Wilt Chamberlain and Jordan had an argument about who was the goat at the 50 greatest(no kobe stans)

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:stopitslime: Goal post moving ass most teams didnt even have a 7 footer I think he would have been fine.
How am I moving the goal post when my argument never changed and I literally never said shyt about teams having or needing a 7foot center to be physical.
Stop trying to use words and phrases you heard other people use but don't understand.

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I think it's time some of you:flabbynsick: nostalgibrehs stop gassing up hand checking without giving proper acknowledgement to these bullshyt types of clear out situations :ufdup:

You gonna tell me Kobe, Bron, Durant, Harden can put 4 guys above the FT line and they can't do shyt but these guys would have a harder time scoring :pachaha:
 

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How am I moving the goal post when my argument never changed and I literally never said shyt about teams having or needing a 7foot center to be physical.
Stop trying to use words and phrases you heard other people use but don't understand.

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:mjlol: Instead of arguing you just keep trying to insult my intelligence so im just gonna let you cook. When people start calling you dumb instead of offering a counterargument its no need to continue.
 

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I'm done dealing in dumb hypotheticals, like where Wilt is somehow out of the top 10 in the 80's.

Coaches getting better, medical science getting better, etc is all beneficial to the players too that played in the past too.
That's cool but Wilt wouldn't be the player he was had Shaq been in his league.
 
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He's not even top-5 in the now (Jordan, Cap, LeBron, Shaq and Hakeem are all ranked ahead of him), he would only be perceived as less of a player if he played 20-25 years later.

#s would've dropped significantly because of pace/style of play, larger talent pool - greater athletes to compete against, better defensive schemes, higher league-BBIQ etc etc. Added with the fact his inabilty to raise his game in the playoffs would've been under more scrutiny, if he played in the 80s/90s (therefore there woud've been a higher % of him being ranked below players who upped their games in the PS). Plus he didn't understand the concept of 'team before player' until late in his career. In saying all that, it's hard to judge players under a different set of conditions.

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:mjlol: Instead of arguing you just keep trying to insult my intelligence so im just gonna let you cook. When people start calling you dumb instead of offering a counterargument its no need to continue.
You didn't present an argument to counter, you presented a logical fallacy called a strawman.
 

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I can imagine Wilt being about to smack the shyt out of Jordan. It sounded like dude basically hated Kareem's guts his entire career for taking the title away from him, I can't imagine how he would feel about Jordan if he had more time to stew about it.
 

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GOAT REQUIREMENTS

1st: Requirement: Has to score over 70+ in a game with actual video proof

2nd requirement: Has to win a ring

3rd requirement: Has to have a Finals MVP

Hmmm, has anyone ever done all 3?

Do you know how many times Wilt scored 70 points in a game? :usure:
 

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The year before Russell entered the league, a 6'8" 210lb White center lead the league in scoring and rebounds, averaging 22 and 13 and led the NBA with 46% shooting. That's right, shooting 46% as a center even with no one playing defense still led the league in FG%.

However, the Finals MVP that year would have been Paul Arazin, a 6'4" 200lb forward with sinus problems that made him wheeze when he played and a jump shot that looked like a convulsion, but was considered the best in the NBA. He averaged 28 and 8 on 43% shooting in the Finals.

The year before Wilt Chamberlain joined the Philadelphia Warriors, their starting center was 6’7”, 220lbs. He was named an All-Star that year, averaging 15 and 12 while shooting 36% from the field. Their backup center was a 6’8”, 210lbs White guy who shot 33% from the field. Until that season that White guy had made the all-star game six straight years, including four straight years of being the 1st-team All-NBA selection at center, 3-time NBA scoring leader, 3-time NBA FG% leader, . He was inducted into the Hall of Fame with a career FG% of 44%.

I just can't take stats and dominance from that era seriously. You're telling me that back in the day and age when the talent pool was tiny as hell, the game was still in its infancy and you could count the number of tall Black men in the league on your fingers, that just by magic, the two greatest ballers to ever play the game just happened to be there? Or did they just happen to look that good? You see a 6'6" kid absolutely dominating in some league of private Christian homeschoolers, you don't assume that he's the GOAT just because he puts up 40 and 20 and they win every game.


Hell, when Russell/Wilt were coming into the league, if you were a Black man over 6'9", there was a 50-50 chance you'd end up in the Hall of Fame.
 
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