Would you prefer community justice in Africa over dealing with these cac police in America?

[BmoreGorilla]

That's exactly what i'm arguing for thanks for understanding my point.

When i said in the Freddie Gray thread those white police officers should never have been in the hood i was accused of promoting segregation.

@SteelCitySoldier @BmoreGorilla

I accused you of promoting segregation? All I said was these black cops out here are just as bad or worse than the white ones. I know from firsthand experience. However I do wish that we would be able to police ourselves. Too often you have people trying to police an area that they are unfamiliar with culturally and come in looking at black people as enemies

 

[kp404]

What? How the fukk is saying a law system designed around mob violence is barbaric and a uncivilized practice in the 21st century considered racist? This is not a biological trait that some how instinctively belongs to one particular race. That reasoning made absolutely no sense. Are you trolling?


You're misinterpreting my point which shouldn't be happening because I made everything very clear. I said nothing pertaining to blacks shouldn't/couldn't police themselves, at all. So I would appreciate it very much if you would stop twisting my words. Secondly, me disagreeing with mob violence doesn't equal me saying anything about today policing system. See, what you're doing is reading my post and than projecting stuff from your own imagination onto it, baiting me to argue shyt I never claimed, I.E trolling.

Well when someone posts a question like the OP and you state that it is barbaric and uncivilized without actually discussing your point, your laziness promotes the idea that your comment is racist. Because the OP is advocating for policing ourselves, which is all the OP says, its 2 things: you believe Africans and their traditional structure of policing themselves to be uncivilized and barbaric or you did not understand the OP. Which is it?

 

[AJaRuleStan]

Well when someone posts a question like the OP and you state that it is barbaric and uncivilized without actually discussing your point, your laziness promotes the idea that your comment is racist.

I thought it was pretty clear that my response was to the practices in the video. But even if you didn't get that point, to some how misinterpret my post as a critique on the people, on a racial level, and not the "practice" is really a reach, and speaks volumes about how you look for a racial angle when there isn't one.

Speaking negatively about a certain behavior or practice has nothing to do with attacking the race of the individual or group that committed it because bad behavior is independent of race. I really shouldn't have to explain such an elementary concept.

Because the OP is advocating for policing ourselves, which is all the OP says, its 2 things: you believe Africans and their traditional structure of policing themselves to be uncivilized and barbaric or you did not understand the OP. Which is it?

I'm not sure how you seriously think that line of logic you are using is valid? But are you implying that if I disagree or against "mob violence" as a form of policing than I am automatically against Blacks policing their own communities, and pro police corruption that occurs today? Because I don't think you realize that being against "mob violence" has no relation with the ladder. They literally don't follow in anyway possible.

Also can you please stop baiting me to argue the quality of African tribal society. I know you would love to shift the argument to that, and have me argue the opposing side, but that's not my intentions and never was. What I said in my earlier post was that the properties that made certain aspects of tribal culture effective is drastically different from a modern 21st society like USA, so borrowing practices from a tribal system, and trying to apply it, and expecting it to function the exact same way is absolutely idiotic, and I'm not talking specifically about "African" tribes. I mean any tribal system from any past group in history. Idk why you keep implying tribal culture is some exclusive thing that blacks only practiced, but I guess in your mind you can't view blacks with having a more advance form of society than one created at the dawn of man.

We don't need to get the pitchfork and torches and go kill the town witch because of he say, she say, and we shouldn't. No, I'll take the the current system of investigation, collecting evidence, than argue it out in court than a uncivilized, preemptive, barbaric, witch hunting like behavior. I don't see why if blacks were to govern themselves we would all of sudden stop using the most sound system we are aware of and revert back to what humans were doing centuries ago. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

That's exactly what i'm arguing for thanks for understanding my point.

When i said in the Freddie Gray thread those white police officers should never have been in the hood i was accused of promoting segregation.

@SteelCitySoldier @BmoreGorilla

I did say this was just like segregation and would be counterproductive even if it did happen because there aren't enough police to make this happen and also that it's not just CAC police it's the ENTIRE police force. My stance has always been that this isn't about race but about them muthafukin police. I once was in an interrogation room, handcuffed to a wall and being peppered with questions about some shyt that I had did but the only thing that would get me popped was if I confessed. Fat CAC cop and and a skinny nikka cop were the one asking questions...guess which one lost his cool and started choking me because I wasn't stupid enough to snitch on myself...yup the nikka. CAC came and helped get dude off me and then when they threw me in the cell I'm spitting out blood and shyt while the cop who wa watching the cell looks at me and says "damn what happened" with the . shyt ain't about no race it's about that badge.

You really think it ain't no white muthafukas gettin they ass beat by the police? ONly reason we ain't seeing and hearing about it is because these cacs don't seem to give a shyt, just like I said before they will rally for other shyt but when it comes to violence against them they just chalk it up like and go to fight for animal rights or some shyt.

 

[AJaRuleStan]

I'm deleting this post and I'm quoting it so others can see you for what you are; this is a warning, breh.

Someone who doesn't condone mob violence as a form of law in the 21st century? Okay, that's fine with me...

 

[Truth200]

You really think it ain't no white muthafukas gettin they ass beat by the police? ONly reason we ain't seeing and hearing about it is because these cacs don't seem to give a shyt, just like I said before they will rally for other shyt but when it comes to violence against them they just chalk it up like and go to fight for animal rights or some shyt.

Why you think cacs don't protest when it happens to them?

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

Why you think cacs don't protest when it happens to them?

Look how hard they protest for Animal Rights, GLAAD, drunk driving and so much other shyt but when it comes to things like this they don't seem to care. Seriously when is the last time you seen a 1000 cacs protesting because some nikka robbed and killed a cac?

It's like they just sit back like "I'm not getting involved with that".



Look at that shyt, had this happened to a Black couple there would have been all types of protests and shyt...what did the White people do? f it wasn't for the internet I wouldn't have known anything about it.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

Look at this shyt here

http://killedbypolice.net/ this is a rundown of civilians being killed by police and broke down by year and even further with gender race etc. there are just as many Whites on there as Blacks (I started counting but when I got to 50 I quit), and my guess would be that there are some of them that could be considered questionable but have we seen any protests, and outrage? I'm just saying that they don't seem to care and live by an guilty before innocent mentality instead of what it should be innocent before guilty.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

Same situation as Bmore:

The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation is now investigating the death of a man in custody in Mount Vernon.

Police reports show David Dehmann died after a Knox County Deputy had to use a take down hold on him April 21 after they say he was becoming too aggressive.

His father spoke with 10TV Tuesday night.

"My son, my only son…it's hard," David Dehmann said. "Now, I don't know what happened to him other than he got his head hit going down in the take down. I'm not happy over it a bit, man. It's rocked my world."

Dehmann knows his son was not perfect.

33-year-old David Levi Dehmann was no stranger to the law.

"He might have had his issues in the past and everything," Dehmann's step-mother, Melissa, said. "But, he didn't deserve to die because of this."

Last Tuesday, April 21, David was picked up by Mt. Vernon Police for being intoxicated. He was taken to the hospital for evaluation. Then, a few hours later he was released. But then, several hours later, a phone call.

"We got a phone call at 4:00 a.m. from his mom just stating that he was in Grant Medical Center with head trauma and we need to get there," Melissa Dehmann said.

According to police reports, Dehmann was arrested at 7:43 p.m. at a local elementary school for persistent disorderly conduct. He had been drinking. Once in the car, the officer says Dehmann became verbally abusive, hit the Plexiglas cage and spit on the passenger door window. Then, at the Knox County Jail, a deputy says Dehmann became aggressive with the jail staff and attempted to hit the deputy in the face, causing that deputy to place Dehmann in a take-down hold.

Dehmann had hit his head on the floor during the incident. He was eventually taken to Grant Medical Center, where he died two days later.

"I'd like to know, I want to know what happened when my boy's head hit that concrete," David Dehmann said. "I want to know what happened."

The family says the 33-year-old had multiple conditions, including Asperger's Syndrome, Tourette's Syndrome and autism and that local law enforcement have been made aware to him and his condition in the past.

Dehmann leaves behind a five-year-old daughter. The family says the child's mother also died less than a year ago.

Calls to the Mt. Vernon Police Department and the Knox County Sheriff's Office were not returned for comment. Jill Del Greco with the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation told 10TV's Bryant Somerville that the matter is an ongoing investigation. She says there is surveillance video of the incident but it cannot be released to media because it is part of the investigation.

The results of Dehmann's autopsy are expected within eight weeks.

David Dehmann has established a donation site for his son to help with medical bills.


Now you tell me why this happened less than two weeks ago and you don't have hundreds of cac's protesting to find out why this happened to him. Like I said they take a wait and see approach while we take a "we want answers now and we will get them".

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

But equality and fair chances don't exist in this system; so what type of police force do you suggest? Do we transform the system through revolution and create a new just police force with new foundation, or do we stay in said system and try to reform the police system, which is like trying to paint over a big crack in a house's foundation?

I argue that Blacks police our own communities through armed self-help collective defense. We have done it in the past and it works. We should do it again. Police in America do absolutely nothing to keep the majority of people safe; they serve and protect: serve the ruling class by protecting private property.

Even before European colonialism, African peoples had law adjudicated by chiefs, imams, council of elders, priests etc. I'm not sure why mob justice is your go-to alternative to flawed American justice. I'd also argue that self-policing isn't mob-justice on a street. It doesn't have to be. If it were, I'd say most black people in America would cling to old norms of justice, even if it was racialized to make them susceptible to unequal justice.

As to large questions about how to make American law more equitable, I'm not an expert on that. I recommend asking author/scholar/activist Michelle Alexander.

 

[Big Mel]

Africa, y'all.

 

[Truth200]

Look at this shyt here

http://killedbypolice.net/ this is a rundown of civilians being killed by police and broke down by year and even further with gender race etc. there are just as many Whites on there as Blacks (I started counting but when I got to 50 I quit), and my guess would be that there are some of them that could be considered questionable but have we seen any protests, and outrage? I'm just saying that they don't seem to care and live by an guilty before innocent mentality instead of what it should be innocent before guilty.

Because cacs realize this police system we have is because of capitalism.

 

[KOohbt]

I couldn't agree with you more, very well said.

This is why i create controversial topics with catchy thread titles because they intrigue people which creates the best dialog.

Breh, you don't have to do that this so the root where people will automatically have productive dialog

 

[KOohbt]

But we should def police our own community. It's insanity how much we rely on the very people who are taking advantage of us to provide us with everything. Its scary to be born into this. We gotta be self sufficient and ASAP.

 

[newarkhiphop]

Thread is a super trap I spoke to a Ghanaian breh one time about this 'tribal " justice and he said incidents like the one in the video are rare and once again the OP is one of these people who talk about" Africa " like it's a small city

@ a tribal justice system is what we have here in America NOW