Yale study shows pre-school teachers single out black boys

[High Art]

More attention should be paid to this thread.

 

[TheKongoEmpire]

This is why we need targeted investment for black boys in our schools; not girls.

Fallen on deaf ears. Dr. T Hassan Johnson talks about this constantly.

 

[TheKongoEmpire]

Studies and experiences that I'm reading in this thread is the reason why if I do have children, it's won't be in America. We're behind enemy lines.

 

[Tair]

This is why we need targeted investment for black boys in our schools; not girls.

I believe we can still focus on girls (they are still targeted), but there is a definite need to also place focus on the boys.

Black men are simply looked at as more threatening in society period and the fact that they are looking at a BOY as a higher threat just confirms what most already knew from firsthand experience.

They are unknowingly creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Mr.bocario]

that pipeline.

and i don't expect many of the "blame rap for everything" people to come in here. all aspects of our society work against black males at all ages.

You know they won’t. They just want simple solutions in cute little memes instead of addressing complicated systematic issues

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That’s a dumb ass study. They love studying shyt that’s already confirmed. nikka go study some rocks or shyt, not this goofy ass shyt. Wasting good ass labs for this shyt

Well, well, well

Always nice to have some data to back up what was already known. Notice even the black teachers were on that

School to prison pipeline in full effect

I mean, I guess. I guess we gotta have study’s to validate what we already know. If that’s how it works that’s how it works. But it’s redundant to me.

Like @Nagarjuna says, it's important to have provable data to back it up even if we know it's reality. And a lot of the things we think we know turn out to be a lot more complicated than we thought. There's a lot of stuff from the past that everyone thought was "obvious" which turned out not to be true at all.

I’m assuming most of the teachers in this study or research, were women.

Most teachers are women, so most teachers in any study are going to be women. We need more men teaching, especially Black men. Are you doing anything about that yourself or just complaining?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yeah you kind of get the feeling they're afraid to teach black children, and because of this the students grow bored and tune out. They underestimate how perceptive kids are, and don't realize they can see and feel that you don't want to teach them. We had a couple white teachers that were fully invested, and their ability to engage students was reflected in student performance...Which was night and day in comparison to the ones that were there to just catch a check.

Malcolm Gladwell has a great chapter in Blink regarding how many White people in positions of power use different body language with Black folk than they use with White folk. Black folk pick up on those negative nonverbal cues and react accordingly like any person would - it puts them more on edge, reduces their confidence, makes them more uncertain on how to react next. The conversation becomes more stilted, less comfortable as a result. Then the White people in turn see that reaction and think, "This person isn't competent" or get other negative impressions, failing to realize that it was their own body language that created the situation in the first place. It puts Black interviewees or employees at a distinct disadvantage.

If that's true even for adults, think of how much more true it must be for children.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I believe we can still focus on girls (they are still targeted), but there is a definite need to also place focus on the boys.

Girls are still discriminated against in math and science (in many instances) and at the highest levels of education.

Boys, especially Black boys, are discriminated against in the elementary levels across the board. And the large % of boys who do not fit the perfect model of quiet studious compliant modern student (due to attention issues, learning disabilities, struggles with solely verbal learning strategies, or hyperactivity) continue to be discriminated against up through college.

I would never link up and have a child with someone who believes in the public school system.

Home school or an elite private school. Was never even a question for me.

However you feel about your own child, there isn't a single nation on Earth that has succeeded by focusing on home schooling or private schooling. You can argue that that's best for your kids, but if you want the best results for your community than you HAVE to focus on public schools. Literally every successful society has made that investment, and the societies that prioritize private school over public education (like India) continue to have some of the worst learning outcomes on the planet.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/09/27/yale-study-suggests-racial-bias-among-preschool-teachers/

A HUGE number of the replies in this thread seem not to have read the critical statement in the OP.

"White and Black teachers spent significantly more time watching the Black boy"

We need far more Black teachers, especially more Black male teachers. Please be a part of that solution if you can. But all the talk about educational segregation being the answer is completely ignorant of what the study actually found, or the fact that Black students in integrated schools tend to significantly outperform Black students in segregated schools. The issues are far deeper than "bring back segregation" and the solutions aren't so trite.

Impact of Classroom Segregation on Student Education | American University

The history of classroom segregation in the US reflects the nation's continuing legacy of racism and systemic racial inequality.

soeonline.american.edu

G. Orfield, “Schools More Separate: Consequences of a Decade of Resegregation,” The Civil Rights Project, Harvard University, July 2001, http://civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/...gation/orfield-schools-more-separate-2001.pdf.

D. Card and J. Rothstein, “Racial Segregation and the Black-White Test Score Gap,” working paper, The National Bureau of Economic Research, Cambridge, MA, 2006, https://www.nber.org/papers/w12078.pdf.

Sean Reardon, Demetra Kalogrides, and Kenneth Shores, “The Geography of Racial/Ethnic Test Score Gaps”, CEPA Working Paper No.16-10, May 2018.

Rucker Johnson, “Long-Run Impacts of School Desegregation and School Quality on Adult Attainments,” NBER Working Paper (Revised August 2015), https://gsppi.berkeley.edu/~ruckerj/johnson_schooldesegregation_NBERw16664.pdf.

 

[F*ckthemkids]

Malcolm Gladwell has a great chapter in Blink regarding how many White people in positions of power use different body language with Black folk than they use with White folk. Black folk pick up on those negative nonverbal cues and react accordingly like any person would - it puts them more on edge, reduces their confidence, makes them more uncertain on how to react next. The conversation becomes more stilted, less comfortable as a result. Then the White people in turn see that reaction and think, "This person isn't competent" or get other negative impressions, failing to realize that it was their own body language that created the situation in the first place. It puts Black interviewees or employees at a distinct disadvantage.

If that's true even for adults, think of how much more true it must be for children.

That makes so much sense. The child picks up on it immediately and then sees a white teacher/white student interaction and their suspicions are confirmed. How was the book overall?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

keep on

 

[GoAggieGo.]

Like @Nagarjuna says, it's important to have provable data to back it up even if we know it's reality. And a lot of the things we think we know turn out to be a lot more complicated than we thought. There's a lot of stuff from the past that everyone thought was "obvious" which turned out not to be true at all.






Most teachers are women, so most teachers in any study are going to be women. We need more men teaching, especially Black men. Are you doing anything about that yourself or just complaining?

Yes.

 

[High Art]

While more black male teachers is good, I can't help but feel as if we're ignoring a key aspect of this: The internal attitudes about black boys that these teachers have. For the teachers that are not black, one could blame racism and so on for this behavior but what about the black teachers? If a majority of the teachers are female, then we can assume they're black female teachers. What excuse do they have? More attention should be paid to this. Especially how we've seen, with some black therapists, a similar issue. How pervasive is this issue? Why are people so set in ignoring this particular aspect? Because simply put, possibly pervasive anti-black male sentiment in the educational system by people who are black and thus are trusted and expected to be understanding towards black issues is beyond terrifying. Even more so than the fact that this thread continues to languish and be ignored while a thread on some random racist white youtuber ("It's just the internet") or passport bros is triple platinum.

I'd also wonder, if this is a pervasive problem, how much good would a black male teacher do if even the system is not working in tandem with him on this issue? One could do good but I can't help but feel that he would end up being stone-walled on various issues.

I'm beginning to understand the pessimism about "the community".

 

[CopiousX]

While more black male teachers is good, I can't help but feel as if we're ignoring a key aspect of this: The internal attitudes about black boys that these teachers have. For the teachers that are not black, one could blame racism and so on for this behavior but what about the black teachers? If a majority of the teachers are female, then we can assume they're black female teachers. What excuse do they have? More attention should be paid to this. Especially how we've seen, with some black therapists, a similar issue. How pervasive is this issue? Why are people so set in ignoring this particular aspect? Because simply put, possibly pervasive anti-black male sentiment in the educational system by people who are black and thus are trusted and expected to be understanding towards black issues is beyond terrifying. Even more so than the fact that this thread continues to languish and be ignored while a thread on some random racist white youtuber ("It's just the internet") or passport bros is triple platinum.

I'd also wonder, if this is a pervasive problem, how much good would a black male teacher do if even the system is not working in tandem with him on this issue? One could do good but I can't help but feel that he would end up being stone-walled on various issues.

I'm beginning to understand the pessimism about "the community".

Its a shame that black people live in high concentrations within red states. I wouldve suggested continuing education classes for teachers, admin, counselor’s etc about prexisting bias, but im 99% sure that is considered “woke” and it would be shot down.

Those classes actually do work. Im embarrased to admit this, but i never knew so much about femal sexual harrasment until i joined a warren buffet company which mandates such classes, because of their wide reach and SDG requirements. It wasnt some bullsht single course you take immediatley after getting a job. You would take these every other month. They even forced us to stop work and and gave us timeslots to do them. By the third time taking the course , i found myself both empathizing with women and understanding the legal restrictions on what can or cant occur in a workplace, and even specific state requirements (for example california going OCD with restrictions .

 

[Ayo]

This shyt is being weaponized, honed and forever baked into the algorithm of this country, literally.

All education data is heavily biased against black people. Now what happens when you train AI models on this data. And tell it black people score lower on tests. They get disciplined more. And then a school buys a predictive piece of software that does their scheduling or admission. Cops buy software that tells them who’s going to commit a crime or not. Credit checks. Loan acceptance. List goes on and on.

And once it’s a black box. Good luck legislating with a black box.