"World Is In Trouble Anytime Axeman Come" Walters vs Lomachenko hbo 11/26 Fight Thread
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I remember an announcer during a rugby game stating the same. One of the rugby player got KO'd after passing the ball because of a late hit, the announcer then explained that he got logically relaxed after that pass and by not tensing up he wasn't ready for the tackle that came way after the ball left his hands and he got KO'd.can you tell me which punch you saw him hurt someone moving backwards. to answer your question what hurts guys more than anything in boxing is shock. what most causes shock is not seeing the punch. what most causes not seeing the punch is turning or running into it. this is why counter punches are responsible for most of the knockdowns and knockouts you will see in boxing. which is to say, a guy will throw a punch, turn and run into a counter punch, not see it, and get shocked.
i have my own theory about this. i think that when many guys throw a punch their eyes will lock onto what they are trying to hit. so for example, their eyes will lock onto the head before they throw a punch to the head. chris byrd was a good example of that.
byrd used to have a trait where he would lock his eyes onto a guys head before throwing a string of punches living up to his nickname of rapid fire. so when he locked his eyes before starting up one of his rapid fire string of punches, he had a tendency to not see that a guy was also throwing a punch at the same time as him, causing a lot of shock if he got hit at that moment.
that was how he was knocked out by ike ibeabuchi.
look at byrds eyes again here. his eyes are locked onto the head to punch and he cant see the uppercut ibeabuchi is throwing. i believe this is what happens to many boxers.
when people are taught how to juggle they are taught to fix their eyes somewhere directly above the objects they are juggling and to see each object they are juggling with their peripheral vision instead of looking at each individual object directly. i think the same principle is probably true in boxing. when you lock your eyes onto the head before you throw a punch to the head, you will momentarily lose sight of the whole picture, putting you in a very vulnerable position while you punch.
my own theory is guys who are said to have good chins in boxing are actually in possession of a heightened awareness which allows them to be less shocked by punches than guys who lack this special awareness that they possess. they have a special ability to sense the punches and prevent shock which also means guys who are less sharp and less aware will be more prone to shock as a result of having or not having this ability.
some other factors for power include placement of the punch. you will see punches to places like the forehead cause less knockdowns and knockouts than punches to the jaw. some punches will be grazing and not flush. one of the biggest reasons for a punch not having power is it will not have any follow through. follow through is when a punch goes all the way through what it is hitting. so on that condition, this is good follow through.
you can see the punch continue all the way through the head here. but in boxing you will see guys throwing many times punches with poor or even no follow through at all.
by all conditions, this is a good right hand and possesses all of the mechanics a good right hand ought to have. but even the best thrown right hand must still be able to land with good placement, flush not grazing, and with a lot of shock. which is to say, power is nothing if it cant be set up properly.
Seems like the same mechanism at play. I don't know if it's relative to bracing one self for impact but it looks similar as a process. Altough, I can't find any study about tensing up allowing shock absorption to be more efficient. I know muscles are shock absorbers and tendons help diffuse shocks that the muscle can't take so maybe tensing the whole body increase that synergy by forewarning the body of the incoming impact.
I always thought that Mayorga's showboating where he willingly takes a punch was just a trick (and a little bit of skill too). Him pointing to his chin for the opponent to strike made them fixate on it (by pride or just being fooled) and drastically reduced the probability of targets to one (his chin). But when that happens, he's prepared both mentally and physically because he's almost certain to get hit there. The real skill here IMO is the timing and being able to fully tense himself up at the right time. I'm pretty sure if the opponent were to unexpectedly hit him to the body he would have been way more hurt by that than by the clean hits he took to the jaw.
It's the perfect example here, he takes a clean 1-2 and is pushed backwards by the force. Then comes the trick, he tells the opponent to strike him in the jaw but now he's leaning forward, his weight is on his front foot, his legs are ready with the back one being on his toes, he's bracing his arms and contracting his body : so when he takes the clean punches, all his body absorbes it like a spring.
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Have you ever Loma or Walters fight before?
No never any of their full fights. I decided to get into watching about a month ago so all I've seen is highlights of them two.
jesus christ..i hope walters lays a heavy beating on lomachenko smh
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true, cause loma not that bigger than walters draw wise. should have been 55-45 in favor of loma imo.
@Newzz what u think bro.
Last time they were going to fight, it was supposed to be $700k Loma & $300k Walters...but Walters turned it down. I guess now, since he doesn't have a belt, he accepted it
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Bob Arum celebrating his 2,000th boxing promotion
For more than 50 years Bob Arum has promoted some of the greatest fighters in boxing history.
They include: Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, George Foreman, Sugar Ray Leonard among many other champions and notables.
But if not for a fight of his own early in his promoting career none of it would have been possible.
“Promoting Ali as my first fighter helped me tremendously because it was a such a fight,” Arum said. “It was a fight with the draft situation. It was a fight with the public. It was a fight with the American Legion. It was fight with everybody that was, in my mind, persecuting Ali.”
As a 34-year-old Harvard-educated lawyer with little-to-no boxing experience in 1966, Arum didn’t slowly move into the waters of promotion. Arum’s first promotion was Muhammad Ali against George Chuvalo in Toronto.
“I think it was the schooling I got in that first Ali fight in Toronto and all of the politics and the stuff I had to go through to get that fight on, that really made me the promoter and the person that I am today,” Arum said.
Later that year, because of Ali’s refusal to enter the draft for the Vietnam War, he was stripped of his boxing license in every state as well as his U.S. passport. Arum fought alongside Ali through everything, and emerged as battle-tested outside the ring as his legendary fighter was inside it.
“Ali was easy to work with, it was the situation that was horrible,” Arum said. “If this were another fighter it wouldn’t have been possible. Ali was smart and he was understanding.”
Now years later, the Top Rank Boxing founder and CEO will celebrate his 2,000th promoted event, as Vasyl Lomachenko will defend his World Boxing Organization junior lightweight title against Nicholas Walters Saturday night at The Chelsea inside the Cosmopolitan.
“When people remind me of the number I remember so many of the great fights that I promoted, from Vegas to South Africa, and there’s a lot of great memories,” Arum said.
Of the 1,999 promotions Arum has overseen, these five stood out to him as his favorites.
1. Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Frazier III, Oct. 1, 1975, Philippine Coliseum, Quezon City, Philippines.
The “Thrilla in Manila” is one of the most recognizable fights in history. The fight had everything a young promoter could want: a unique location and notables fighters who had a history against each other. This was the third meeting between Ali and Frazier, the rubber match after Frazier won the first match and Ali the second.
It was fought at 10 a.m. local time in what was estimated to be nearly 120-degree temperatures. The two battled for 14 rounds after which Ali retained all three of his championship belts with a unanimous decision victory.
“It was like death in the ring the way those guys fought,” Arum said.
2. Marvin Hagler vs. Thomas Hearns, April 15, 1985, Caesars Palace
The three-round battle between two of the sport’s most exciting boxers of all time distinctly sticks out in Arum’s memories. Arum coined the nickname, “The War” which perfectly suits one of the most violent fights of all time.
The first round is regarded by many as the greatest in boxing history, as Hagler and Hearns traded massive punches, one of which broke Hearn’s right hand and another opened a cut on Hagler’s forehead. After three furious rounds Hagler dropped Hearns with a vicious right. Hearns stumbled to his feet after a count of nine but was unable to continue.
3. John Tate vs. Gerrie Coetzee, Oct. 20, 1979, Loftus Versfeld Stadium, Pretoria, South Africa
In 1979, the American John Tate fought Gerrie Coetzee inside a rugby stadium filled with 80,000 South Africans in Goetzee’s home country. The fight took place at the height of the South African apartheid, and was for the heavyweight belt vacated by Muhammad Ali.
The fight started slow and certainly won’t be remembered for its great action inside the ring. Tate out-boxed Coetzee and picked up a unanimous decision. Arum remembers it more for the atmosphere of a packed rugby stadium, and history remembers it for Tate ruining the plans of an apartheid government desperate for a homegrown champ.
4. Aaron Pryor vs. Alexis Arguello, Nov. 12, 1982, Orange Bowl Stadium, Miami, Florida
Like many of Arum’s favorite fights, this one also took place in an outdoor venue — a massive, open-air, coliseum-like atmosphere.
The fight was action-packed from the opening bell to the final minute, as the two traded heavy blows in an evenly matched bout. Pryor held the slight edge heading into the fourteenth round, when he trapped Arguello against the ropes. He battered the Nicaraguan’s body before landing a left-right combination that left him stunned. Referee Stanley Christodoulou jumped in to stop the fight just as Arguello’s body slumped to the canvas, giving Pryor the TKO victory.
5. Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao, May 2, 2015, MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas
Perhaps the crowning achievement of Arum’s promotional career, the fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao will be known far more for its promotion than the actual fight itself. Mayweather was promoted by Arum early in his career before creating his own promotion, and Pacquiao has been with Arum for nearly his entire career.
After years of talk the two finally faced off last summer, and the fight was lackluster to say the least. But regardless of the lack of action, the fight broke nearly every record imaginable. The most lucrative fight in boxing’s history generated an estimated $400 million in revenue — $74 million of which came from the gate alone. It sold approximately 4.6 million pay per view, which were sold at an increased price of $99 each. Mayweather, who won by unanimous decision earned $120 million, while Pacquiao walked away with $80 million.
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he only put Floyd/pac on the list cause it made the most profit
......bobfather love his money... as he should
For more than 50 years Bob Arum has promoted some of the greatest fighters in boxing history.
They include: Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, George Foreman, Sugar Ray Leonard among many other champions and notables.
But if not for a fight of his own early in his promoting career none of it would have been possible.
“Promoting Ali as my first fighter helped me tremendously because it was a such a fight,” Arum said. “It was a fight with the draft situation. It was a fight with the public. It was a fight with the American Legion. It was fight with everybody that was, in my mind, persecuting Ali.”
As a 34-year-old Harvard-educated lawyer with little-to-no boxing experience in 1966, Arum didn’t slowly move into the waters of promotion. Arum’s first promotion was Muhammad Ali against George Chuvalo in Toronto.
“I think it was the schooling I got in that first Ali fight in Toronto and all of the politics and the stuff I had to go through to get that fight on, that really made me the promoter and the person that I am today,” Arum said.
Later that year, because of Ali’s refusal to enter the draft for the Vietnam War, he was stripped of his boxing license in every state as well as his U.S. passport. Arum fought alongside Ali through everything, and emerged as battle-tested outside the ring as his legendary fighter was inside it.
“Ali was easy to work with, it was the situation that was horrible,” Arum said. “If this were another fighter it wouldn’t have been possible. Ali was smart and he was understanding.”
Now years later, the Top Rank Boxing founder and CEO will celebrate his 2,000th promoted event, as Vasyl Lomachenko will defend his World Boxing Organization junior lightweight title against Nicholas Walters Saturday night at The Chelsea inside the Cosmopolitan.
“When people remind me of the number I remember so many of the great fights that I promoted, from Vegas to South Africa, and there’s a lot of great memories,” Arum said.
Of the 1,999 promotions Arum has overseen, these five stood out to him as his favorites.
1. Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Frazier III, Oct. 1, 1975, Philippine Coliseum, Quezon City, Philippines.
The “Thrilla in Manila” is one of the most recognizable fights in history. The fight had everything a young promoter could want: a unique location and notables fighters who had a history against each other. This was the third meeting between Ali and Frazier, the rubber match after Frazier won the first match and Ali the second.
It was fought at 10 a.m. local time in what was estimated to be nearly 120-degree temperatures. The two battled for 14 rounds after which Ali retained all three of his championship belts with a unanimous decision victory.
“It was like death in the ring the way those guys fought,” Arum said.
2. Marvin Hagler vs. Thomas Hearns, April 15, 1985, Caesars Palace
The three-round battle between two of the sport’s most exciting boxers of all time distinctly sticks out in Arum’s memories. Arum coined the nickname, “The War” which perfectly suits one of the most violent fights of all time.
The first round is regarded by many as the greatest in boxing history, as Hagler and Hearns traded massive punches, one of which broke Hearn’s right hand and another opened a cut on Hagler’s forehead. After three furious rounds Hagler dropped Hearns with a vicious right. Hearns stumbled to his feet after a count of nine but was unable to continue.
3. John Tate vs. Gerrie Coetzee, Oct. 20, 1979, Loftus Versfeld Stadium, Pretoria, South Africa
In 1979, the American John Tate fought Gerrie Coetzee inside a rugby stadium filled with 80,000 South Africans in Goetzee’s home country. The fight took place at the height of the South African apartheid, and was for the heavyweight belt vacated by Muhammad Ali.
The fight started slow and certainly won’t be remembered for its great action inside the ring. Tate out-boxed Coetzee and picked up a unanimous decision. Arum remembers it more for the atmosphere of a packed rugby stadium, and history remembers it for Tate ruining the plans of an apartheid government desperate for a homegrown champ.
4. Aaron Pryor vs. Alexis Arguello, Nov. 12, 1982, Orange Bowl Stadium, Miami, Florida
Like many of Arum’s favorite fights, this one also took place in an outdoor venue — a massive, open-air, coliseum-like atmosphere.
The fight was action-packed from the opening bell to the final minute, as the two traded heavy blows in an evenly matched bout. Pryor held the slight edge heading into the fourteenth round, when he trapped Arguello against the ropes. He battered the Nicaraguan’s body before landing a left-right combination that left him stunned. Referee Stanley Christodoulou jumped in to stop the fight just as Arguello’s body slumped to the canvas, giving Pryor the TKO victory.
5. Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao, May 2, 2015, MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas
Perhaps the crowning achievement of Arum’s promotional career, the fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao will be known far more for its promotion than the actual fight itself. Mayweather was promoted by Arum early in his career before creating his own promotion, and Pacquiao has been with Arum for nearly his entire career.
After years of talk the two finally faced off last summer, and the fight was lackluster to say the least. But regardless of the lack of action, the fight broke nearly every record imaginable. The most lucrative fight in boxing’s history generated an estimated $400 million in revenue — $74 million of which came from the gate alone. It sold approximately 4.6 million pay per view, which were sold at an increased price of $99 each. Mayweather, who won by unanimous decision earned $120 million, while Pacquiao walked away with $80 million.
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he only put Floyd/pac on the list cause it made the most profit
......bobfather love his money... as he should
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Gettin bamboozled even harder because of it now.Last time they were going to fight, it was supposed to be $700k Loma & $300k Walters...but Walters turned it down. I guess now, since he doesn't have a belt, he accepted it
He was getting 550 the first time and Loma said he would put up 300 of his 800k purse he was getting for the winner to take
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To be fair guys who don't know what Walters share of the profits are. My assumption is hes making a lot of money off the back end and from the gate, maybe even Jamaican TV.
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129 and a half pounds for walters but he looks drained and tired....probably spent most of the camp loosing weight.