Yeah although I thought it was dope, it was really random and really didn't add anything to the story considering Bats already has enough motive to take down Superman. Felt like it was something they had to drop in the movie for the DCU.
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Yeah although I thought it was dope, it was really random and really didn't add anything to the story considering Bats already has enough motive to take down Superman. Felt like it was something they had to drop in the movie for the DCU.
If we take it as that we have to ask the question, how many scenes do we need dedicated to motivating Batman to do something he was trying to do already. After the opening scene we have these 2 dream sequences, then we have Superman confronting him for no reason and finally the capital explosion with the hate notes on top. It seems a bit much.
That brings up another question I had. We know Superman killed Zod and it looked like he killed that African warlord/terrorist. If that's the case how can he bytch and complain about Batman's methods being too much, especially if you are one of the people trying to say he didn't kill. It just makes him look like a hypocritical a$$hole who let criminals get away to stop someone he believes is working with the police.
Norrin Radd
To me, my board!
Yeah it's hard to tell right now. I thought The Flash showed him the vision initially but now I'm not sure...
If we take it as that we have to ask the question, how many scenes do we need dedicated to motivating Batman to do something he was trying to do already. After the opening scene we have these 2 dream sequences, then we have Superman confronting him for no reason and finally the capital explosion with the hate notes on top. It seems a bit much.
That brings up another question I had. We know Superman killed Zod and it looked like he killed that African warlord/terrorist. If that's the case how can he bytch and complain about Batman's methods being too much, especially if you are one of the people trying to say he didn't kill. It just makes him look like a hypocritical a$$hole who let criminals get away to stop someone he believes is working with the police.
Well the dream sequence itself was more to link the foreshadowing for the Justice League, but it served as a concrete motivator to get Superman whereas before there wasn't any mention by Bruce of getting at him. It was the final straw to a number of things from the Metropolis incident, the returned checks orchestrated by Lex while seeing the Senate building explode, and the vision/warning by Flash giving him the confirmation that he was right all along. Lex even admitted to Superman that he planted seeded at Bruce into having an obsession to get Superman. So it's everything connected leading to that. Which makes sense in real life. Not just ONE thing going to flip someone off all the time, it got to be numerous of things that you soon realize how far of a danger someone can be.
As for Superman, he is just as much in the wrong, and he knows this after the Senate explosion which he took blame for and rightfully so. As he told Lois, he wasn't looking. Dude was self-righteous and judgmental like how God (if you believe in God) would act in cherry picking who's lives to save. That was the whole issue over the African massacre. He only went there to save Lois and this was AFTER all of those people got slaughtered knowing he could of gotten there sooner. But when Lois 1st brought it up, he was defensive saying he didn't kill those people. This was why Lois initially questioned if she was a hindrance to their relationship (which, in foreshadow... she is). The problem with Superman initially, and while half the planet have a love/hate relationship is because he picks and chooses his heroism. He can save people from a burning building, or save a ship from being stuck on a sea full of ice, or save a group of people from flooding... but would ignore people massacred from terrorism or have any conviction either way in regards of criminal behavior. This is why he looks at Batman sideways because he sees him and his ethnics no better than the common criminal not even understanding what true crime and terror is like. Aside from Zod... who else have he went up against? It was messed up for him to show up all late and only showing up to save Lois in that African slaughter. This was why they held a Senate hearing to debate as to how to reign-in Superman, because he's doing whatever he wants to do without answering for his own actions or lack thereof.
1) Bruce's search for the white Portuguese was about finding the kryptonite to stop superman. He was lying to Alfred about it but that was his mission from the beginning and it never changed. Everything Lex did to motive him was wasted effort, should have just gave him the kryptonite and stood back.
2) You don't have a problem with that type of characterization for Superman? As a guy that lets disaster happen right in front of him because he doesn't care enough to try to see it and stop it.
OmegaK2099
Gettin' It In
1.) I know that. I didn't say Bruce did not know about the White Portuguese. I was saying everything that Superman was connected to served as more fuel to take him out.
2,.) I have absolutely no issue with any characterization of Superman. Superman been around for nearly EIGHTY years with different interpretations and evolution of the character in reflection to society of the times. The same goes to Batman as well. Superman went from having limited powers (couldn't even fly) to being overpowered, to multiple characterizations from its original metaphor to Moses to the current metaphor for Jesus and his integration towards society. Once upon a time his classic motto was "truth, justice, and the American way" then decades later they have him disowning his American citizenship. There's SO MANY WAYS you can interpret and reinvent this character that there isn't just one standard. The problem is that too many people are conditioned to the Richard Donner version because it is what they grew up on. But Superman in the comics isn't like that anymore. There's nothing wrong with him being simply an alien and not perfect. To me, I have no issue with that because the main reason I personally never cared for Superman is because he was "boring". He was made and viewed as TOO powerful and TOO perfect. There's nothing interesting about. I like the idea of an alien that have so much power and still cannot save everyone. That still is flawed in trying to hold himself accountable for his own actions that maybe consequential. Off topic, this is the beauty of Spider-Man and the famous quote, with "great powers come great responsibility", because Spider-Man always try to do the right thing and there's always some kind of consequence that will happen regardless of how hard he tries. With Superman, he just assumed the role of the Man of Steel. He knows that he can use his powers for good and tries. But not everyone trusts him because he is still an alien and an all powerful alien that selectively saves those in need. And this goes by to the whole Jesus-faith analogy in which Jesus is supposedly the Christ, the savior for man. And people expect for Jesus to be there at your dire time of need and some lose faith because they accuse of him not there whereas other praise him for being that savior in need.
If you don't feel this take on Superman, that's cool. I am okay with it. It'll be interesting how he'll be like once he's resurrected.
If that's how you feel and drop the Donner line as though that's the only other way people can view him I'm out.
Disgustya Stallone
Man Who Owns 2 Microwaves
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
Na, I'm cool.sounds to me like you need a second viewing
Disgustya Stallone
Man Who Owns 2 Microwaves
So I'll say this, I'm a Snyder fan so the hate he gets doesn't ride on the same wavelength with me. Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen are all personal favorites of mine.
I also think this movie was good but it wasn't good enough. The Batman portions were great and he should have complete control over that franchise because he caught the essence perfectly but it seems he's having trouble carrying different stories along with creating an interesting Superman character. The Lex character is fine because its a callback to his mad scientist origins instead of the current Lex who's more businessman.
The final act from the BvS fight to the Doomsday battle was executed very well as far as showcasing the high tier abilities of Supes, Doomsday, and Wonder Woman while showing the bravery and mettle of Batman against all odds. I think it all climaxed well but, and I'm repeating again, the Superman/Clark Kent portions outside of the action brought this shyt down.
Above all it set the tone for things to come and I really am feeling the dark foreboding atmosphere this is projecting with the eventual appearance of
Just my two cents on this.
I also think this movie was good but it wasn't good enough. The Batman portions were great and he should have complete control over that franchise because he caught the essence perfectly but it seems he's having trouble carrying different stories along with creating an interesting Superman character. The Lex character is fine because its a callback to his mad scientist origins instead of the current Lex who's more businessman.
The final act from the BvS fight to the Doomsday battle was executed very well as far as showcasing the high tier abilities of Supes, Doomsday, and Wonder Woman while showing the bravery and mettle of Batman against all odds. I think it all climaxed well but, and I'm repeating again, the Superman/Clark Kent portions outside of the action brought this shyt down.
Above all it set the tone for things to come and I really am feeling the dark foreboding atmosphere this is projecting with the eventual appearance of
Apokolips on earth. Because atleast in animated efforts the threat of Darkseid was taken a little too lightly considering what he represents.
Just my two cents on this.
I was like
If I hadnt seen Flashpoint Paradox I would have no idea what the hell that was.
do did lex kill mercy?
Nope, to them, CW is the holy grail. They probably rate it higher than The Dark Knight and say that it's the next Citizen Kane.
BvS had some moments that was
like how Lex was portrayed as his EARLY interpretations of being a socially challenged person. Also loved how he understood Superman and used emotion to get the best of him.