Would the regular refs have scored that a touchdown?

[thelonious21]

bad call

even if i was a seahawks fan

 

[YBE]

tate never really had full possession

That shyt is clearly an interception

Goddell on that bullshyt

 

[woochild]

yes, because it came down a tie. Gruden was b*tching and influencin' people, the ref who was on set with Gruden and Tice on the postgame show said he would have called it a touchdown if two refs were disagreeing, as you go with the first call. The DB put his hands on it first, but as he was bringing it to his body, the WR put his hands on the ball, and they both came down with it at the same time. If it was basketball, it is a clear jump ball call. However, it's football, not basketball, in football, jump ball goes to the receiver. Gruden can pop himself if he wants, but the refs were put in a tough situation, that's a 50/50 call, but I think the refs erred on the right side.

realest most unbiased shyt in this thread...oh...and the Cormartie INT not INT TD video...niccas acting like these regular refs haven't made the exact same call. it was a 50/50 call and not nearly as cut and dry as people want to believe or as the pundits have been advocating. jennings didn't catch it clean, both got their hands on the ball in mid air, both had their hands on the ball through the ground which is when POSSESSION is established, which is something no one seems to be talking about. if that ball popped out when they hit the ground, it would have been incomplete so possession wasn't established until they were securely on the ground with the ball, where BOTH had their hands on the ball, and as shytty as some of you think it is, ties have ALWAYS gone to the WR.


this is being blown out of proportion because it can. if it was the regular refs out there, wouldn't have been this big a controversy over the call. it would have been accepted and people would move on, under threat of fine for talking shyt, and some pundits would find themselves on grunt duty via the NFL laying the smack down under their "our refs are infallible" policy. keep it funky brethren.

 

[SEC Hater]

Do you forget all the bad calls by the regular refs every game also? The game moves too fast for any ref in all honesty. It's amazing how we all forgot the janky calls from the other refs.

This is why they have SLOW MO REPLAY. This was the last play of the game, the outcome of the play decided the winner, and even with slow mo replay the refs still couldnt get it right.

 

[wtfyomom]

Am I wrong for not thinking its the worst call ever? I mean and I would get on the refs more than anybody and they have sucked overall but I dont know that this is THAT bad of a call. Just cause its unusual doesnt make it bad.

 

[wtfyomom]

realest most unbiased shyt in this thread...oh...and the Cormartie INT not INT TD video...niccas acting like these regular refs haven't made the exact same call. it was a 50/50 call and not nearly as cut and dry as people want to believe or as the pundits have been advocating. jennings didn't catch it clean, both got their hands on the ball in mid air, both had their hands on the ball through the ground which is when POSSESSION is established, which is something no one seems to be talking about. if that ball popped out when they hit the ground, it would have been incomplete so possession wasn't established until they were securely on the ground with the ball, where BOTH had their hands on the ball, and as shytty as some of you think it is, ties have ALWAYS gone to the WR.


this is being blown out of proportion because it can. if it was the regular refs out there, wouldn't have been this big a controversy over the call. it would have been accepted and people would move on, under threat of fine for talking shyt, and some pundits would find themselves on grunt duty via the NFL laying the smack down under their "our refs are infallible" policy. keep it funky brethren.

def being overblown because it was the replacement refs. i mean dont get me wrong im loving it cause i hate goodell but still...

 

[nalej]

realest most unbiased shyt in this thread...oh...and the Cormartie INT not INT TD video...niccas acting like these regular refs haven't made the exact same call. it was a 50/50 call and not nearly as cut and dry as people want to believe or as the pundits have been advocating. jennings didn't catch it clean, both got their hands on the ball in mid air, both had their hands on the ball through the ground which is when POSSESSION is established, which is something no one seems to be talking about. if that ball popped out when they hit the ground, it would have been incomplete so possession wasn't established until they were securely on the ground with the ball, where BOTH had their hands on the ball, and as shytty as some of you think it is, ties have ALWAYS gone to the WR.


this is being blown out of proportion because it can. if it was the regular refs out there, wouldn't have been this big a controversy over the call. it would have been accepted and people would move on, under threat of fine for talking shyt, and some pundits would find themselves on grunt duty via the NFL laying the smack down under their "our refs are infallible" policy. keep it funky brethren.

thanks for the breakdown

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

Jennings had 2 hands on the ball and Tate had one hand on it and the other on Jennings arm. For it to be considered a dual catch they both have to have both hands on the ball at the time of the reception since that didnt happen then its not a "jump ball" situation add on to it the Tates blatant offensive interference and you have one of the worst calls of all time. I dont know if I can count it as worse than the Jerry Rice fumble in the playoffs though as a Packer fan that sh!t still burns to this day.

 

[SafeForWork]

bad call

even if i was a seahawks fan

 

[Birdman]

Why am I the only one who cant get past the the thread title?
How can a ref score a TD?

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Am I wrong for not thinking its the worst call ever? I mean and I would get on the refs more than anybody and they have sucked overall but I dont know that this is THAT bad of a call. Just cause its unusual doesnt make it bad.

The Bert Emanuel non-catch from the 99 NFC Championship game is worse than this call.

 

[andre patton]

It's obvious that you didn't watch the Lions/Titans game this weekend. Swatting the ball is the WORST thing you can do in that position.

Deion is always yelling "GO FOR THE INT" on NFL NEtwork on Hail Mary's. Don't leave it to swatting the ball to someone. CAtch that shyt and make it yours. He made the right decision.

so one example makes it the rule. its a fact most coaches at all levels teach "swat the ball down" instead of "go for the int" for a reason

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herm edwards backing this line of thought up.

"in jennings pos., you maximise your power on the outcome, and that's attempting to catch the ball - the negative variables of swatting the ball away outweigh the negative variables of attempting to catch the ball. any live ball in that situation does no favors for the defense." - gil scott heroin.

there that better for you,.... jennings was in the definitive POSITION to catch the ball... and he did.

how in the hell was him going for the interception the flat out wrong decision? that makes ZERO sense...... fukk is you saying nikka. the majority of the time these decisions work in the defenders favor. jennings was in a position to catch the ball and he did so... that is no where near the flat out wrong decision on his part.


attempting to catch the ball with TWO hands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deflecting a oblong-shaped object that can have a different trajectory pattern from the intended direction of the deflection. on a surface level, you attempt to spike a spinning, moving oblong shaped object with a closed fist/open hand, it ain't always gonna go the direction and speed you intended it to go.. this is all just basic physics.. and this isn't even weighing into the equation that there are x-amount of opposition players in the area too,.. if you catch the ball, you leave less environmental factors to have a say, compared to swatting the ball (all in jennings position)... as i said, if you have definitive position on making a play you maximise the power you have on the situation, you leave little as possible outside factors to come into the equation....

they both have negs/poss', but catching it in a postion where you're able to defintively put two hands on the ball is ALWAYS the lesser of two evils.

again...even if he was "definitively able to put 2 hands on the ball" he was not definitively able to put 2 hands on the ball and assume possession of the ball...because at the end of the day tie goes to the WR...and at the end of the day the WR has better hands than you do.


my main argument is the exact same reasons you're stating he should've put all his eggs in catching the ball is the exact same reasons i say he should've put all his eggs in swatting it down. too many players around to catch it if you fukk up. difference of opinion.

but i feel knocking a ball down is easier to do than catching it.






i still think im right tho :smugfarve: and i still think most coaches feel the same way,

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

again...even if he was "definitively able to put 2 hands on the ball" he was not definitively able to put 2 hands on the ball and assume possession of the ball...because at the end of the day tie goes to the WR...and at the end of the day the WR has better hands than you do.


my main argument is the exact same reasons you're stating he should've put all his eggs in catching the ball is the exact same reasons i say he should've put all his eggs in swatting it down. too many players around to catch it if you fukk up. difference of opinion.

but i feel knocking a ball down is easier to do than catching it.

i still think im right tho :smugfarve: and i still think most coaches feel the same way,

he was in the best position on the field and he definitively held onto the ball with two hands, yes the ties do go to the receiver but that doesn't negate the fact that jennings had clear possession of the ball (with two hands to his chest) as well,

your argument holds different reasoning to mine, because you ain't using any logic, nor holding the added outside factors as accountable to a HM situation, too many players around to catch it if you fukk it up, you say- exactly the same for swatting the ball as well. there's about 3-4 videos in the other thread that are evidence of this. it doesn't matter if you think it's EASIER to knock the ball down, what matters is the safest possible action, and in jennings situation = if you're in the best possible postion to make the catch on the field, like he was, you make the catch.

 

[DeVanteSwing]

Yea these refs gotta go. How can a nikka on a message board post a gif that clearly shows this nikka barely even touching the ball, yet these refs with all the replay equipment in the world couldn't clearly see this. The nikka was just grabbing his arm

i wouldn't wanna piss off seattle fans

 

[rocksteady]

yes, the regular NFL refs would've scored that a TD, and that's what they did!

Phil Luckett had a hand in Monday night’s debacle
Posted by Mike Florio on September 25, 2012, 6:32 PM EDT
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In nearly 11 years of this website’s existence, no game has created a stronger reaction than Monday night’s debacle in Seattle.

Coincidentally, the only other game that created similar buzz also involved the Seahawks. It was Super Bowl XL, which left the Seahawks feeling chagrined by a string of questionable calls, prompting among other things the creation of officiating jerseys that weren’t black and white, but black and yellow.

But that game didn’t entail an error that directly and clearly determined the outcome. Few NFL games turn on such a bright-line moment. And one of the men involved in last night’s game had a direct hand (literally and figuratively) in a game-changing decision that involved, well, a piece of change.

Phil Luckett, the man who bungled the overtime coin toss in a Thanksgiving 1998 game between the Steelers and Lions, was the league supervisor in the replay booth for the game between the Packers and the Seahawks, according to Peter King of SI.com. The Seahawks likewise know that name, because Luckett was the referee on the crew that incorrectly gave Jets quarterback Vinny Testaverde a game-winning touchdown against the Seahawks, not long after the Steelers-Lions morass.

As we explained several weeks ago, the NFL is using a league supervisor for every regular-season game officiated by replacements. It’s a procedure that the league normally uses during the postseason.

The league supervisor now sits in the replay booth. Which means that Luckett was change-purse deep in the decision to not overturn the ruling on the field of a touchdown.

As NBC officiating consultant Jim Daopoulos explained, both during Pro Football Talk on NBC Sports Network and PFT Live on the web, the league supervisor and the replay official — neither of whom are replacements — are directly involved in the replay decisions. It’s a procedure that doesn’t apply under normal circumstances, with the regular officials on the field and the regular referee going under the hood.

Thus, for three of the most notorious game-deciding errors in recent NFL history, Luckett was involved. That was bad luck for the Steelers in 1998, bad luck for the Seahawks later that year, but good luck for the Seahawks on Monday night.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/phil-luckett-had-a-hand-in-monday-nights-debacle/