descendants and they still live in Egypt
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I know you're well meaning, but what you said is erasing these people- real Egyptians- even more
 

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Isn’t it an open secret they use whitening dyes on the findings?
 
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