Of course you can go outside and see ugly men with women.... women on their level that they're likely committed to. I'm always outside and have spoken to A LOT of women.
I'm saying that ugly guys are NOT casually fukking women on the regular. That's what the bet is about.
You forgot that I already said that coercion and manipulation are the only way that you can "talk" yourself into some p*ssy i.e. threatening to fire or evict a woman unless she gives it up. That's considered "game" to you?
I'm not buying that an ugly guy just needs to have a good conversation with some flirting to get any woman he wants.
I can also show you proof of numerous women saying they need to find a man physically attractive before they mess with him.
Give me an example you talking yourself into some p*ssy.
Just make the bet and we can solve this in real time...
Ok we are saying the same things.. We just have different definitions...
1. Ugly guys WITH GAME can casually fukk women on the regular.. You never had an ugly nikka around you that still ate all the time?? You never seen an ugly or down bad man with a woman and thought "now how in the fukk he pull that?" It happens
2. You are using coercion and manipulation in a damn near criminal way. And this is where we are seeing GAME in two different ways
Game TO ME.. is I walk up on a girl.. Baby you are the finest woman up in here (a lie)... I mean damn.. I'm so glad I ran into you, you just made my whole week (a lie). What's your name? Oh I'm Dev (truth)... Nice to meet you (Truth). You got a man cause I don't want to disrespect you like that(I could care less)? Damn I'm shocked you single (lie). I'd never let you run around here single looking this damn good (more lies). Am I looking for a relationship? You know.... I don't seek but I pray every day God puts the right woman in my lap so I can spoil her (lies lies lies lies). So you out here by yourself? Yea I come out this way every other week (lie). I'm here on business (lie). And I'd really like to get to know you (lie). What? Oh hell nah I'm not just chasing p*ssy (lie). I really want to find a woman to date (lie). In fact, we can go get something to eat right after we leave here (truth). There's a nice diner over here and they serve drinks late too (truth). Maybe we can get some food and chat it up a bit (truth).
No I'm not pulling a fukking gun out. No I'm not telling her I drive a lambo and I make 500k a year.. But hell fukking yea I'm gaming her the fukk up. I don't give two shyts about her, her man, what she got going on, dating, getting to know her... I'm at the club, I'm trying to take her to the spot, tell her more lies and flirts and untruths, and then ask her to come back to the hotel to watch a movie (BIG LIE).
Here's the thing.. She know I'm lying too.. But she gaming ME into thinking she a good wholesome, nice girl, just normal and single... And not some whore from the club that would come to the hotel of some nikka she met 10 minutes ago..
THAT is game. Now you right.. Some nikkas take it too far. My cousin used to get books at the library and then carry them around the college trying to get bytches.. He doing too much.. Some will gorilla pimp and pull the gun out or threaten or hurt.. We ain't on that type of time.
Oh but selling a broad a dream.. Making her laugh her ass off all night.. Gassing her head up to the high heavens with slick bullshyt she ain't never heard before.. Having a great memory and being able to recall things she says at the right time to also be funny... Come on dog.. Whit, Charm, Charisma, Sense of Humor, Intelligence, Being a good speaker... These are LIFE SKILLS every man should have in his bag.. You can be an ugly nikka with no game and you can be an ugly nikka with game.... Which one you think get more p*ssy?? So obviously it works
EDIT: Sounds like you know women who think one way and others know women who think the opposite... Seems women aren't some monolith that all have decided no game works.. As YOU said.. There are outliers always