Womanhood

[Elle Driver]

Since this is the Ladies section, I just got to thinking on independence eve lol as women what's yall ideal of womanhood? Is it tied to fertility, motherhood? With the whole trans gender movement lately, where you don't even necessarily have to have a vagina to even be considered a woman, does that make you comfortable? I don't know. For me, womanhood isnt tied to fertility because not all women are able to have kids. Certainly not me. Also, that life isn't even necessarily what all women want. I definitely want to embark upon motherhood but I feel like womanhood is tied to having womanly attributes, understanding that have a vagina and being able to give birth is a gift and in a sense black woman is god. So not only are we women, but we have the added attribute of being black women as well. In a way, we have to be our own protectors especially since our men have been taken away from us. My brother was taken away from me for 15 years and he recently got married, has a child on the way. I also got married too and he gave me away, he's like the second father figure to me. Missing out on those formative years because he became a victim of the prison system is something we can all relate to. Anyway, seeing the whole idea of transforming into another sex got me thinking if gender is a construct, then what exactly makes a woman? Are our battles for womanism even the same? I mean, someone changes from a man to a woman can they really understand our struggle? The idea that changing from a man to woman is brave is very confusing to me to be honest. It kind of suggests that you're brave enough to come into a struggle and absorb yourself in it in my opinion.

 

[Ashley Banks]

great thread.

I believe that since there is no one way to "be" a woman (as in actions, lifestyle, goals etc) that womanhood is simply being a woman by birth or by choice. I don't have a problem with trans women because them "turning into women" doesn't take away from me being a woman and most (if not all) straight men prefer cis women over trans women. I think our battles for womanism are similar, like we all want equal rights, equal pay etc but I know that trans women have a different battle because they want the world to accept that they are women even though they were born physically male, which will more than likely never happen. However, I don't believe they will ever understand the struggle of being a cis female because it's something they want to be so they see it as some privilege and anyone that can freely be a woman is privileged.


Hopefully that makes sense. I've been drinking

 

[Milk N Cookies]

Idk lately seeing how these dudes here are about that fatherhood life it's making me want to take that major step in life... I'm thinking about getting married and adopting kids&'having a dog and what not... I need to get it together.

 

[Dwolf]

Since this is the Ladies section, I just got to thinking on independence eve lol as women what's yall ideal of womanhood? Is it tied to fertility, motherhood? With the whole trans gender movement lately, where you don't even necessarily have to have a vagina to even be considered a woman, does that make you comfortable? I don't know. For me, womanhood isnt tied to fertility because not all women are able to have kids. Certainly not me. Also, that life isn't even necessarily what all women want. I definitely want to embark upon motherhood but I feel like womanhood is tied to having womanly attributes, understanding that have a vagina and being able to give birth is a gift and in a sense black woman is god. So not only are we women, but we have the added attribute of being black women as well. In a way, we have to be our own protectors especially since our men have been taken away from us. My brother was taken away from me for 15 years and he recently got married, has a child on the way. I also got married too and he gave me away, he's like the second father figure to me. Missing out on those formative years because he became a victim of the prison system is something we can all relate to. Anyway, seeing the whole idea of transforming into another sex got me thinking if gender is a construct, then what exactly makes a woman? Are our battles for womanism even the same? I mean, someone changes from a man to a woman can they really understand our struggle? The idea that changing from a man to woman is brave is very confusing to me to be honest. It kind of suggests that you're brave enough to come into a struggle and absorb yourself in it in my opinion.

When did you get married?

 

[Elle Driver]

When did you get married?

What that gotta do with the topic?

great thread.

I believe that since there is no one way to "be" a woman (as in actions, lifestyle, goals etc) that womanhood is simply being a woman by birth or by choice. I don't have a problem with trans women because them "turning into women" doesn't take away from me being a woman and most (if not all) straight men prefer cis women over trans women. I think our battles for womanism are similar, like we all want equal rights, equal pay etc but I know that trans women have a different battle because they want the world to accept that they are women even though they were born physically male, which will more than likely never happen. However, I don't believe they will ever understand the struggle of being a cis female because it's something they want to be so they see it as some privilege and anyone that can freely be a woman is privileged.


Hopefully that makes sense. I've been drinking

But I guess the whole premise of becoming a woman means they don't understand our struggle. If they were born male, they went from privileged, to non privileged by choice right? So to me the struggle isn't the same. One could say women have been mistreated for a very long time for the simple fact that we do have different reproductive organs than men. One which a trans would lack.

 

[Dwolf]

What that gotta do with the topic?

Its what caught my attention. So gimme the details

 

[Elle Driver]

Its what caught my attention. So gimme the details

Nah.

 

[Dwolf]

Nah.

Thats no fun
I would say something to get this back on topic but I dont want to sound like an idiot on anything like that so sorry for derailing......

 

[Nino Brown]

Women is the gates that everyone enters this plane of existence through

"Joachin and Boaz"?

Nobody in the history of living has not come out them two pillars, even Jesos Christos


Well...... there's a few angels in mountains and jinn they'll try lie to you about

Sarah, Abraham's wife, figuratively, brought about fruit when she was 7000 plus years of age. It's all spiritual so even if you don't "choose" to have kids ladies, you the creators of this world, especially black women


Just please understand me when I send you dikk pics randomly in your Private of Messages

 

[sanityovar8ted]

I personally think womanhood is the ability to bear children even if the woman chooses not to or cant. Just because a woman cant bear children doesnt make her less of a woman. Once u start having a period u enter womanhood imo.

 

[wet landscapes]

For me, I compartmentalize the struggles of trans women and the struggles of women
The trans women's struggles are trying to be considered a woman, their family's and peer's acceptance, the rejection and pressure from society to be a man
a woman's struggles are different, we have different issues and a larger range of potential problems that vary across social groups, cultures and countries

 

[Rawtid]

if you weren't born with the female reproductive system, you're not a woman. If you can't get a period, you're not a woman. It's more to being a woman than a set of behaviors.

 

[agnosticlady]

Being a woman is a natural biological identity that a girl enters into. There are certain things that we go through as women that we can not explain. To me, being a lady is more important than being a woman. You can be a trashy woman but you can't be trashy and classy at the same time.. With that being said I do feel like you have to be a woman to be a lady.
As for trans gendered people no I do not believe that they can be a woman. Most of the time when trans gendered people try to be men or women they take on the stereotypical role of that sex. I remember reading an article about a man who regretted his sex change. He said he hated putting on makeup everyday, fixing his hair, and etc.That's the thing - doing those things is not what being a woman or lady is about. How can you want to change to a gender that you have never experienced life as? You are basically taking on the stereotypes of that person. I do feel like trans gendered people have a mental illness.

 

[Elle Driver]

For me, I compartmentalize the struggles of trans women and the struggles of women
The trans women's struggles are trying to be considered a woman, their family's and peer's acceptance, the rejection and pressure from society to be a man
a woman's struggles are different, we have different issues and a larger range of potential problems that vary across social groups, cultures and countries

But do you think you can just enter into womanhood without even having the parts that even make a woman? It's like co opting whatever you think is womanhood and I have a problem with that. The fact that people call it "brave" says enough. You're literally choosing to forgo your male privilege to enter into the struggle of becoming a female, but they'll never understand.

 

[agnosticlady]

But do you think you can just enter into womanhood without even having the parts that even make a woman? It's like co opting whatever you think is womanhood and I have a problem with that. The fact that people call it "brave" says enough. You're literally choosing to forgo your male privilege to enter into the struggle of becoming a female, but they'll never understand.

No you can not just enter into womanhood. There are certain biological natural process that a woman just goes through. Women and men are not the same. As for male privilege? What male privilege? Race plays a large role in the privilege a man gets/ I guess if it's a white man becoming a white woman he is being brave.