Ya'll seen Jason Heyward new contract with the Cubs?

[Remote]

what the fukk was mccutchens agent doing?

McCutchen took a 52 million dollar contract extension before the 2012 season when he was 25.
The year before he hit .259/.364/.456 --- very good numbers, but not as great as what he would do in 2012 and since.

A lot of young players in recent years have been taking 40, 50 million dollar contract extensions very early on in their careers. It gives the team a certain level of control...and it gives the players early financial security.

But yes, if McCutchen was on the market last year or even this year, he'd almost certainly be a 200M+ player.

 

[Ohene]

McCutchen took a 52 million dollar contract extension before the 2012 season when he was 25.
The year before he hit .259/.364/.456 --- very good numbers, but not as great as what he would do in 2012 and since.

A lot of young players in recent years have been taking 40, 50 million dollar contract extensions very early on in their careers. It gives the team a certain level of control...and it gives the players early financial security.

But yes, if McCutchen was on the market last year or even this year, he'd almost certainly be a 200M+ player.

in that case fair enough for both sides. i thought it was a more recent deal

 

[Remote]

in that case fair enough for both sides. i thought it was a more recent deal

It's something that's becoming more common.

I think Evan Longoria and Ryan Braun initially signed such deals.

Braun had signed a 45M deal in 2008.
And Longoria had taken a 17M deal in 2008 as well.

They've obviously signed bigger extensions since. But if you're a young player making 600k or whatever and they're offering you a 5 or 6 million dollar salary bump per year...it's hard to turn it down.

 

[Osmar]

Isnt Trout getting like $20 mil a year before being FA eligible and set to be a FA at like 28? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Mike Trout

Average 24 a year.

Last 3 years he will be making 33+ a year

 

[god shamgod]

It's a stupid contract because the option is for the player, not the team.
You think Heyward is going to opt out when he's OPSing .750 in 3 years?

It's a horrendous contract for a guy who probably isn't even as good as Shin Soo Choo.

And it's not like Heyward is going to a hitters park where he could pad his stats.
Terrible, terrible deal.

2015 MLB Park Factors - Runs - Major League Baseball - ESPN

and Left handers OPSed .707 there last year.
2015 Chicago Cubs Batting Splits | Baseball-Reference.com





....and Heyward himself OPSed .632 at Wrigley last year

311/.376/.522

Heywards career slash numbers at wrigley you keep talking about ops when he was signed for defense,contact ability,the walks and baserunning/stealing and he has always hit good at wrigley and he'll be in a line up Full of Sluggers.If heyward plays anywhere near his ability he's opting out.You don't know what you're talking about at all

 

[Remote]

Heywards career slash numbers at wrigley you keep talking about ops when he was signed for defense,contact ability,the walks and baserunning/stealing and he has always hit good at wrigley and he'll be in a line up Full of Sluggers.If heyward plays anywhere near his ability he's opting out.You don't know what you're talking about at all

I looked it up and Heyward actually crushes it at Wrigley over 25-ish career games or so.

Look, I'll grant you that Heyward is a great defender and overall a valuable player.
But you don't pay 184 million for a guy whose bulk value comes from defense because you can find defense for relatively cheap.

If he suddenly becomes a .900 OPS guy at age 26 (certainly possible given his talent) then I'll eat my words.
But he'll have to develop a major power surge and quickly...or if he's gonna be a doubles machine, he needs to get into the 45-50 doubles range to justify that sort of contract.

Otherwise the Cubs will be stuck with a B-level outfielder they can't move.

 

[O.iatlhawksfan]

I thought he was rumored to be getting 300 million

 

[Remote]

I thought he was rumored to be getting 300 million

In yen?

 

[nomoreneveragain]

These Baseball contracts are just as bad as the Basketball contracts

 

[O.iatlhawksfan]

In yen?

And yes, that includes some 10-year projections. Tim Dierkes of MLB Trade Rumors projects Heyward to earn $200 million over 10 years. And even that might be selling him short, as Cliff Corcoran of Sports Illustrated calculated that Heyward could be worth well over $300 million in a 10-year deal.

Is Heyward Poised to Be MLB's Next 10-Year Megadeal?

 

[Deflatedhoopdreams]

Stupid??? They have no salary cap

Trickin ain't Trickin if you got it

 

[Remote]

Is Heyward Poised to Be MLB's Next 10-Year Megadeal?

He isn't. And he won't be.

That 184 million is a heist by Heyward.

Dude was 5th in the national league in WAR last season -- which is fantastic.
But of the top 10 guys in the NL, only 3 of them posted WAR values over 2.0:

Jason Heyward - 2.0
Nolan Arenado - 2.2
and Brandon Crawford - 2.9

Now with Arenado and Crawford, those are left side infielders where defensive value IS something you pay heavily for. So if the Rockies wanted to pay Nolan 184 million, it's more understanding (Arenado's 24 by the way). And Crawford signed for 75 million.

But at the power positions, especially in the outfield, it's very very rare to pay for defensive value. And frankly I'm not terribly confident Heyward's gonna repeat or improve on a 3.8 offensive WAR on a season he posted a (nearly) career high BABIP of .329.

Could he? Absolutely. But that's a lot of money to risk for a player with an unpredictable record.
And especially considering the Cubs were nearly a World Series team as it is. It just isn't a move they even needed to do.

Maybe the hope is that because Heyward is a patient hitter...that he'll figure to see a lot better pitches to hit with Rizzo and Bryant (presumably) ahead of him in the line up and that could help his production.
I still have no idea who the fukk the Cubs were bidding against for him. 184 is outrageous.

 

[god shamgod]

I looked it up and Heyward actually crushes it at Wrigley over 25-ish career games or so.

Look, I'll grant you that Heyward is a great defender and overall a valuable player.
But you don't pay 184 million for a guy whose bulk value comes from defense because you can find defense for relatively cheap.

If he suddenly becomes a .900 OPS guy at age 26 (certainly possible given his talent) then I'll eat my words.
But he'll have to develop a major power surge and quickly...or if he's gonna be a doubles machine, he needs to get into the 45-50 doubles range to justify that sort of contract.

Otherwise the Cubs will be stuck with a B-level outfielder they can't move.

Cubs have a line up full of sluggers heyward don't have to do all that,he was signed to balance the line up and upgrade the outfield defense.The contact ability,low strikeouts and the walks is why heyward and zobrist were acquired but I understand what you're saying,to me signing a 26 year old for less than 200 mil with an opt out at 29 or 30 is a good deal especially if he hits better than he has up to this point in his career he'll opt out and get paid again and I look at it more like a 3-4 year deal.His value to this particular team is based off the gold gloves and War more than hitting and he hits good wrigley

 

[god shamgod]

I still have no idea who the fukk the Cubs were bidding against for him. 184 is outrageous.

It wasn't even the biggest offer he got

 

[Remote]

It wasn't even the biggest offer he got