"You Can Only Avoid The Truth For So Long" Brook v Spence SHOWTIME 5/27 Fight Thread

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Axum Ezana

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Doesn't matter what he does in training bruh. I've seen just about all of his fights & he doesn't. He gets touched EVERY fight. He's fortunate Lartey was the only guy he fought with some semblance of any kind of power & he was lucky there.

1.he caught spence swinging wildy with a perfect counter.....anybody would stagger after getting hit when they are trying to throw their own punch at full strength but end up getting hit also while not seeing it. he did recover but he was a bit more timid when he fought lartley the rest of the fight. hopefully spence defense is better vs brook and he doesn't get hit by too many counters. he doesn't fight as wild anymore so brook gonna have to set him up slicker.

I still do agree that he takes unnecessary shots while tryna get in and even in that chris fight at times when he had him against the ropes.

2. you say spence has not fought guys with power since lartley but hes fought multiple guys with a higher ko percentage since lartley. I mean how do you know lartley hits more powerful than those guys?? lartley hasn't koed stiff/A-B comp just like they haven't so im gonna assume they hit harder.:manny:
 
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spence doesnt throw punches pre determinedly. when he throws a punch he is feeling you out and reading your reactions to pick when and where to add on more punches next.

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spence doesnt move his head a lot but he does have a good step back. guys with good step backs tend to maintain front foot pressure to stay ready to press down and push off and step back. he may not move his head a lot but he does stay ready to step back.

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spence comes in carefully not recklessly. when he throws a jab he throws it to feel you out. he is trying to read your reactions to know when to add on more punches to the jab or when to step back. spence can counter but he is not really a counter puncher. he takes turns. my turn. your turn.

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spence uses his jab to feel you out and read you to know when to add on more punches and take his turn and he uses his step back when you try to take your turn. its basic. it works. brook uses his jab to hang you out on the end of his reach where he can maintain the range he needs to have to steal you with right hands, hit you with pull counters, and step back and hit you with check hooks.

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spence comes in carefully not recklessly and wont run into a lot of counters but just a threat of being countered can make spence a lot more tentative coming in. brook throws one jab every few seconds. spence is going to try to mount attacks during the dead gaps in between brook jabs. brook has to steal right hands and try to force spence to step back and reset when he is trying to take turns during his dead gaps. a mixture of counter punching and stealing can make spence tentative and uncertain and free up brook to coast with the jab.



so does brook. but spence hits harder. when spence mounts attacks during brook dead gaps brook cant just cover up or be passive. spence can sense when you are just trying to cover up. when you get passive he gets vicious. when spence jabs and can sense nothing is coming back he adds on more punches.

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when spence adds on more punches to his jabs he tends to go down to the body and wrap up his combos with clean up hooks around your elbow. he likes to go down to the body but he really likes to hit you everywhere. arms. hips. up. down. he likes to make a lot of contact.

brook has to grab spence whenever he comes in to prevent big combos from racking up to avoid a lot of damage from accruing and compounding from round to round and to shut down a big chunk of where spence generates a lot of workrate.

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brook cant be stationary. spence likes to set his feet. a guy who can stick and move has a big advantage over a guy who has to set his feet to punch. the guy who can stick and move can maintain a nice and steady workrate but the guy who has to set his feet cant. when you stick and move on a guy who has to set his feet to punch you do two things. you bring up your workrate. you bring down his. brook is a mover but he is not a pure mover. he has a tendency to transition into a boxer puncher and he has a nasty habit of backing up into the ropes and into corners. he cant back up into the ropes and into corners or spence is going to take care of business.

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brook is a really cute boxer and he can do a lot of really cute things. but he is not a hard guy to get to and i think spence gets to brook.

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I agree with soome of your assessment fam but I noticed you didn't put up any clips of Brook turning southpaw which he does from time to time. I think at some point during this fight he'll so that to vary up his attack & throw Spence off.
 

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1.he caught spence swinging wildling with a perfect counter.....anybody would stagger after getting hit when they are trying to throw their own punch at full strength but end up getting hit also while not seeing it. he did recover but he was a bit more timid when he fought lartley the rest of the fight. hopefully spence defense is better vs brook and he doesn't get hit by too many counters. he doesn't fight as wild anymore so brook gonna have to set him up slicker.

I still do agree that he takes unnecessary shot while tryna get in and even in that chris fight at times when he had him against the ropes.

2. you say spence has not fought guys with power since lartley but hes fought multiple guys with a higher ko percentage since lartley. I mean how do you lartley hits more powerful than those guys?? lartley hasn't koed stiff/A-B comp just like that haven't so im gonna assume they hit harder.:manny:

1 - Spence still loads up like he did in the Lartey fight'especially when guys are against the ropes. It's just a matter of time till someone counters him again & tries to catch & shoot when he's doing that. He's most vulnerable then & will get clipped & when he does get hurt he might not be let off the hook.

2- You can tell with everyone he's fought since his opponents had nothing for him; higher percentages or not. Lartey was probably the most strong + skilled he's fought & that's not saying much. I think he's ill prepared for this fight but I hope I'm wrong. I wanna see him & Thurman mix it up.
 

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Maybe its just the clips you posted but it seems like when Spence goes into attack mode he is wide open to be countered with something massive
That bottom clip is atrocious, He's winding up on shots bringing his hands way low and back and his head wide open. I get that this guy was in shell/survival mode but seeing shyt like that makes me wonder how elite fighters might play possum and set him up for these situations.
 

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Maybe its just the clips you posted but it seems like when Spence goes into attack mode he is wide open to be countered with something massive
That bottom clip is atrocious, He's winding up on shots bringing his hands way low and back and his head wide open. I get that this guy was in shell/survival mode but seeing shyt like that makes me wonder how elite fighters might play possum and set him up for these situations.

Someone's gonna catch n shoot & counter him (I said that above). Lartey already did it & hurt him
 

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How people talk about Spence's defense you would think dude is Margarito or some shyt. Hell, I'm not going to derail the thread but there's several current elite level/world champion fighters that are easier to hit than Spence.

If you're a prize fighter and people keep having to harp on a single punch from 3 years ago -- then you're doing alright for yourself.

Spence by 8th round KO. :sas1:
 

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How people talk about Spence's defense you would think dude is Margarito or some shyt. Hell, I'm not going to derail the thread but there's several current elite level/world champion fighters that are easier to hit than Spence.

If you're a prize fighter and people keep having to harp on a single punch from 3 years ago -- then you're doing alright for yourself.

Spence by 8th round KO. :sas1:

The problem is Spence has been touted as "elite" & the man to beat when he hasn't even faced anyone with any hope of challenging him. And when he fought someone with decent strength & skills he got stunned. If he beats Brook then he's elite.
 

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Maybe its just the clips you posted but it seems like when Spence goes into attack mode he is wide open to be countered with something massive
That bottom clip is atrocious, He's winding up on shots bringing his hands way low and back and his head wide open. I get that this guy was in shell/survival mode but seeing shyt like that makes me wonder how elite fighters might play possum and set him up for these situations.
he can. but he picks his shots good. he is thinking. he doesnt just throw a lot of punches. he can sense when punches are coming back and to step back or when to keep going.
 

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How people talk about Spence's defense you would think dude is Margarito or some shyt. Hell, I'm not going to derail the thread but there's several current elite level/world champion fighters that are easier to hit than Spence.

If you're a prize fighter and people keep having to harp on a single punch from 3 years ago -- then you're doing alright for yourself.

Spence by 8th round KO. :sas1:


Same shyt how nikkas kept calling El Hijo de Dios chinny back in the day because that hard punching jobbber Boone dropped him. It's a fight man nikkas are going to get hit.
 

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I just saw a video of Brooks family :mjpls:.


I'm now rooting for brook :mjpls:.
 

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The problem is Spence has been touted as "elite" & the man to beat when he hasn't even faced anyone with any hope of challenging him. And when he fought someone with decent strength & skills he got stunned. If he beats Brook then he's elite.

same can be said of kell brook. yall forgetting brook fought bum death row and showed up and got past one decent fighter in porter...now hes magically super elite.

the same porter people constantly shyt on for having terrible skills.

we'll see.
 

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spence has sparred jrmw, crusierweights and his trainer even said he spars Heavy Weights.

“I said he would be too fast. He exposed ‘Triple G,’” said James to Michael Woods of RingTV.com. “Errol would knock them both out. He spars with heavyweights and cruiserweights every day…I have to talk to [Spence] about it and I believe he will beat [Golovkin] with skill, power and speed, but it’s up to him to actually take the fight.”

we'll see how terrible his chin is though :sas1:



spence the sparring king champion:blessed:
 

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same can be said of kell brook. yall forgetting brook fought bum death row and showed up and got past one decent fighter in porter...now hes magically super elite.

the same porter people constantly shyt on for having terrible skills.

we'll see.

Brook's one good win obliterates anything Spence has ever done as a pro fam. No one ever said Brook is "super elite" but he's one of the best in the division. You can't just think thrust Spence in that same mix based on his potential.
 
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same can be said of kell brook. yall forgetting brook fought bum death row and showed up and got past one decent fighter in porter...now hes magically super elite.

the same porter people constantly shyt on for having terrible skills.

we'll see.

That 1 win shyts on Spences resume

People can say what they want about Porter but hes giving every fighter a tough time and when he does lose its on some (barely) 7-5 shyt

He actually stood there and banged with Porter, lot of other fighters were on their bike against him

Spence wouldnt beat Porter :mjpls:
 
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