Young Muslims spazzes out on Christians, crowd throwing milk crates, bottles

[daze23]

"People who are speaking their mind and doing it legally should still expect to be assaulted and beaten, and the law shouldn't prosecute anyone for commuingting violence as result of what is being said" constitutes an ignorant and violent opinion...in my opinion.

who said that? seems like a strawman you've created to justify why you called our opinions "ignorant and violent"

You dudes out there playing emotional checkers, and I'm here trying to debate the merits and components of political philosophy and governance.

no, you said you didn't care about our opinions. you just want to cite law and act like that's the end of the conversation

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Type Username Here is a perfect example of what's wrong with most "progressives," it's like common sense has to take a back-seat to their bullshyt ideal worldview.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Who gets to constitute what is inflammatory? Who gets to constitute what space is appropriate? Those people were there legally, as in, they got permits to protest.

If a woman wearing a Burka goes to a shopping mall in Kansas or Mississippi, should some redneck have the right to throw eggs or a rock on her because he deems her dressing as inflammatory and thinks she's proselytizing her religion in his "space"? Where do YOU draw the line? Where does the legal system draw the line?

People are free to make their own individual choices, they aren't free to absolve themselves from the consequences of those choices. In your example, the muslim woman is taking a chance by going into a potentially hostile environment, and the cacs are taking a chance by assuming there won't be any retaliation to their attacks. It goes both ways. That's real life. You want to have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Type Username Here]

Type Username Here is a perfect example of what's wrong with most "progressives," it's like common sense has to take a back-seat to their bullshyt ideal worldview.

Bullshyt ideal worldview? You mean the law of this country? Your country? This concept is 300 years old in it's current form.

People are free to make their own individual choices, they aren't free to absolve themselves from the consequences of those choices. In your example, the muslim woman is taking a chance by going into a potentially hostile environment, and the cacs are taking a chance by assuming there won't be any retaliation to their attacks. It goes both ways. That's real life. You want to have your cake and eat it too.

Real life? You don't know shyt about real life. When you were over here on these boards flipping a coin to decide if you were a 5% gangster or righteous internet Imam, I was leading people into combat. Don't tell me about real life, you don't have an inkling of what committing real violence or seeing real violence looks like.

You kept bringing this back towards your emotions, and I'm merely engaging in a talk about social interactions as it relates to governance and social stability.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Bullshyt ideal worldview? You mean the law of this country? Your country? This concept is 300 years old in it's current form.




Real life? You don't know shyt about real lie. When you were over here on these boards flipping a coin to decide if you were a 5% gangster or righteous internet Imam, I was leading people into combat. Don't tell me about real life.

You kept bringing this back towards your emotions, and I'm merely engaging in a talk about social interactions as it relates to governance and social stability.

STFU man I don't give a fukk about your service to protect this countries malicious interests overseas, I know more than a few of people like you and you aint special....your military service doesn't give you an excuse to trot out bullshyt opinions that have no basis in reality. If you wrong, you wrong...straight up. fukk you want, a cookie?

Yes, in REAL LIFE if you work to incite violence, then violence will most likely be what you get. Would you advise your teenage son to walk into a dangerous neighborhood by himself flashing jewels? No, you wouldn't because yeah while it's against the law to rob him that's most likely would would happen. What's so fukking hard to understand?

 

[Type Username Here]

STFU man I don't give a fukk about your service to protect this countries malicious interests overseas, I know more than a few of people like you and you aint special....your military service doesn't give you an excuse to trot out bullshyt opinions that have no basis in reality. If you wrong, you wrong...straight up. fukk you want, a cookie?

Listen c*nt, I referenced my service only to demonstrate your laughable attempt at belittling me on what "real life" is, especially coming from someone who has been documented to have spent the last 10 years on a forum transitioning from talking about earths, gods, seeds, wizards, iguanas, dragons to being the resident tie salesman expert and Freeway Muslim.

Yes, in REAL LIFE if you work to incite violence, then violence will most likely be what you get. Would you advise your teenage son to walk into a dangerous neighborhood by himself flashing jewels? No, you wouldn't because yeah while it's against the law to rob him that's most likely would would happen. What's so fukking hard to understand?

You need to return your GED to whatever website you received it from. ASAP.

The KEY difference is that there were police that were present for the assault and violence in question, and they didn't do shyt. You know why? They don't want to upset the local Muslim population. They didn't follow the rule of law of their local and federal government as mandated. In essence, the government, as represented by the police and local DAs, decided that the protesters speech was not acceptable and thus, that violence was warranted. So, to break this down barney style for you, the 1st Amendment was violated, as the protesters had legal permits to be at that location. Their rights were violated when the police failed to arrest those who committed violence against them.


c*nt.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Listen c*nt, I referenced my service only to demonstrate your laughable attempt at belittling me on what "real life" is, especially coming from someone who has been documented to have spent the last 10 years on a forum transitioning from talking about earths, gods, seeds, wizards, iguanas, dragons to being the resident tie salesman expert and Freeway Muslim.

Who cares? Your military service is irrelevant to and far removed from the conversation. You getting emotional for no reason. Look at how frustrated you sound, pathetic.

The KEY difference is that there were police that were present for the assault and violence in question, and they didn't do shyt. You know why? They don't want to upset the local Muslim population. They didn't follow the rule of law of their local and federal government as mandated. In essence, the government, as represented by the police and local DAs, decided that the protesters speech was not acceptable and thus, that violence was warranted. So, to break this down barney style for you, the 1st Amendment was violated, as the protesters had legal permits to be at that location. Their rights were violated when the police failed to arrest those who committed violence against them.

I don't give a fukk about any of that. The issue here is that you want to blame these muslims for the altercation, but seem to have no problem with the people who started it all in the first place. I'm not saying that the people who threw the bottles shouldn't have gotten arrested, I'm saying that the protestors went in wanting to cause unrest and they got just that. Why are you outraged by this?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I think most of the ignorant and violent opinions here stems from the fact that the people being attacked are white, conservative and Christian. If this was a video of those UK Muslims protesting and holding signs that say death To Europe, people would be outraged if the British started throwing rocks and bricks (and rightfully so, as it should be in both cases).

Now don't get me wrong, white, conservative Christians (aka the GOP) are my least favorite group, but the law is the law.

Not me. I think UK outrage at muslim extremist attitudes over there is completely justified, but on the other hand I feel that muslims are idiots for expecting europeans to alter their national identities to accomodate them. I had no problem with switzerland banning minarets, or france banning burkas, etc. because those aren't muslim countries and don't owe muslims living there anything. In cases like this muslims are absolutely bringing heat on themselves.

 

[ogc163]

The Christians by their own admission understood or at the very least had some sense that the police department was not going to able to provide them with adequate protection at the festival...and yet they continued on. The cops there explained to them that they were undermanned and could not realistically provide them with necessary protection...and yet they continued on.When dude says "Just two officers if you really think it's a threat" that showcases to me that he is much more interested in trolling and moral grandstanding than obtaining a practical solution as it relates to the safety of him and his people's. It's not a matter of the local police "jeopardizing free speech" in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Type Username Here]

I don't give a fukk about any of that. The issue here is that you want to blame these muslims for the altercation, but seem to have no problem with the people who started it all in the first place. I'm not saying that the people who threw the bottles shouldn't have gotten arrested, I'm saying that the protestors went in wanting to cause unrest and they got just that. Why are you outraged by this?

Blame these Muslims?

Answer these questions honestly:

Who committed the first physical altercation? Which groups threw things first? Which group continued to throw things?

Who did the police arrest? If anything, the cops were on tape saying they were not going to arrest anyone.

The only facts that matter are this: The protesters were there legally, with a permit, and were shouting and holding signs. None of that is illegal.

The other group threw bricks, in front of law enforcement officers. Those rocks and bricks hit people, by every legal definition it is defined as assault. Again, this was done in front of cops.

No one was arrested. No charges pressed.

The only biased one is you. I'm not a Christian. I'm not a Muslim. I don't give a damn about any religion. The thing is, if Johnny Jihad out in France or the UK were holding one of their weekly rallies claiming that Western Civilization would come to be dominated by Islam, and one of them got hit with a brick while the police stood by and did nothing, you'd be the first one in here crying about it.

 

[Type Username Here]

Not me. I think UK outrage at muslim extremist attitudes over there is completely justified, but on the other hand I feel that muslims are idiots for expecting europeans to alter their national identities to accomodate them. I had no problem with switzerland banning minarets, or france banning burkas, etc. because those aren't muslim countries and don't owe muslims living there anything. In cases like this muslims are absolutely bringing heat on themselves.

I'll take your word but you are in the extreme minority in this line of thinking amongst your religion and you know it.

Does this mean that you expect and shrug off any violence that comes their way?

 

[Type Username Here]

The Christians by their own admission understood or at the very least had some sense that the police department was not going to able to provide them with adequate protection at the festival...and yet they continued on. The cops there explained to them that they were undermanned and could not realistically provide them with necessary protection...and yet they continued on.When dude says "Just two officers if you really think it's a threat" that showcases to me that he is much more interested in trolling and moral grandstanding than obtaining a practical solution as it relates to the safety of him and his people's. It's not a matter of the local police "jeopardizing free speech" in any way, shape, or form.

Where there police present when bricks were thrown? Is there video evidence of an assault taking place?

Is trolling against the law?

 

[daze23]

Where there police present when bricks were thrown?

it's not clear where the police are. there was a few 360 pans where I didn't see any

 

[ogc163]

Where there police present when bricks were thrown? Is there video evidence of an assault taking place?

Is trolling against the law?

I did not see police present when the brick was thrown, but even in the event that police was present you cannot realistically expect them to be able to identify in a large crowd who exactly threw the brick. Yes there is obviously evidence and if those attacked want to press charges against specific individuals they have every right to do so. No trolling is not against the law

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I'll take your word but you are in the extreme minority in this line of thinking amongst your religion and you know it.

Does this mean that you expect and shrug off any violence that comes their way?

In Islam you aren't even really supposed to leave your native country for good (if it's a Muslim land) and settle in a non-muslim land unless you are being oppressed, and in Islam the first and foremost aspect of being oppressed is not being able to practice Islam. Muslims living in western countries aren't oppressed by any stretch of the imagination and that's why I don't feel much sympathy for those Muslims who cry about how the West needs to be more accepting of Islam. The West doesn't have to do any such thing, imo. We are allowed to build mosques, gather for prayer, walk around dressed according to Sunnah, fast, etc. and that's all a muslim really needs. Everything else is a bonus.

I don't shrug off violence committed against muslims and I feel that muslims should have the rigth to defend their communities just like any other group I'm just saying that we shouldn't be shocked and/or appalled whe we come across hostility because that's just the reality of living in this country.