Who and how? Kobe isn't even better just going off the eye test.
You did? Kobe was not a player who needed to retire to be liked, especially not here.
So every thread with Bron as subject has to be shytting on him?The Stains are in this thread deep. Got to abort
Project Pooch
All Star
Bron >>>> MJ.
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
want me to refute you? or are you just gonna throw a fit like a 10 year old and call me mean and upset?
perception wisethink the coli is reality brehs. Lebron is consensus top 2 of all time and will have a legitimate case for GOAT when he hangs it up since he continues to break records and accrue accolades into his late 30s. He's the best 18 year old to ever play and he was an MVP candidate in his 18th season. That type of longevity will likely never be replicated. Only people devaluing him are dudes that are stuck in the past.
Lebron is one of the most gifted athletic athletes of all time but all of this can be refuted. Like I said in my first post I'm not hating, post your age so it becomes more clear.
None of the shyt mentioned is anything Lebron did first. If yall just let that man be great he would be. But fans that never watched basketball until way too late always say weirdo shyt
yall even went as far as comparing Lebron to Steph for "warm up trick shots" as if I cant just pull a video from 60 years ago of someone doing the same shyt
Isiah is one of my favorites and top PGs but saying Lebron hit logo shots (at the end of a quarter) before it was cool is super fukking dumb too... like nobody shot at the end of the shotclock before 2008?
Lebron is easily one of the best players of all time, easily one of the most physically intimidating athletes to ever play any sport. And one of the most durable humans in sports history
but like I said, the fans are making him look crazy saying he invented or pioneered shyt. We can say Shaq was one of the most unstoppable forces in history and same can be said for Lebron... there's simply not many people in history like him.
Reminds me of Mike Tyson. Like I said, you can cry and flop on the floor throwing a fit about me personally, but I'm not saying Lebron isnt great. I'm only bringing up the weirdo shyt people posted comparing him to 2010 and beyond like people never fukked around in practice or shot from deep before.
He traded in his finesse for muscles. Which makes his game very boring,uninspiring,predictable to watch. He wont age well enough to ever be goat,due to the weakness of his highlight reel. Highlight reels are what future generations look at to guage your greatness on the eye test,couples with the stats.
King
The black man is always targeted.
Makes me think tho, I get he’s a once in a lifetime athlete.
But in context, the professional basketball players next to him were getting SONNED. He made them look like college players.
Makes me think if he was really that athletic or if the tall dudes in the NBA aren’t as athletic as they seem
murksiderock
Superstar
Stop lying...
At some point the longevity has to matter. You can make the case that Mike was greater peak-for-peak, but its inches not feet, and vice versa---->you can credibly make the case Bron had the higher peak, but it would be marginal...
For my money they have the two highest peaks ever...
How you perform in the postseasons is critical to me, and again for my money they are the two most consistent playoff performers ever. I can see an argument for Jordan that he doesn't have a choke or a low like '11 Finals, but there is no other argument in his favor. The Finals record is irrelevant, particularly given one guy spent a larger portion of his career playing in Finals than the other, meaning he had his team in championship contention more often; and the fact one guy played in a more competitive era than the other, with tougher opponents...
This isn't a demerit against Jordan. It just means having this understanding doesn't warrant giving Mike some extra brownie points when you know the two above points to be true...
So if I say the two peaked equally high, and are playoff equals aside from Bron's Finals choke, that leaves who sustained their peak play and their prime play for longer. It's Bron easily, the weight of that isn't all that strong given how strong Mike's resume is but it isnt irrelevant...
To me they are interchangeable and I only trip on heads who say it's Mike "undebatably", or use the ring argument as you did. Those aren't legitimate arguments in Mike's favor. He obviously has a case as greatest player ever.....but it's certainly debatable. And Bron is right at the top with him...
I prefer Bron, for me personally Bron doing his work in a tougher era tips the scales, same way you alluded to Mike doing his work in his era rather than Russell in his favors Mike for you. I think Bron is better, let's not pretend he has no case over Mike----durability, longevity, equal peak, better and more versatile peak defender---but it's marginal and I'm cool if someone likes Mike more...
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Not really. Your senselessness is already cluttering the board.
It's the same song and dance for you guys with this dislike Bron thing that you and others routinely post on the board against the "tyrannical craziness of Bron supporters."
You want to pretend that the board post thread after thread after thread of Bron being the >>>, be my guest and continue doing what it is that you do.
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This is a stat geeks argument. Basketball is an art,players are artist. If Bill Russells game was as beautiful and awe inspiring as Jordan he would be the clear goat. But Jordan struck fear into you if you were rooting against him. Jordans highlight real and memorable moments are on a different level. Only people who had a chance to stop him were Magic,and AIDs stopped him. And Kobe,but the league stopped him by blocking that CP3 trade.
It appears stat nerds do have a loud voice though. So eventually they may be able to overcome. But as they continue to try to push this narrative of Bron as goat,they keep running into a problem. People who lived to watch Jordan and Kobe are still breathing
. Players who lived to play against Jordan ,maybe played some against Bron,scoff at the comparison. People who have been getting sonned by Bron for a decade or more, still picking Jordan. Jordan and Kobe are just different level of artist on that court. Bron could have been that had he not chose brawn over a finesse game that involves perfecting skills
Only people who have Bron higher than Kobe ignore the eye test all together. As an individual player only a fool would say Bron was more skilled than Kobe
. The gawds game was beautiful to watch. The Brons and Stephs of the world are part of the reason the game is dying. Alot of the artist are gone,and you instead you have per princes and robotic 3 point shooters. Nobody canceling plans to watch that. Cant even be bothered to turn off netflix to watch. They can ignore "awe factor" if they want but its real. Theres a reason all Mahommes needs is 4 or 5 trophys to pass Brady.
murksiderock
Superstar
At which point did I discuss stats?
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Im dying here. Im like “where?”
I dont see how else you could think its a matter of "inches" with Bron and Jordan without using the longevity stats. Along with using how many times Lebron got his teams to the finals. Like we really are supposed to ignore how many of those teams were super teams he manufactured. As far as their individual games its not close with the eye test. We all watched them both play right? Why are we lying to ourselves then? He really only has one title which is pretry unanimously unquestionable,and thats the one in Cleveland where he beat Golden State. Though imo he should thank Steph Curry whos performance is a stain on his legacy.
#LetGiannisGet3 in this environment with this Bucks team
. You will start looking at Bron funny,which goes to show you the weak foundation of his goat statusfifth column
Superstar
I get it Bron is your goat and that’s perfectly fine. How can Bron who attached his legacy to the real goat MJ be considered the goat. Peak dominance over competition is what determines the goat. MJ is “un debatably” the goat.