Year 21 and Lebron still has NO MOVES?

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Bron has never had "a bag" because he never needed it.

If you're 250 lbs+, 6'9" but can outrun/jump 99% of the NBA for most of your career.....why would you need a bag?

Peak Steph had less of a bag than Kyrie but Steph was always more effective at putting the biscuit in the basket. Sometimes having one or two devastating/efficient moves is better than a bottomless bag of tricks.

 

[Everythingg]

Damn only 37%? I disagree about the sagging off that shyt has never really been a defensive strategy for Bron but I definitely thought his mid % would have been higher. 37% is bad smh. Mostly contested and that's just a fact, people do not just "back off" Bron.

Didn't the spurs get a ring by sagging off and letting him shoot? It became harder to do that later in his career because he switched it up to spamming pick and rolls til he gets a mismatch he can attack.

Calling Bron the GOAT is like saying Shaq was better than Hakeem. Sure they may have been better when it comes longevity, but the actual skill of basketball? Not a chance

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Didn't the spurs get a ring by sagging off and letting him shoot? It became harder to do that later in his career because he switched it up to spamming pick and rolls til he gets a mismatch he can attack.

Yes, they did that when he was 22yo and they didn't have a single player on the court they had to worry about guarding besides him. Funny how the Pistons with three All-Defensive Team players on the court were unable to stop him that same year though.


Now as his game matured, he was able to do this in Game 7 while being guarded by a two-time DPOY:

37-12-4 on 12-21 shooting, nearly all of it from midrange or 3pt.

And that's in the pressure of a Game 7 with a great individual defender, a great rim protector, a great defensive scheme, and only 3 other players on his team even scored that game (Chalmers, Wade, and Battier). But yeah, keep defining his career by a Finals performance that came when he was 6 years younger than Jordan's first Finals.

 

[Everythingg]

Yes, they did that when he was 22yo and they didn't have a single player on the court they had to worry about guarding besides him. Funny how the Pistons with three All-Defensive Team players on the court were unable to stop him that same year though.


Now as his game matured, he was able to do this in Game 7 while being guarded by a two-time DPOY:

37-12-4 on 12-21 shooting, nearly all of it from midrange or 3pt.

And that's in the pressure of a Game 7 with a great individual defender, a great rim protector, a great defensive scheme, and only 3 other players on his team even scored that game (Chalmers, Wade, and Battier). But yeah, keep defining his career by a Finals performance that came when he was 6 years younger than Jordan's first Finals.

Lebron outside of 3 feet shoots 37% for his career. In the midrange itself he also shoots 37%. Trash

Anyone can have a game or stretch of good to great shooting games in a row. Overall? If he's not getting to the bucket, he's terrible. He also shoots 73% from FT which is not terrible, but below average. Essentially, he's Shaq at the wing. Someone that gets it done by being faster and stronger than everyone else. His skills? Lackluster tbh.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

What’s the point of stringing together moves when prime Bron could drop his shoulder and get a lay. It’s like a Giannis bag argument to me. Some nikkas are so physically gifted that they don’t need a bag

Kobe vs. Jordan devolves into the same arguments too where Kobe stans try to settle for Kobe being more skilled...but MJ didn't need as deep of a bag as Kobe because he was more athletic and made quicker decisions on top of that. Plus was better off-the-ball

 

[DetroitEWarren]

Kobe vs. Jordan devolves into the same arguments too where Kobe stans try to settle for Kobe being more skilled...but MJ didn't need as deep of a bag as Kobe because he was more athletic and made quicker decisions on top of that. Plus was better off-the-ball

Only skillful thing Kobe has over MJ was the modern crossover.

MJ didn't have the outside pocket rock from hand to hand crossover that AI and Kobe made popular. MJ still had the most effective transitions from one spot to the other, usually based off the first step, or the change of direction with the 2nd dribble.

MJ was better than everybody else.

 

[kdslittlebro]

I will never understand these threads…like are we supposed to be like “yeah that nikka bron trash and been trash” .

It’s a dog whistle for dumbasses (basketball-wise)

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Lebron outside of 3 feet shoots 37% for his career. In the midrange itself he also shoots 37%. Trash

False. You're either using outdated data or just making shyt up.


LeBron for his career has shot 39% from 16-23 and 35% from 3pt.

For comparison, Kobe shot 40% from 16-23 and 33% from 3pt.

Anyone can have a game or stretch of good to great shooting games in a row. Overall? If he's not getting to the bucket, he's terrible.

It wasn't just one game. LeBron that season shot 45% from 16-23 and 41% from 3pt. Overall, his midrange and three-point averages for his four years in Miami are higher than any four-year stretch in Kobe's career.

Got any more easily disprovable misinformation today, Mr. right-wing Flat Earther?

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[Everythingg]

False. You're either using outdated data or just making shyt up.


LeBron for his career has shot 39% from 16-23 and 35% from 3pt.

For comparison, Kobe shot 40% from 16-23 and 33% from 3pt.


It wasn't just one game. LeBron that season shot 45% from 16-23 and 41% from 3pt. Overall, his midrange and three-point averages for his four years in Miami are higher than any four-year stretch in Kobe's career.

First off mid range is considered 10-23 feet. But even if we ignore that, Lebrons FG% outside of 3feet is still 37%. If it ain’t a layup or dunk he’s makes it 37% of the time FOR HIS CAREER. Garbage



Its also funny how when Bron joins a top 5 player (Wade) and another top 5 player at PF (Bosh) while also playing in a real offense for once,his shooting is better. But as time goes on (I.e. league catches up) its back to being Lebrick and his career trickles down to being a 37% shooter when not dunking or getting a layup. His shooting percentages in the 2020 when they won the Minnie Mouse bubble ring:

5-9:36%
10-14:29%
15-19:35%
20-24:35%

Straight trash

 

[LexDiamonds]

no moves but still voted the best player on team usa

Might be because he pulls off shyt like the below that just doesn't seem possible.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

First off mid range is considered 10-23 feet. But even if we ignore that, Lebrons FG% outside of 3feet is still 37%. If it ain’t a layup or dunk he’s makes it 37% of the time FOR HIS CAREER. Garbage

Why do you keep making that claim without sourcing it? You already lied and claimed his career midrange % was 37, how many other lies you add in here? Plus trying to combine his 3pt % with his midrange % is an idiotic way to look at him, because shooting 35% from 3pt is NOTHING like shooting 35% from midrange, it's literally worth 50% more. So unless you know where those shots were taken, your claim is nonsense.


This is Bron for his career:

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0-3 feet: 74% - 35% of his shots
3-10 feet: 43% - 13% of his shots
10-16 feet: 37% - 10% of his shots
16-23 feet: 39% - 18% of his shots
3pt: 35% - 24% of his shots


Compare that to Kobe:

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0-3: 64% 10 points less than Bron
3-10: 44% 1 point more than Bron
10-16: 43% 6 points more than Bron
16-23: 40% 1 point more than Bron
3pt: 33% 2 points less than Bron


So is Kobe "trash" from 3-10, 16-23, and 3pt too?

The ONLY location from which Kobe is meaningfully better than Bron is from 10-16 feet.....and that's literally the least efficient place on the court to shoot (because it neither spreads the floor nor draws fouls nor gets you a high-% shot), which is why Bron only takes 10% of his shots from there. For the 60% of Bron's game that is either at the rim or at 3pt range, he's better than Kobe, and for the 30% of his game that is from 3-10 and 16-23, he's within 1% of Kobe.



And in Miami, when Bron's game had matured and peaked?

0-3 feet: 77%
3-10 feet: 49%
10-16 feet: 44%
16-23 feet: 41%
3pt: 37%

You claimed that Bron could only maintain it for a game or two, yet he maintained those elite shooting #'s for FOUR YEARS. Like I already pointed out, there is no four-year stretch of Kobe's career where he surpassed those #'s.

 

[Everythingg]

You already lied and claimed his career midrange % was 37, how many other lies you add in here?

Huh? Around 40% of his shots are in the paint and outside of that he shoots 37% from the field. Thats pathetic. The mid range 37% number is based on 10-23 ft and is, again, pathetic. He gets by on being stronger or faster than those guarding him or spamming pick and rolls until he gets a mismatch. And that's ignoring the PED allegations he's faced over the years. Its Shaq-like, who dominated but lacked the skill of other bigs like Duncan or Hakeem...

And if you want to compare Kobe and Lebron, tell me what their percentage is outside of 3ft. Otherwise you’re just deflecting like you usually do

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And if you want to compare Kobe and Lebron, tell me what their percentage is outside of 3ft. Otherwise you’re just deflecting like you usually do

But that number is meaningless. It would combine 3pt shots (for which 37% is great) with long twos (for which 37% is average) and shorter twos (for which 37% is poor). A player that shoots a bunch of midrange twos at 45% and a few threes at 25% could have a higher combined % than a player who only rarely shot those midrange twos at the same 45% efficiency but made 35% of his threes....even though the second player would be doing a FAR better job of playing basketball.

I broke down Bron's shooting into his exact numbers by distance, which is FAR more important information. You're literally asking for a lower-IQ analysis because you know the actual info makes you look stupid.

Bron was FAR better than Kobe at the rim and that was his most-taken shot (+10 Bron)
Bron and Kobe are virtually equal from 3-10 (+1 Kobe)
Kobe was better than Bron 10-16, but that was his least-taken shot on the court (+6 Kobe)
Bron and Kobe are virtually equal from 16-23 (+1 Kobe)
Bron is slightly better than Kobe from 3pt (+2 Bron)


So again, if Bron is "trash" from outside of 3 feet, then is Kobe trash from 3-10, 16-23, and 3pt too? Because the ONLY place that Kobe was shooting meaningfully better than Bron was from 10-16, and even there he was only 43% which means it was an inefficient shot to take very often.




You know what's really scary for you?

Bron for his career was 56% from 2pt and 35% from 3pt.
Jordan for his career was 51% from 2pt and 33% from 3pt, and that's even counting 3 seasons with a short 3pt line when his jump shot was peaking.

So unless you want to believe that MJ was never getting to the rim.....then you have to accept that MJ was a worse shooter outside 3ft than Bron was.

 

[Everythingg]

But that number is meaningless.

When you have a cape on for Lebron maybe. You saying “well his 3pt percentage isn’t that bad” is irrelevant. The 37% stat says that if it isn’t a layup or dunk he’s only gonna put the ball in the hoop 37% of the time.

You say that means Kobe is trash too. So I’ll ask again, what is Kobe’s FG% outside of 3ft? If you’re not bringing it then


And if you don’t know, then why not just say that?

You know what's really scary for you?

Bron for his career was 56% from 2pt and 35% from 3pt.
Jordan for his career was 51% from 2pt and 33% from 3pt,

40% of Lebrons total FGs are in the paint and that’s with him also playing anywhere from 7-9 years in a small ball era where a lot of teams were playing 4 and out with only one big man in the paint. While MJ on the other hand was 16 when the NBA first got the 3pt line and didn’t have it when he was in college. He also had to meet 2 bigs at the rim whenever he drove instead of getting to play 4 and out pick and roll ball like Bron did. And then there’s him playing against more quality big men in his era and not having the 3sec in the paint violation which allowed the more quality bigs to camp in the paint and wait on him to drive.

Blindly comparing 3pt % between him and someone from the modern era is like comparing Larry Birds % and Karl Towns% and saying Towns is a better shooter because he has a better %. 3pt shooting wasn’t as important then as it is today since those players didn’t grow up with that being part of the game. MJs mid range and FT% tell a better story of his shooting ability and, of course, he has LBJ beat there.

Lebron was blessed genetically to be faster and stronger than everyone like Shaq (plus PEDs potentially/allegedly) and ain’t nothing wrong with that.But skill (offensively)? Besides passing he doesn’t show much.

 

[Still Benefited]

But that number is meaningless. It would combine 3pt shots (for which 37% is great) with long twos (for which 37% is average) and shorter twos (for which 37% is poor). A player that shoots a bunch of midrange twos at 45% and a few threes at 25% could have a higher combined % than a player who only rarely shot those midrange twos at the same 45% efficiency but made 35% of his threes....even though the second player would be doing a FAR better job of playing basketball.

I broke down Bron's shooting into his exact numbers by distance, which is FAR more important information. You're literally asking for a lower-IQ analysis because you know the actual info makes you look stupid.

Bron was FAR better than Kobe at the rim and that was his most-taken shot (+10 Bron)
Bron and Kobe are virtually equal from 3-10 (+1 Kobe)
Kobe was better than Bron 10-16, but that was his least-taken shot on the court (+6 Kobe)
Bron and Kobe are virtually equal from 16-23 (+1 Kobe)
Bron is slightly better than Kobe from 3pt (+2 Bron)


So again, if Bron is "trash" from outside of 3 feet, then is Kobe trash from 3-10, 16-23, and 3pt too? Because the ONLY place that Kobe was shooting meaningfully better than Bron was from 10-16, and even there he was only 43% which means it was an inefficient shot to take very often.




You know what's really scary for you?

Bron for his career was 56% from 2pt and 35% from 3pt.
Jordan for his career was 51% from 2pt and 33% from 3pt, and that's even counting 3 seasons with a short 3pt line when his jump shot was peaking.

So unless you want to believe that MJ was never getting to the rim.....then you have to accept that MJ was a worse shooter outside 3ft than Bron was.

Kobe was shooting fade aways while being double teamed. They leave Bron wide open begging him to shoot