Young Cade Has Good Taste.

[murksiderock]

Kobe is the most polarizing player when it comes to these debates. You will see people have him as #1 to outside of the top ten and everything in between. Kobe also has the biggest gap from where his peers see him versus where the general media sees him, and biggest gap of “eye test” fans versus numbers only fans. Iverson and Westbrook are in the same category, just at lower numbers when it comes to where they’re generally ranked.

The eye test fans rate him like players out there doing a skills competition, instead of his actual results from his work on the floor...

Evaluating players on a historic scale can't be about who has the best 1v1 game or can dribble thru cones the fastest or any other asinine "skills" challenge....

The Kobe as #1 or even Top 5 thing is recent and forced, a decade ago people were NOT arguing whether Kobe Bryant was possibly the greatest player ever. He wasn't viewed in that light. His inclusion that highly came once Bron started racking up the awards and all of a sudden nikkas didn't want you to "forget" about Kobe...

Like fam, we didn't "forget" Kobe, he just isn't justified to be in a conversation for greatest player ever. Only three or four guys tops deserve that convo and he aint one of em, he a notch or two below that yet STILL universally regarded as Top 10-ish ever...

Kobe as greatest player "ever" is forced and its plain as day when it began and why...

 

[MJ Truth]

The eye test fans rate him like players out there doing a skills competition, instead of his actual results from his work on the floor...

Evaluating players on a historic scale can't be about who has the best 1v1 game or can dribble thru cones the fastest or any other asinine "skills" challenge....

The Kobe as #1 or even Top 5 thing is recent and forced, a decade ago people were NOT arguing whether Kobe Bryant was possibly the greatest player ever. He wasn't viewed in that light. His inclusion that highly came once Bron started racking up the awards and all of a sudden nikkas didn't want you to "forget" about Kobe...

Like fam, we didn't "forget" Kobe, he just isn't justified to be in a conversation for greatest player ever. Only three or four guys tops deserve that convo and he aint one of em, he a notch or two below that yet STILL universally regarded as Top 10-ish ever...

Kobe as greatest player "ever" is forced and its plain as day when it began and why...

Nah. There were always a large contingent of people who had Kobe as better than Mike, even before LeBron was in Miami. It was just never really a mainstream opinion but it should also be noted Kobe may have had the strongest stan base of anyone in recent history, right there with Beyoncé.

 

[murksiderock]

Nah. There were always a large contingent of people who had Kobe as better than Mike, even before LeBron was in Miami. It was just never really a mainstream opinion but it should also be noted Kobe may have had the strongest stan base of anyone in recent history, right there with Beyoncé.

We're gonna disagree on where people had him in relation to Mike. Again not that "no one" in a literal sense had him at Mike's level but it wasn't a mainstream opinion because it wasn't a popular common opinion, period...

These narratives tend to start from the ground up...

Most people always saw him as the slightly lesser second coming of Mike, not an equal of Mike's, and not anywhere near contention for greatest player to ever play the game...

 

[MJ Truth]

We're gonna disagree on where people had him in relation to Mike. Again not that "no one" in a literal sense had him at Mike's level but it wasn't a mainstream opinion because it wasn't a popular common opinion, period...

These narratives tend to start from the ground up...

Most people always saw him as the slightly lesser second coming of Mike, not an equal of Mike's, and not anywhere near contention for greatest player to ever play the game...

I agree with you in that it was never a mainstream opinion. It should also be noted I spent a lot of time online so that probably colors a lot of how I see Kobe, people tend to ride super hard for him online.

To be fair though, a few years ago (before retirement) there were a lot of young kids who would come in and say Kobe was the GOAT in the same way Cade just did Bron.

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

Nah. There were always a large contingent of people who had Kobe as better than Mike, even before LeBron was in Miami. It was just never really a mainstream opinion but it should also be noted Kobe may have had the strongest stan base of anyone in recent history, right there with Beyoncé.

How can the copy be better than the original??




As for the thread topic, it’s expected with the younger crowd. My uncle swear Kareem is the goat but he ain’t better to Jordan imo. And I was born in 83

 

[Jerz]

Detroit loss

 

[Osmosis]

Kid will be a star

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Nah. There were always a large contingent of people who had Kobe as better than Mike, even before LeBron was in Miami. It was just never really a mainstream opinion but it should also be noted Kobe may have had the strongest stan base of anyone in recent history, right there with Beyoncé.

Outside of Kobestans it's hard to imagine anyone saying that very long before Bron was in Miami. In early 2008 Kobe was in his 12th season in the NBA and still hadn't won a single MVP or Finals MVP. Bron actually led a team to the Finals before Kobe did, and Kobe didn't even win a title as a #1 until after Bron had already won his first MVP and just 3 years before Bron won his first title.

 

[MJ Truth]

Outside of Kobestans it's hard to imagine anyone saying that very long before Bron was in Miami. In early 2008 Kobe was in his 12th season in the NBA and still hadn't won a single MVP or Finals MVP. Bron actually led a team to the Finals before Kobe did, and Kobe didn't even win a title as a #1 until after Bron had already won his first MVP and just 3 years before Bron won his first title.

The talk was coming on the heels of the Lakers winning those titles, that was the point.

 

[NormanConnors]

Based out of the 3..Ive seen Jordan, Kobe and Lebron from the ground up and Bron is still the goat to me

 

[manyfaces]

I don't care. I just wanna see him ball his way into the conversation.

 

[Megadeus]

smart kid.

 

[stepbackj34spud]

Based out of the 3..Ive seen Jordan, Kobe and Lebron from the ground up and Bron is still the goat to me

You’re fukking crazy. Bron is nowhere near Jordan.

 

[Megadeus]

You’re fukking crazy. Bron is nowhere near Jordan.

this you?

Everyday with this shyt man. I cant escape this Jordan lebron kobe shyt. No matter where i go. Everyday. Wtf.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Kobe was literally never in my goats I’m surprised to see so many people with him so high. I do have him in the top 10.

Because there aren’t five players better than Kobe. He busting everybody ass not named Jordan, Kareem or Wilt.