Would Christopher Daniels have a "better" career if he was the Higher Power?

[julesocean]

Daniels is the actual constant and principal.
who created the Indy heroes who saved wrasslin.

I said it earlier in this thread.

Yet people in here are showing they are marks.
While not knowing and don't even know.
how the current product they indulge in and came to be.



Art Barr

For sure, he was a pioneer. I mean he was still highly acclaimed in his prime by a lot, but imagine a prime Daniels with the Fallen Angel gimmick in today's landscape. He would be a top draw instead of the "aged veteran who you can depend on".

But in the landscape of WWF at that time, he would have stuck out like a sore thumb. He would have only had a chance once the E was into the Hardy/Punk era imo.

 

[OmegaK2099]

Then vince turned face again like a month later, yeah i don't think vince was always the choice to be the HP

 

[Art Barr]

For sure, he was a pioneer. I mean he was still highly acclaimed in his prime by a lot, but imagine a prime Daniels with the Fallen Angel gimmick in today's landscape. He would be a top draw instead of the "aged veteran who you can depend on".

But in the landscape of WWF at that time, he would have stuck out like a sore thumb. He would have only had a chance once the E was into the Hardy/Punk era imo.

No,...

At that time

If the higher power was an actual astute worker.
who was a heel who could go on Daniels best in the Industry level not on a major roster talent. He would have gotten over and also been a breath of fresh air. Plus given WWE legs in the arena of ghouls with a breath of fresh air. When at that time. It had been seen scsa and taker were dismal as a me pairing. Plus, scsa needed a foil in which that foil could work at the top of the industry via workrate and the entire package like Daniels is/was.

People sayng different were not around then and just after that.
Daniels, elevated styles to the level that the Indies saved wrasslin.
If Daniels was plucked then.

It could have created the injection in quality the wwf needed.
That luckily wce was so inept. That wcw never understood quality and how it played into.
the long term draw of the promotion outside of the wwf/wwe based stigma.


Art Barr

Hp reveal = equals the worst angle in actual wrasslin history.
given the boom and what it should have been.
It singlehandidly trumps and gives quality marks. To how awful the black scorpion was. Plus how inept vkm is. That he was unaware that the same reveal killed the main event draw of sting as a first time champion as well. Luckily, wcw was so inept. They never capitalized. When in reality. WWE was lucky it was a bigger idiot in the business. to take the brunt of what their mistakes. Where they were so inept. they were incapable of consistently drawing or creating an actual quality product.


Art Barr

 

[julesocean]

No,...

At that time

If the higher power was an actual astute worker.
who was a heel who could go on Daniels best in the Industry level not on a major roster talent. He would have gotten over and also been a breath of fresh air. Plus given WWE legs in the arena of ghouls with a breath of fresh air. When at that time. It had been seen scsa and taker were dismal as a me pairing. Plus, scsa needed a foil in which that foil could work at the top of the industry via workrate and the entire package like Daniels is/was.

People sayng different were not around then and just after that.
Daniels, elevated styles to the level that the Indies saved wrasslin.
If Daniels was plucked then.

It could have created the injection in quality the wwf needed.
That luckily wce was so inept. That wcw never understood quality and how it played into.
the long term draw of the promotion outside of the wwf/wwe based stigma.


Art Barr

Hp reveal = equals the worst angle in actual wrasslin history.
given the boom and what it should have been.
It singlehandidly trumps and gives quality marks. To how awful the black scorpion was. Plus how inept vkm is. That he was unaware that the same reveal killed the main event draw of sting as a first time champion as well. Luckily, wcw was so inept. They never capitalized. When in reality. WWE was lucky it was a bigger idiot in the business. to take the brunt of what their mistakes. Where they were so inept. they were incapable of consistently drawing or creating an actual quality product.


Art Barr

Workrate has nothing to do with it, half the guys in the main event weren't the greatest... WWE created the culture of biggish guys. Even Austin who was 6'2 had decent muscles. Daniels was 6'0 and SUPER SKINNY. Not his fault, just his genes. In the main event scene, he would have looked very out of place. The reason why I cited the rise of Hardy and Punk as an era where he would be able to shine, is because WWE let smaller guys get to the top more, so he wouldn't seem out of place at all.

In 99 NO ONE was checking for high flying workrate guys like they began to in the 2000s, trust me I was a fan back then. If they had used him, he would have done that stupid Great Power angle, then he would have probably been sent to the mid-card after the feud was done and eventually released. Not for not being good, but just not being the size WWE wanted, and that WWE has accustomed it's fans to seeing.

 

[Art Barr]

Workrate has nothing to do with it, half the guys in the main event weren't the greatest... WWE created the culture of biggish guys. Even Austin who was 6'2 had decent muscles. Daniels was 6'0 and SUPER SKINNY. Not his fault, just his genes. In the main event scene, he would have looked very out of place. The reason why I cited the rise of Hardy and Punk as an era where he would be able to shine, is because WWE let smaller guys get to the top more, so he wouldn't seem out of place at all.

In 99 NO ONE was checking for high flying workrate guys like they began to in the 2000s, trust me I was a fan back then. If they had used him, he would have done that stupid Great Power angle, then he would have probably been sent to the mid-card after the feud was done and eventually released. Not for not being good, but just not being the size WWE wanted, and that WWE has accustomed it's fans to seeing.

Stop.

Hbk easily exposes your timeline as false. As hbk was whom Austin took the title off of.

Just that alone disproves what you are saying.
When the higher power dropped. The WWE already had ghouls and goblins and spooky gimmickry.

Art Barr

 

[julesocean]

Stop.

Hbk easily exposes your timeline as false. As hbk was whom Austin took the title off of.

Just that alone disproves what you are saying.
When the higher power dropped. The WWE already had ghouls and goblins and spooky gimmickry.

Art Barr

Michaels was ONE guy. And Shawn Michaels is not Christopher Daniels. Keep up the revisionist history though breh, WWF made the right call for once. Stupid angle all around though.

I bet you think Bret Hart and Daniels had comparable body type too because they were the same height right?

 

[Art Barr]

Michaels was ONE guy. And Shawn Michaels is not Christopher Daniels. Keep up the revisionist history though breh, WWF made the right call for once. Stupid angle all around though.

I bet you think Bret Hart and Daniels had comparable body type too because they were the same height right?

It would not matter.

The WWE should have ran the angle.
it would have been better than what we got easy.

Regardless of the fact you fail to recognize
Big is better did not exist at that time at all.
Plus was phased out.
You mention Bret but Bret was always undersized and originally in the rocknwrasslin era was the top convincing and most vicious inring heel as well.

WWE can work any style. They jus tao choose to be inept and rely on rocky III semantics surrounding thunderlips. Yet and still past the stark big is better imagery. WWE had moved well and away from the big is better situation.
Not to mention, you forgot. Who did Bret lose the title to and then who did the relaunch of big is better fail with to put this in proper perspective. That you are quoting a misnomer on big is better being the WWE mantra at that exact time. When it was not.

WWE was in the attitude era solidly.
that was built on actually providing an alternative.
to the rocknwrasslin big is better era of characterization.

Art Barr

 

[julesocean]

That you are quoting a misnomer on big is better being the WWE mantra at that exact time. When it was not.

On the subject of The Corporate Ministry, Prichard said that rumors claiming that 'The Million Dollar Man' Ted DiBiase and Jake 'The Snake' Roberts were originally meant to be The Higher Power are false. Rather, Christopher Daniels was Vince Russo's pick to be The Higher Power; however, McMahon nixed those plans because he thought Daniels was too small for the role.

"The original idea was 'The Fallen Angel' Christopher Daniels. And then Vince saw him and said, 'absolutely not'. [McMahon did not like Daniels'] size. [He] just didn't see it." Prichard continued, "Chris was working out in California and Chris was working indies and different things an I was a big fan of Chris Daniels too at the time. I liked the 'Fallen Angel' gimmick and I want to say we had Chris under a developmental deal for a little while. [He] just didn't see it. He just looked at him and he didn't see it. He was dead from the get-go."

Looks to me like Vince had a mantra, and he stuck to it by nixing Daniels.

 

[Art Barr]

Looks to me like Vince had a mantra, and he stuck to it by nixing Daniels.

We know that.
Wrestling shadows had Daniels and the issues of bigger is better.
Yet vkm was lucky he was dealing with wce who was more inept.
So they never capitalized.


Simple as that.
If wcw was not more inept than wwf. Wwf would have had a really hard time after the hp reveal.

It just so happened wcw was just more inept.



Art Barr

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

People would be shytting on this as they do WCW Heavyweight Champion David Arquette.

 

[OmegaK2099]

 

[julesocean]

We know that.
Wrestling shadows had Daniels and the issues of bigger is better.
Yet vkm was lucky he was dealing with wce who was more inept.
So they never capitalized.


Simple as that.
If wcw was not more inept than wwf. Wwf would have had a really hard time after the hp reveal.

It just so happened wcw was just more inept.



Art Barr

Why did you just spend a whole page arguing me only to say "We know that" when I proved you wrong? You on one today breh. Good discussion though I guess?

 

[WMG the 2nd]

Workrate has nothing to do with it, half the guys in the main event weren't the greatest... WWE created the culture of biggish guys. Even Austin who was 6'2 had decent muscles. Daniels was 6'0 and SUPER SKINNY. Not his fault, just his genes. In the main event scene, he would have looked very out of place. The reason why I cited the rise of Hardy and Punk as an era where he would be able to shine, is because WWE let smaller guys get to the top more, so he wouldn't seem out of place at all.

In 99 NO ONE was checking for high flying workrate guys like they began to in the 2000s, trust me I was a fan back then. If they had used him, he would have done that stupid Great Power angle, then he would have probably been sent to the mid-card after the feud was done and eventually released. Not for not being good, but just not being the size WWE wanted, and that WWE has accustomed it's fans to seeing.

Daniels ain’t even 6 feet wih lifts
Dude a legit 5’9 and he always been built like a yoga teacher Vince was never giving him a shot

 

[Art Barr]

Daniels ain’t even 6 feet wih lifts
Dude a legit 5’9 and he always been built like a yoga teacher Vince was never giving him a shot

Yeah, but Daniels is why he even has quality talent at this current point right now.

As a matter of fact, Vince putting it off.
Just basically made it inevitable later.

Vince in inept. Daniels was hands down the best fukk'n talent in the industry as a worker and sports entertainment character.
Plus and to the point the shyt bad but good chocolate covered sports entertainment sports soap opera angle

that propelled aj to the socslled sports entertianment mainstream. Not to mention the world press.
Daniels, orchestrated and the actual vignettes and promos shyt on the WWE to this day. When compared to similar and like term booked angles and performances found in the attitude/ruthless/rapnwrasslin/women revolution era currently now.

All the match elements are Daniels based and lead psychology at the core as a draw.

So at the end of the day.

Vince hurt himself and could have had the talent who worked up all the talent he currently has now.


As all the talent he has now is based off of Daniels match templates, inring psychology, and of course THE ACTUAL fukk'N FINISHES.


Vince is inept and just basically has a whole company.
built completely off of Daniels at this current moment.

If he would have assimilated Daniels then. Vkm would have had a true monopoly and would have had the talent that rebolstered the future and possibly created the heel that never turned off the boom as well.

At the end of the day.

The world is Daniels as far as talent, finishes, gimmicks, psychology in wrasslin moving forward.
Daniels basically took over the game via a grassroots movement based on high quality characters and matches in a sports entertainment meets grapplin based medium.



All of wrasslin = daniels


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Why did you just spend a whole page arguing me only to say "We know that" when I proved you wrong? You on one today breh. Good discussion though I guess?

Simply because you only see the cup half full.

Plus, don't know all this shyt at all.
as it pertains to wrasslin as whole and not just the WWE.

You also fail to realize.
like I stated and anyone should know here, as a mark.
or those who claim to be a so called smart regardless.

Daniels is all of what pro wrasslin is at this point moving forward.


As all of pro wrasslin,...
right now to be anything.
had to go through Daniels from psychology, workrate, moveset innovation, and of course the modification of the finish.
Plus the whole classic rating system outside of Meltzer to the rest of the world is based on Daniels psychology and match finishes period.

You just do not know wrasslin in full.
To the point you keep running your mouth. about old moot points you should know the answer to in full.

Yet here you don't because i had to fully explain it to you indepthly and also re-iterate what you do not know. Not only to you, but the general non-knowing you as well.
Plus you should know I am not generally attacking you for not knowing the source material.

You should know by now.

if I have to interject at any point.

That you do not know the source material in full.
When you should.
Plus for the general you out there. To even participate in further actual discussions.
I put the source material there in a gateway form no matter the length.
to show the actual rule of the material in general concept you should know. This is not hip hop and there is no culture. Yet smarts have to know the history of the business. Plus cite the critical business changing historical points of the business indepthly. You are not a smart and are continually asking over and over for source material.
you should have or also be prescient to.

Yet you just showed you are not a smart
. As any smart knows whom and what Daniels is and what part Daniels plays in wrassin moving forward. Plus how DANIELS is the actual Indy hero who saved wrasslin, PERIOD.


DANIELS = INDY HERO WHO ACTUALLY SAVED WRASSLIN

I mean this thread shows who is smart and who is not.

As this thread should be filled with exactly whom Daniels is at the core of wrasslin.
at this very point and for the past seventeen years. All is from Daniels.
Plus what the WWE missed out on by being inept and stubborn. In recreating bullshyt thunderlips imagery over and over again. While ripping off rocky III imagery.
Yet not realizing a much larger Oscar winning property featured small five whatever size guys. Which created the very fukk'n boom for vkm to even have the wwf, Hogan as a draw and mania to begin with.
That is what you and vkm missed.
As both of you happen to be inept.
Simply because you missed that key point as to why and how wwf became a draw in the first place. Which was from rocky
. Which was about small or short guys.
Not to mention the second boom period. Was sparked and created by mike Tyson. Another SHORT GUY!!


If there is no Daniels.

There is no quality wrasslin moving forward as an actual future thing past 2001.

Wrasslin would be dead if not for Daniels period.


Art Barr