"You got a bunch of 29/30 year olds trying to be acceptable to 16 & 15 year olds" - Chuck D

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"Make everybody look irrelevant cause they have some intelligence"

When you listen to the historical context Chuck puts the systematic depiction of black people it makes even more sense and it's easily understandable if you have some intelligence.

I remember the quote "All art is propaganda"

And people wonder why people take this shyt seriously.

Why do you thin they did this...

 

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"It's the fault of punk adults who are afraid to check a young cat like that"

People wanna be acceptable to little 13/14/15/16 year old kids instead of being adults. That's why I respect rappers like Nas that don't completely dumb themselves down, and rappers who are dope yet act like adults, KRS-One, Wise Intelligent, Rakim, K-Rino, Brother Ali and a bunch of others.
 

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Problem is the older rappers aren't making age appropriate hip hop for their age mates..lot of grown ass men in the industry, but no grown ass man hip hop anywhere to be found.

Cause TOO MANY BLACK MEN feel thier justified in having a MID LIFE CRISIS

and sad to say its due to alot of women PROMOTING IT :manny:

Women wanting thier men to dress young....and act "youthful" Cause they dont wanna be with no "old fashioned geezer" unless he is a Sugardaddy

I see it all the time thats why we got so many women TAKING care of men

And they wonder why HE NEVER GROWS UP
 

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"Make everybody look irrelevant cause they have some intelligence"

When you listen to the historical context Chuck puts the systematic depiction of black people it makes even more sense and it's easily understandable if you have some intelligence.

I remember the quote "All art is propaganda"

And people wonder why people take this shyt seriously.

Why do you thin they did this...




that quote to me explains what happened with rap music and why i became ambivalent. i still like stuff but the critics made me lose hope. what happened is that they tried to ghettoise intelligent rap, called it "conscious" and made it unsexy. that right there was horrible. and as we can see with the biggest relevant rappers today and how pitchfork and complex suck off certain lowest common denominator rap.
 

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We actually got Jigga who is 50 and doing the same shyt

no hate

I would be critical of Jay for that even though I'm a fan. I feel he's too conformist and TOO concerned with money over art, and that's 1 of the reasons his last album wasn't very good at all. It's kind of hurting his legacy cause there's gonna be more people who supersede him if he doesn't get back on his game musically. The only thing I'd say to defend Jay is at least he does grown man shyt too, so he has a better balance, he isn't all 1 thing, but he's been kind of a gateway that allows people to sell out and that's a shame to me cause he's a great MC, a great artist, has a body of fantastic songs, and I respect him and he knows better. He's an intelligent man, but he's more about the money than the culture overall and that's unfortunate. If Chuck D was in that position shyt doesn't go down like that.
 
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that quote to me explains what happened with rap music and why i became ambivalent. i still like stuff but the critics made me lose hope. what happened is that they tried to ghettoise intelligent rap, called it "conscious" and made it unsexy. that right there was horrible. and as we can see with the biggest relevant rappers today and how pitchfork and complex suck off certain lowest common denominator rap.

No doubt, I feel you. That's the thing it's a systematic plan, that's why you hear all the bullshyt clichés, about trying to kick knowledge, irrelevant, rappity rap, lyrical miracle and all this BULLshyt. It's like you are trying to discredit dopeness, skill or content, YES we can be critical of dudes who aren't doing it right or are psedo intellectual but there's a lot of credible lyrical substance filled artists. The average dumb rap fan doesn't even realize how they'e being used as a tool and a puppet. They will say shyt like conspiracy theory or hater or any of this bullshyt when it's factual information. The artists themselves have said the pressure they have been put under to make certain types of records. I know for a fact myself a lot of things about major labels, as like a fact, it's not a debate because I've seen and heard the shyt. I KNOW artists that have been on majors and pushed certain ways. There's nuff stories of this bullshyt, just ask Saigon. So people sell out for those 30 extra pieces of silver, that they don't need cause we can be comfortable without selling out. It's still there the real music but we got to start talking about it, making threads about the real shyt on here, supporting it, financially, word of mouth, in every way IF we want to make a difference. I know I do cause it matters to me and I'm real about it. And exactly it's all about trends and what's pop when Hip Hop origin is COUNTER culture not following the mainstream, the mainstream hated on Hip Hop. Hip Hop is anti establishment (if it's corrupt) not endorsing it, cruel capitalism wasn't Hip Hop's essence at all, even though there's entrepreneurial elements and aspects to the culture, very much so, but it's about collective unity not greed and ruthlessness. But for real, that's exactly it, they deliberately try to outcast it and make people flock to the lowest common denominator to make people see Hip Hop and black people AS that even it isn't true of both.
 
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