WW2 tidbits. France and UK could've crushed Nazi Germany but didn't

Dorian Breh

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Odd you'd call that thread retarded but not the shyt show in the OP.

This shyt kinda dumb

But the idea that France and (particularly) England could have nipped Naziism in the bud by defending Poland or even before that not letting the Germans militarize is more coherent than the idea that Hitler ever could have controlled Western Europe without invading Russia
 

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The big myth we are taught is that anti Semitic beliefs weren't wide spread and eugenics was some kind of fringe crackpot 'science' and not something being taught in American and European universities.

Fact of the matter is blood is on the hands of the British and French and yes the Americans too. The difference is that Germany wanted to use modern technology to create a rapid genocide instead of the slow process of the Americans and other Europeans. They wanted an empire too like what the French and British wanted. They were all doing the same thing, its just that Germany was blatant about it and trying to do it as fast as possible.

If you went back to the 1920s and said a country in Europe would attempt to kill every person with Jewish heritage, you could make a strong argument that it would be France or Britain and especially France because of the Dreyfuss controversy. The real heroes were the anti fascists that were in the streets scrapping with nazis in Germany and fascists in Spain and Italy. They saw what was coming and they put in work while the 'allies' dragged their feet. This is the same anti-fa that so called 'conservatives' are angry at here.
 

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When I say "rolled over" I dont mean give up the war. I mean they should never have allowed the blame and consequences to be place solely at their feet. They should have held off for better terms that wouldn't leave them fukked after the war.

To be fair, during the peace negotiations in the summer of 1919, the political leadership of Germany was well aware that the conditions of peace were going to be ruinous. They went to the military--what was left of it--and asked if they would be able to recommence hostilities. "No." The Army was in ruins and the Navy was in the possession of the Entente. What's more, there were Entente soldiers on German soil. Thus, they came to the conclusion that they were going to have to eat shyt.
 

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Yeah I have my details swapped. They aligned with the central powers not knowing that the central powers planned on dividing their land up after the war.
All good.. Actually didnt ever read much on what would happen if Central Powers won for Ottoman, so thanks for bringing that up and how Ottoman empire would have likely been divided, and a Persia is created. Learned something new
 

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I was reading some stuff 6 or 7 months ago, seen sumthin about Herbert Prescott Bush funding Adolf Hitler & the Nazis during WWII...:ohhh::yeshrug:

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Before the United States entered the war, Henry Ford was himself an admirer of Hitler and Nazi Germany. He even received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest medal Nazi Germany awarded to a foreigner.

The Ford Motor Company was no less important to the Nazi war machine. Ford’s German division was building cars for Germany prior to the war, but its German manufacturing plants were repurposed during the war to manufacture military trucks. According to The Washington Post, (Dobbs, 1998) war documents showed that General Motors and Ford both “went along with the conversion of their German plants to military production at a time when U.S. government documents show they were still resisting calls by the Roosevelt administration to step up military production in their plants at home.”

Ford is almost symbolic of the complex, contradictory relationship some American companies had with Nazi Germany. To begin with, the company’s founder, Henry Ford, was revered by Adolph Hitler, who called Ford “my inspiration” and kept a portrait of him near his desk. Why did Ford, an American manufacturer, gain such respect from the notorious Nazi? Hitler was notably impressed with the automobile mass production innovations forged by Ford — but there is a darker reason. Hitler also embraced Ford’s brazen anti-Semitism, which the American carmaker expressed in articles about “a vast Jewish conspiracy” published in The Dearborn Independent, owned by Ford.


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Watson himself met with Hitler. As a result, IBM developed a relationship with Nazi Germany to the extent that the company supplied the punch card technology used to conduct a census. The census was nothing more than a thinly veiled excuse to identify and track “undesirables,” such as Jews and Gypsies, so they could be exterminated by the Nazis. The system kept tabs on millions of individuals, tracking them from their homes and workplaces to concentration and extermination camps. The Nazis were scrupulous record-keepers; IBM’s technology was even used to identify where each individual was sent and how each one died.


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By 1941, Standard Oil of New Jersey had virtually become a monopoly again, responsible for eighty-four percent of the U.S. petroleum market. Oil was such a critical resource during World War II that both sides, the Allies and the Axis countries, desperately needed it. The two largest stockholders of Standard Oil of New Jersey at the time were the Rockefeller family and the giant German manufacturer IG Farben, which played a major role in supporting the Nazi regime. It was only natural that Standard Oil became a supplier to Nazi Germany.

Prior to the United States entering the war, Standard Oil actively assisted the Nazis with technology that allowed them to produce synthetic gasoline from coal. This was crucial because, while Nazi Germany had rich coal resources, they had little access to crude petroleum. In addition, Standard Oil, along with other companies, provided the tetraethyl lead gasoline necessary for planes of the German air force, the Luftwaffe. As such, Standard Oil literally fueled the Nazi war machine.


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Chase Bank.
Chase Bank was one of many around the world that continued to work with Nazi during World War II. They also froze the assets of many European Jewish customers as a common practice to cooperate with the Third Reich.





Coca-Cola Company.

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Coca-Cola played both American and German sides during World War II, but in 1941, the German side ran out of sugary syrup to make the soft drink. So Coca-Cola’s German division invented Fanta to continue to sell Coca-Cola brands in the Germany without breaking any restrictions or an embargo.





The United States was dirty as hell. Which is probably why the kiss Israel's ass so much, and give them billions of dollars a year in free money
 

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Folks have to study history and geography then everything they do will make sense.

Imagine you are a tribe of people that lived in cold weather, on hard earth where nothing grew, and you had no choice but to kill living things for your sustenance.

Then you discover all these places where the sun shines year round, all types of delicious shyt grows out of the ground, and all these happy go lucky ass people everywhere.

True, That is why Russia wanted to go deeper into the Mediterranean regions.
 

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This is right up my alley. but I don't really have a disagreement. All I can say is that war is expensive and a lot of people die so I assumed that Hitler would be somewhat reasonable, until he wasn't.
 

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One other tidbit. The Germany tried to form an alliance with Mexico but the British intercepted the telegram and that's what initially got the U.S. involved in WWI.

Germany promised that if they sided with them, and won, Mexico would get Texas, New Mexico and Arizona back.

That would be fukkery unbound. Imagine if the British never intercepted that telegram? :mindblown:
 

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Germany didn't start WW1, it started because the Austrian duke and his wife were assassinated by a Serbian nationalist.

The Austrian empire declared war on Serbia over the assassination. Russia, France, and Britain jumped in to defend Serbia so Germany jumped in the defend Austria-Hungary.

It was actually wrong to hold Germany solely responsible for that war. The resentment from it might have fostered the environment neccessary for Hitler to take over.

I somewhat sympathize with Germany but, never with the Nazis. They were evil and deserved to get destroyed in WWII but, in WWI, Germany had a legit reason for wanting to go to war. You can't murder the crown prince in the street then run to Russia for help when its time to answer for it. That would be like the someone assassinating the heir to the British Royal Family today or one of the French kings (when they had them). Neither of those countries would have taken that level of disrespect. They could have avoided all the bloodshed in WWI and the seeds that led to WWII if Russia simply told Serbia they were on their own and that they should have never shot a prince.
 

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The part that Austria would take an entire nation to war because one of their citizens killed the Archduke.

They couldn’t talk that out?

All the nations of the world couldn’t talk that out?

They killed the future King and Queen of Austria. There was no "talking it out" :skip:
 

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I somewhat sympathize with Germany but, never with the Nazis. They were evil and deserved to get destroyed in WWII but, in WWI, Germany had a legit reason for wanting to go to war.
Germany was ultimately defending their ally after their duke was murdered and everyone was willing to defend Serbia for the assassination. It was a monumental fukk up putting the burden of the entire war on Germany and I feel like everyone knew it. That's probably why everyone turned a blind eye when Germany and Hitler started violating everything in that treaty and united the territories that use to be the Austrian Hungary empire under his cause.

The allied nations were partially at fault creating the environment that lead to the rise of Hitler's National socialist party, and were also at fault for ignoring the threat until it was at their doorsteps.
 

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They killed the future King and Queen of Austria. There was no "talking it out" :skip:

Who is they?

If an American citizen went to Mexico right now and killed the sitting President, would Mexico take the entire United States to war?

You either a cracker or a nikka that think like a cracker.

Either way, move around.
 
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