"Zahi Hawass has put to bed Afrocentric claims that the Ancient Egyptians were black Africans"

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Yup. Many folks don’t know that the original Romans and Greeks were Black people (these would be your Mycenaeans, Minoans, Cretans, etc., etc.) and both Mediterranean societies were/are often associated with Cacs weren’t even a factor in said societies until several thousand years later. Initially, it wasn’t so much the Greeks stealing certain aspects from Kemet but rather, those aspects were always there thanks to the Black folks who take these aspects with them into those lands, especially since a lot of them were part of the Greater Kushyte Empire. In fact, those statues you see nowadays depicting the Ancient Greeks and their deities aren’t even more than what? 200 years old? They’ve been radiocarbon dated to around that time.
Common man! How could you really believe that bullshyt? We claim other people civilizations but how come their accomplishments in technologies, commerce, trade, constructions, laws, institutions benefited white people or others? Everybody except black Africans. What’s next, that the hainu in Japan were black? Get off tha bullshyt!
 

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Don’t argue with the foolish and get riled up by the retarded breh.

Yup. Many folks don’t know that the original Romans and Greeks were Black people (these would be your Mycenaeans, Minoans, Cretans, etc., etc.) and both Mediterranean societies were/are often associated with Cacs weren’t even a factor in said societies until several thousand years later. Initially, it wasn’t so much the Greeks stealing certain aspects from Kemet but rather, those aspects were always there thanks to the Black folks who take these aspects with them into those lands, especially since a lot of them were part of the Greater Kushyte Empire. In fact, those statues you see nowadays depicting the Ancient Greeks and their deities aren’t even more than what? 200 years old? They’ve been radiocarbon dated to around that time.

Calls somebody dumb then goes on to say the Greeks were black :snoop: Mycenaean Greece was like 1500 to 1200 B.C. That’s the time of the Trojan War. Them crackas were not black. Why would they be black but call Egyptians burnt faces at the same time. Think dumbass.

That’s way way far back, if you go far back enough everyone is black.. Greeks and Romans have been white for thousands and thousands of years, let them have their fakkit culture.

Exactly. These dudes don’t know basic history and aren’t specifying what time frame they’re referring to. They just writing whatever which is hotep nonsense. Yea, if you go back 20,000 years ago, everyone was black but somehow in their heads that means they were black still in 2,000 B.C. You can’t talk history in here since they take someone wanting to be correct as disrespect.
 

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Most likely the early Ancient Egyptians looked like Ethiopians, Eritreans, Somalians but Egypt has been invaded so many times so some of the dynasties were ran by different types of people. The Egyptians today are basically admixture from all the invasions.
 

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Crazy how the world and western world try their best to downplay African history. Otherwise, their BS pseudoscience nonsense of us being savages and only being slaves doesn't fly.

Some madness. This world is ridiculous.
 

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I personally took this pic at the Met in New York City. The Ancient Egyptians are clearly trying to show there were Arabic groups (yellow skin tone) there. This would be your Asiatic Middle Eastern groups. Then they showed dark skin people. This is your Nubians and your Egyptians from Upper Egypt. Then they show reddish brown skin tone people. This is them showing many Egyptians were a mixture of the two. Egypt was not 100% black. Anybody telling you this is an Afrocentric Hotep. The Nile Valley is situated between three continents so it would’ve been a mostly black kingdom with a large multi ethnic population. There’s no need to lie and spread falsehoods. It’s lame and corny.

I agree, I would think that Egypt was probably around 50 to 60% black with various minority groups filling out the rest of the population
 

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Calls somebody dumb then goes on to say the Greeks were black :snoop: Mycenaean Greece was like 1500 to 1200 B.C. That’s the time of the Trojan War. Them crackas were not black. Why would they be black but call Egyptians burnt faces at the same time. Think dumbass.



Exactly. These dudes don’t know basic history and aren’t specifying what time frame they’re referring to. They just writing whatever which is hotep nonsense. Yea, if you go back 20,000 years ago, everyone was black but somehow in their heads that means they were black still in 2,000 B.C. You can’t talk history in here since they take someone wanting to be correct as disrespect.


Nah the foundation of the Neolithic (farming) and all civilization was Black African. The race wars and usurpation of the ones outside of Africa is simply more covered up then Kemet’s case. European scholars have long acknowledged this.

"The Mediterranean Race

"(1.) The primitive populations of Europe, after Homo Neandertkalensis, originated in Africa; these constituted the entire population of Neolithic times.
(2.) The basin of the Mediterranean was the chief centre of movement whence the African migrations reached the centre and the north of Europe.
(8.) The two classic civilisations, Greek and Latin; were not Aryan, but Mediterranean. The Aryans were savages when they invaded Europe: they destroyed in part the superior civilisation of the Neolithic populations, and could not have created the Greco-Latin civilization""


G. SERGI.

ROME, Feoruary, 1901."
 
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Arguing about whether a group was “Black” before we’d solidified racial categories is foolish.

The only thing that matters is ethnicity, tribe and nationality.

And I’m not sure what would lead someone to believe that we could even fully define the ethnic composition of ancient kingdoms and nations that were along popular trade routes and were known for being cosmopolitan.
 

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Common man! How could you really believe that bullshyt?

What history have you studied?

We claim other people civilizations but how come their accomplishments in technologies, commerce, trade, constructions, laws, institutions benefited white people or others?

The foundation of all civilizations on Earth came from Africans migrating out of the drying phases of the Sahara desert between 8-6 thousand years ago. These African civilizations were eventually overran by non Blacks.

Everybody except black Africans. What’s next, that the hainu in Japan were black? Get off tha bullshyt!

The Ainu people of the Japan are the original people of Japan, and are of the same strain as aboriginal Australians and early Native Americans. These people are said to be the source of many "ancient" Japanese traditions including that of the Samuri.

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You agree with what evidence?

The painting. I've seen many other paintings. They are consistent in showing a variety of people. What do you say about the painting? How do you explain it? If it was as you say it was then there should be no non-Africans at all, but there obviously are.

People need to understand that migration has been a thing for 100,000 years or more. Multicultural societies too. Nobody should be surprised if a place like Egypt where life was easy and harvests were bountiful should have attracted migrants from all over. You go to Egypt and you know the Nile floods every year and you know you have got a guaranteed crop every year. You know you can put food on your table every day without having to struggle for it. Beats the hell out of living hand to mouth in the middle of the Arabian desert not knowing where your next meal is coming from. Surviving off date fruits and insects and rats and shyt. Why would somebody not want to move to Egypt?

It was the America of the Bronze Age. Look at how many different people have migrated to the US. It's because of the opportunity that it provides. All those temples and pyramids and obelisks must have demanded enormous labour forces to construct. Those labourers need feeding, 1 to 1 ratio every construction worker needed a farmer working full time to feed the both of them. And then there had to be teamsters and sailors to transport harvested grain from the countryside to the city. Then you need people who process grain into food. You need lawmen to keep all of this in line. You need soldiers to expand the borders. You need miners down in the quarries digging up marble and sandstone for the construction projects. You need import/export people to travel to Lebanon and Cyprus to buy cedar wood, which doesn't grow in Egypt and is the best wood for building. They swap surplus agricultural produce to get the other materials Egypt needs. And that's how word spreads. Not only does Egypt have millions and millions of jobs in all these industries, it also has so much food that they're trading it. So I ask you again, how can anybody think that a country with such huge opportunities would not be hugely attractive to migrants?

If I'm living in west Asia or southeastern Europe today and I can't get a job I'm moving to America to find work, and I'm settling there, I'm marrying an American and having children and they're having grandchildren and they will all contribute to changing the ethnic make-up of the US. You think migrants weren't doing that in Egypt too?
 
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I agree, I would think that Egypt was probably around 50 to 60% black with various minority groups filling out the rest of the population

That’s what I think too. People want to place modern day socio constructs into the past. Egypt was the cosmopolitan city of its time. People would’ve traveled there. Race wasn’t a thing back then let alone racism. No one would’ve had the baggage of the racial tension from today. Black Africans would’ve been interacting with Middle Eastern groups and Mediterranean Euros who lived in Southern Europe and areas on the northern coast in Africa like Tunisia and Libya. What I think happened is somewhere around 5,000 B.C. the Sahara Desert dried and caused Africans to spread out to other areas with water access. Some Africans found the Nile Valley. Small civilizations started to form. In the Southern/Upper region, it was heavily black as thats going towards Nubia and interior Africa. In the Northern/ Lower region, it was mixed since it’s next to the Arabian Peninsula and close enough for people from Libya and the Mediterranean part of Europe to access. I think Narmer, the first Pharoah, united both parts of Egypt and it was majority black or at least black in a modern sense for a good period of time but, since it was a desert to the south of Egypt that was hard to travel through but, just land and ocean to the north, more non-black groups started to move in over the course of time. Including nations wanting to wage war. People want Egypt to represent something instead of accepting what was likely reality. It probably resembled Brazil moreso than Nigeria. Still “black” in a modern sense but mixed. You would’ve had darkskin people, mixed biracial people and non-black Semitic people. The last fully black era of Egypt would’ve been King Tut and his family. I think shortly after his dynasty is when the invasions began. Persians. Assyrians. Greeks. Romans. And finally, the Arabs. After all of that it went from being a black and multi racial kingdom to being completely Arabic.
 

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The painting. I've seen many other paintings. They are consistent in showing a variety of people. What do you say about the painting? How do you explain it? If it was as you say it was then there should be no non-Africans at all, but there obviously are.

People need to understand that migration has been a thing for 100,000 years or more. Multicultural societies too. Nobody should be surprised if a place like Egypt where life was easy and harvests were bountiful should have attracted migrants from all over. You go to Egypt and you know the Nile floods every year and you know you have got a guaranteed crop every year. You know you can put food on your table every day without having to struggle for it. Beats the hell out of living hand to mouth in the middle of the Arabian desert not knowing where your next meal is coming from. Surviving off date fruits and insects and rats and shyt. Why would somebody not want to move to Egypt?

It was the America of the Bronze Age. Look at how many different people have migrated to the US. It's because of the opportunity that it provides. All those temples and pyramids and obelisks must have demanded enormous labour forces to construct. Those labourers need feeding, 1 to 1 ratio every construction worker needed a farmer working full time to feed the both of them. And then there had to be teamsters and sailors to transport harvested grain from the countryside to the city. Then you need people who process grain into food. You need lawmen to keep all of this in line. You need soldiers to expand the borders. You need miners down in the quarries digging up marble and sandstone for the construction projects. You need import/export people to travel to Lebanon and Cyprus to buy cedar wood, which doesn't grow in Egypt and is the best wood for building. They swap surplus agricultural produce to get the other materials Egypt needs. And that's how word spreads. Not only does Egypt have millions and millions of jobs in all these industries, it also has so much food that they're trading it. So I ask you again, how can anybody think that a country with such huge opportunities would not be hugely attractive to migrants?

If I'm living in west Asia or southeastern Europe today and I can't get a job I'm moving to America to find work, and I'm settling there, I'm marrying an American and having children and they're having grandchildren and they will all contribute to changing the ethnic make-up of the US. You think migrants weren't doing that in Egypt too?

Good write up. What you wrote makes a lot of sense. I don’t know how anyone can argue. I guess they want to pretend it was 100% black because it makes them feel good or whatever. Which is crazy because today Atlanta and D.C./DMV area are still considered “black cities” eventhough they have other races living there. It’s the same concept. We’re not saying Egypt wasn’t a black kingdom, just that it had other groups there too and that’s consistent with what they left behind. All sides are funny. You got whites acting like Egypt was filled with white people in 100 degree weather when they would’ve been a minuscule part of the population at best :dead: and you got hoteps acting like nobody else was there but Black people when the Levant is right there and Arabia is directly across the Red Sea :dead: Then you got Middle Easteners acting like it was theirs when the swag in Egypt was completely different than in their other societies and also because Greeks and Romans had a very intimate relationship with Middle Eastern groups from Leonidas to Alexander on down to Marcus Crassus and never once did they call them “Burnt Faces” like they did Egyptians.
 

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The painting. I've seen many other paintings.

That's subjective, and contrary to the paintings that I've posted on the first page. Can you provide examples of what you think typified the representation of ancient Kemet?


They are consistent in showing a variety of people. What do you say about the painting? How do you explain it? If it was as you say it was then there should be no non-Africans at all, but there obviously are.

I see the mainstream plastering the same recycled pictured over and over, and ignoring others. Why you think that they have not shown the full pictures of any of the statues that they've recently discovered. Notice that when they find statues they show the statues faces half buried to hide their Bantu features. As far Kemet being multi "racial", where are the non Black people in the ancient Kemetic army?

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If Kemet was multi racial shouldn't it be reflected in the army? The fact is, ancient Kemet originated in the South along the Nubian border where the vast majority of the population resided until the Late Dynastic period. The Late Dynastic period saw a complete population shift from the South where the culture originated and the vast majority of the population resided, to the North. The North was the fertile Delta region where the Asiatic and European foreigners had been settling since the Hyksos (who were expelled). The dominance of the North as the population center coincided with the influx of foreigners and the subsequent fall of the civilization.

People need to understand that migration has been a thing for 100,000 years or more. Multicultural societies too.

You put alot of assumptions into that migration theory. When did people who were Black leaving Africa begin to devolve into non Black people. Did this begin to happen as soon as they crossed the Sinai Peninsula? Multiple genetic studies have shown that pale skin did not begin to develop until around 6,000 BC, and if that is the case then ancient migrations across political defined landmasses would have no bearing on the creation of dynastic Nile Valley culture.

It was the America of the Bronze Age. Look at how many different people have migrated to the US. It's because of the opportunity that it provides.

White people were banned from ancient Kemet until the Greeks took over. Manethos made this clear, and C.A. Diop broke this down in several of his books.


Those whose hair is red, of a certain peculiar shade, are unmistakably vampires. It is significant that in ancient Egypt, as Manetho tells us, human sacrifices were offered at the grave of Osiris, and the victims were red-haired men who were burned, their ashes being scattered far and wide by winnowing-fans. It is held by some authorities that this was done to fertilize the fields and produce a bounteous harvest, red-hair symbolizing the golden wealth of the corn. But these men were called Typhonians, and were representatives not of Osiris but of his evil rival Typhon, whose hair was red.

If I'm living in west Asia or southeastern Europe today and I can't get a job I'm moving to America to find work, and I'm settling there, I'm marrying an American and having children and they're having grandchildren and they will all contribute to changing the ethnic make-up of the US. You think migrants weren't doing that in Egypt too?

Nonsense. It was race/priesthood war.
 
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