Young Cade Has Good Taste.

[Ozymandeas]

Of course he feels that way. it's his generation. MJ & Kobe are my GOAT's just off the fact i've watched them play growing up. Lebron isn't far off though. He's been thru the fire.

Basically this. Jordan, Kareem, Kobe, Bron, Magic, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq. After that I don’t care. KD is close to being added though.

 

[kungset]

i thought this was gonna be about some IG thot he's dating right now

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Cade was born when LeBron was a rookie ... of course he would say LeBron

 

[Ozymandeas]

The eye test fans rate him like players out there doing a skills competition, instead of his actual results from his work on the floor...

Evaluating players on a historic scale can't be about who has the best 1v1 game or can dribble thru cones the fastest or any other asinine "skills" challenge....

The Kobe as #1 or even Top 5 thing is recent and forced, a decade ago people were NOT arguing whether Kobe Bryant was possibly the greatest player ever. He wasn't viewed in that light. His inclusion that highly came once Bron started racking up the awards and all of a sudden nikkas didn't want you to "forget" about Kobe...

Like fam, we didn't "forget" Kobe, he just isn't justified to be in a conversation for greatest player ever. Only three or four guys tops deserve that convo and he aint one of em, he a notch or two below that yet STILL universally regarded as Top 10-ish ever...

Kobe as greatest player "ever" is forced and its plain as day when it began and why...

You lucky SOHH took their forum servers offline because this is comment is “forced”…any Coliseum thread back then would show you that. Kobe was definitely seen as a top player in the 2008 to 2010 period with people putting him top 5/top 10 after he got his two rings. Y’all Bron Stans were getting worried because the world was saying if Kobe could get #6 he’d have an argument against Jordan. Bron heard that and ran to Miami the same summer Kobe got his fifth. But okay breh. Back then LeBron was thought to be a great regular season player who choked in the playoffs and couldn’t get over the hump. No different than how people view Harden or how they viewed Peyton Manning for a period of time. I wish I could up threads from SOHH because it’s easy to write some revisionist garbage today. People were not saying this sh*t in 2009.

 

[Born2BKing]

Of course he feels that way. it's his generation. MJ & Kobe are my GOAT's just off the fact i've watched them play growing up. Lebron isn't far off though. He's been thru the fire.

MJ retired for the first time when I was 11 and remember his games, and how great he was. I don't think Cade's age is why he picking Lebron tbh.

 

[ryderldb]

MJ having the most smileys puts him over the top for me.

 

[VegasCAC]

You’ll see this more and more. People are biased to their era, period.

 

[supertrekker]

He wasn't even born when Jordan played and he grew up watching LeBron. It's no different than us picking Jordan over Oscar Robertson.

 

[murksiderock]

I agree with you in that it was never a mainstream opinion. It should also be noted I spent a lot of time online so that probably colors a lot of how I see Kobe, people tend to ride super hard for him online.

To be fair though, a few years ago (before retirement) there were a lot of young kids who would come in and say Kobe was the GOAT in the same way Cade just did Bron.

Yeah that's why I agree it started ramping up late in his career...

I wasn't online and I agree that colors perception differently; I've hit on this before and I'll touch on it again below. It's no different than if someone spends more time on here than they do interacting with people offline, you'd come away believing certain things you read on The Coli to be law---->and you know regarding race, women, and other things on here this shyt can be wacky...

Very similar dynamic with Kobe Bryant, online forums seem to attract an overrepresentation of his Stans and defenders, relative to the actual fan population, and it shapes perception of him differently in web spaces. I wasn't online at that time but I was having regular ball talk that included him at that time offline, so I'm very confident in the general takes on him and I remember that time period pretty well...

So I don't disagree with you bro!

Outside of Kobestans it's hard to imagine anyone saying that very long before Bron was in Miami. In early 2008 Kobe was in his 12th season in the NBA and still hadn't won a single MVP or Finals MVP. Bron actually led a team to the Finals before Kobe did, and Kobe didn't even win a title as a #1 until after Bron had already won his first MVP and just 3 years before Bron won his first title.

I was in another thread recently where the Bean/Duncan thing was rehashed and I remembered that for the majority of their primes, Kobe was not seen as a historical equal to Duncan, player-to-player; he was for years considered arguably the best player alive bit never definitively. I'm bringing that up in this topic to make this point:

No one was putting Kobe Bryant in any greatest of all time conversations after any of his 3peat titles, he was 6 years in. When Duncan was 6 years in, in '03, there was increasing discussion on how great he could be and where he was already as a 2x champ, 2x MVP; Kobe was 7 years in at this point, no one was saying this about him...

Kobe had the year he scored 81 and averaged 35 and people were calling him an All-Time scorer similar to what they'd do when Harden went on his scoring blitzes a dozen or so years later, and possibly the best player in The League, people said that about Kobe, but he wasnt seen as definitively the best player in basketball while Duncan was still dominant and anchoring a dynasty, and no one was putting Kobe in greatest of all time conversations...

I vividly recall a Duncan/Brady comp to both resurrecting franchises who'd had great players and success before them but had never gotten it done, and both turned their respective organizations into dynasties, and after Duncan won his next two their was plenty of discussion on where Duncan was All-Time...

We're 11 years in with Kobe after Duncan's 4th ring and people were having All-Time conversations about Duncan. People were saying Kobe is maybe the best player in basketball but he wasnt in the GOAT conversation...

I remember when Kobe won his MVP it was viewed as an "about time" thing, he didn't impose his will of dominance over The League or have the best season that year, or even his best season of his career. Got to a Finals without Shaq and we're 12 years in, no one was saying "Kobe's maybe the greatest player ever"...

13 years in he won without Shaq and I do remember that monkey coming off his shoulders, and the coronation of him as an All-Time great player began. At the earliest the discussion of Kobe as a GOAT started in '09, again late in his career and deep into (or after) his and Duncan's prime, but to be honest the earliest I remember people having GOAT talk about him was after the b2b in 2010...

I could be off by a year or two but even then, no one (meaning as a popular opinion) was calling Kobe the greatest player of all time in 2010. But the historical comparisons as a Top 10, 15, 20 player were activated and the "chase" to reach 6 rings like Mike was on, and the "where would he stand if he equals Mike" conversation was on...

It's funny because Shaq, Duncan, LeBron, none of these guys historical weight was predicated on winning 6 rings specifically like Mike, these guys were in these GOAT talks well before even threatening 6 rings. It took Kobe getting to #5 for people to open this dialogue and even still people weren't saying Kobe is the greatest player ever...

People reimagine that period of time far too often, when the Bron/Kobe talk died down, and Bron started dominating in Miami, it validated everything we already knew and saw coming with LeBron from the start. That was the time period you started hearing this "well don't forget about Kobe" shyt (after Bron's Miami run, so post '13 or '14), and also the Kobe just jumping over Shaq and Duncan shyt, when a)thru the bulk of their careers Kobe wasn't viewed as a historical equal to those two, but he somehow flew over both in Shaq's retirement and when both he and Duncan were old and washed; and b)no one "forgot" about Kobe, most heads rated him properly on a historical level but the desire his fans always had to measure him by Jordan standards and the LeBron envy took over dialogue...

People either misremember his career innocently or revise it intentionally, and I'm not saying Im not off by a year or two. But the majority of Kobe's career, excluding his hard-core Stans that don't represent the majority or common basketball head, people were not calling Kobe Bryant even arguably the greatest player ever. That shyt began after a confluence of events and people have forced him into a conversation he wasnt in and doesn't belong in...

You lucky SOHH took their forum servers offline because this is comment is “forced”…any Coliseum thread back then would show you that. Kobe was definitely seen as a top player in the 2008 to 2010 period with people putting him top 5/top 10 after he got his two rings. Y’all Bron Stans were getting worried because the world was saying if Kobe could get #6 he’d have an argument against Jordan. Bron heard that and ran to Miami the same summer Kobe got his fifth. But okay breh. Back then LeBron was thought to be a great regular season player who choked in the playoffs and couldn’t get over the hump. No different than how people view Harden or how they viewed Peyton Manning for a period of time. I wish I could up threads from SOHH because it’s easy to write some revisionist garbage today. People were not saying this sh*t in 2009.

I believe you saw all this online. If this board is basically the new version of SOHH then of course you saw this stuff there...

 

[NormanConnors]

You’re fukking crazy. Bron is nowhere near Jordan.

Year 19


Stepping outside of the personal box: I had Jordan as the goat for the longest. Bron has simply done too much.


Personally Zeke > all of these cats

 

[staticshock]

LeGoat >>>>

 

[DrexlersFade]

nikka ain't seen shyt but the Last Dance

Plus he only saying this cause he plays for the Pistons jesus you didn't catch that you think he would've said that bullshyt if he was drafted by the Bulls

 

[Phantum]

That was all the motivation I needed

 

[010101]

statline*

 

[MoneyTron]

Jordan was on his second retirement by the time this dude started walking.

Jordan still the GOAT and I don’t see how anyone with two functional eyes and a brain is seeing differently.