Will the United States survive a constitutional crisis?

[2Quik4UHoes]

Sure. It's just that it makes it very difficult to actually do those things when half the populace will vote against them on GP, just because they perceive it as benefiting another group more than theirs.

That goes back to competition model which when out of control makes the country cannibalize itself. To think in terms of group A benefits at the expense of group B is what will keep America stagnated.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I agree with you theoretically but I understand reality of things: human nature will never allow that to happen unless faced with a massive catastrophe—-think that’s why @mastermind brought up global warming.

until this catastrophe happens, we’ll be competing for resources

I disagree. I think the idea that something cataclysmic has to happen is self fulfilling prophecy. The only thing that should motivate us is the prospect of an even easier and more efficiently lived life. Moreover, how is it that we can fashion our world to our liking and understand ourselves to such a deep extent but when it comes to actually doing the right thing we chalk our failures up to “human nature”

Human nature’s first impulse is survival. If survival means doing away with the competitive model for a cooperative one then it needs to happen immediately. Humankind didn’t advance to where it is today by being this inept at adaptability.

 

[mastermind]

I agree with you theoretically but I understand reality of things: human nature will never allow that to happen unless faced with a massive catastrophe—-think that’s why @mastermind brought up global warming.

until this catastrophe happens, we’ll be competing for resources

But that competing for resources is whats leading to Global Warming.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

But that competing for resources is whats leading to Global Warming.

It’s like you tell someone don’t smoke crack it’s not good for you, said person smokes crack and enjoys the high, you can tell em how detrimental it is but the high that comes from the competition in capitalism is incredibly addictive if you think about it. If not an extreme form of self gratification.

While making it out of extreme poverty should be celebrated. Depending on how deeply you celebrate, you might miss the whole question of why extreme poverty even exists. Why do we adhere to a system that’s designed to deprive and make us participate in this deprivation of vulnerable people.

 

[gho3st]

But that competing for resources is whats leading to Global Warming.

It’s like you tell someone don’t smoke crack it’s not good for you, said person smokes crack and enjoys the high, you can tell em how detrimental it is but the high that comes from the competition in capitalism is incredibly addictive if you think about it. If not an extreme form of self gratification.

While making it out of extreme poverty should be celebrated. Depending on how deeply you celebrate, you might miss the whole question of why extreme poverty even exists. Why do we adhere to a system that’s designed to deprive and make us participate in this deprivation of vulnerable people.

i agree with both of you and its an idealistic way of looking at things. but you're not factoring people and their inherent nature.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

i agree with both of you and its an idealistic way of looking at things. but you're not factoring people and their inherent nature.

Again, we’re using practicality as a shield against necessary change. At this point it isn’t idealistic at all it’s the only way we’ll survive as a species. But understood, these ideas are very deeply rooted so it’s hard to see things differently. We’ve been indoctrinated from day one of our lives to believe this is the only way until all hell breaks loose.

We can’t claim to be living in a civilized world if it is impotent when the time comes to make adjustments for long term survival. Human beings are just a case of dumb luck if that’s the case. Then again, maybe we’re going the way of the Dodo because like the old bird, we’ve created too comfortable a world for ourselves and have lost our incentive to survive beyond the next lifetime.

 

[OfTheCross]

We've reached a point now where a presidential candidate can't even lose an election without people rioting. Political tribalism is rotting this country out from the inside. I think it's pretty clear that we're never going back to a more civil level of politics. I think it's also clear that the republican party will likely be the source of such an event as they purge their party of people who even display a remote level of sense or decency.

This thing came down to a handful of people deciding not to test the fabric of the country in the last election. As that party rids themselves of people who would make such decisions we're likely going to have that crisis inside the next two presidential cycles. All it would take as a Trump like politician that's a bit more calculating and less egotistical to turn this whole thing on it's head.

For so long the republican party has bred a level of voter primed for someone like Trump to manipulate. Now that has come to pass and the party itself is afraid to stand up to the mob it's created. They all fall over themselves to serve the now out of control monster they helped make. They can't even give these people facts anymore. All they accept is what they want to hear.

What's the constitutional crisis, though? Seems more like a political one

 

[Payday23]

The fact that the doj didn't immediately arrest everyone involved and charge them tells you it's a wrap here. Trump should be facing multiple indictments but he's walking around like Lucky Luciano

 

[mastermind]

i agree with both of you and its an idealistic way of looking at things. but you're not factoring people and their inherent nature.

Nothing I’m saying is idealistic. This is a clear and present danger to humanity.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

The fact that the doj didn't immediately arrest everyone involved and charge them tells you it's a wrap here. Trump should be facing multiple indictments but he's walking around like Lucky Luciano

Yeah this country is fukked on so many levels. Trump doing what he did just shows he will never be touched.

 

[gho3st]

Nothing I’m saying is idealistic. This is a clear and present danger to humanity.

i only say idealistic because the way the world works do not allow it to happen. Either that or you're ignoring what history has shown us. throughtout history, only catastrophe has forced humans to band together and do the right thing.

i understand the part about global warming but it has not started to hurt people on a wide scale yet. probably won't for at least 3-4 decades.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

What's the constitutional crisis, though? Seems more like a political one

 

[ogc163]

So what are your thoughts on Repubs actively working to install MAGA fascist types who say the 20 election was stolen as Secretaries of State and other state election official positions for starters?

I think these type of Republicans won't move the needle and their impact won't scale. And the status quo will generally stay in place. I am confident that in 2025 US politics will look and feel pretty much the same.

I'm curious, for those who think a big facist shift is on the horizon, what's your timeline regarding the inflection point?

 

[EndDomination]

We'll be aight, Americans in general are too fat and lazy for things to get violent.

People will update their expectations and that should hold off any violent revolt or complete undermining of the constitution. The professional class merit based narratives ain't going nowhere in my lifetime, people will likely become more comfortable not meeting the benchmarks embedded in those narratives, and you'll likely see people focusing more on themselves.

That means the continuation of folks having less or no kids, people becoming more comfortable not sending their kids to college, acknowledging they will have to work into their 80s, folks purchasing smaller homes, and becoming more comfortable with not owning anything.

Thus, there will be a shift in behavior but I don't foresee a constitutional crisis or even facism in my lifetime.

I don't think this is true at all considering the state-sanctioned and white nationalist violence that has stained this country since its inception through the present.

 

[ogc163]

I don't think this is true at all considering the state-sanctioned and white nationalist violence that has stained this country since its inception through the present.

The history of white violence isn't really relevant to the bolded statement that's etched in the fact that most modsen white Americans and Americans in general are fat and lazy, as is shown by their weight, physical habits, and general apathy.