Will History Soften Up on Dubya

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"History will vindicate my memory"
- James Buchanan, 1868

and that's EXACTLY with whom history will rank him with

cuz regardless of the spinning they're trying to do NOW, people 20 - 50 years from now will look back on Iraq like .

 

[ThatTruth777]

I knew it would happen but for it to happen this soon is disgusting.

 

[feelosofer]

Like it or not I do think history is already softening up on Bush. Maybe it's due to the divisiveness of Obama's Presidency, or the fact that the Republican party has moved so far to the right and become little more than an obstructionist force. It may also again be due to the idea that dikk Cheney has been seen as an almost shadow president somewhat absolving Bush.

 

[Type Username Here]

Like it or not I do think history is already softening up on Bush. Maybe it's due to the divisiveness of Obama's Presidency, or the fact that the Republican party has moved so far to the right and become little more than an obstructionist force. It may also again be due to the idea that dikk Cheney has been seen as an almost shadow president somewhat absolving Bush.

Or maybe it's the fact that people are realizing, despite all the fukked up shyt he has done, he did one GREAT thing, and he deserves some credit for it.

He pushed an initiative on his own will, that has gone on to save 1.1 million lives in Africa, and might save up to 15-20 million lives. It has lowered the death rate by 10% in some countries and has increased the median life span by significant margin in those countries.

Think about that. Saving 15-20 million lives. That's nothing to scoff at.

 

[the cac mamba]

Bush was gangsta as fukk. If you agreed or not, he did what the fukk he wanted. Top 5 president ever

 

[feelosofer]

Or maybe it's the fact that people are realizing, despite all the fukked up shyt he has done, he did one GREAT thing, and he deserves some credit for it.

He pushed an initiative on his own will, that has gone on to save 1.1 million lives in Africa, and might save up to 15-20 million lives. It has lowered the death rate by 10% in some countries and has increased the median life span by significant margin in those countries.

Think about that. Saving 15-20 million lives. That's nothing to scoff at.

What about the millions of Iraqis blown up or displaced from bombings and war. What about the deep debt we inherited from the war. What about a decorated soldier who was forced to lie to the American public about WMD's. What about the stagnation in growth and wages during his Presidency. What about the destruction of the education system with No Child Left Behind.

 

[Type Username Here]

What about the millions of Iraqis blown up or displaced from bombings and war. What about the deep debt we inherited from the war. What about a decorated soldier who was forced to lie to the American public about WMD's. What about the stagnation in growth and wages during his Presidency. What about the destruction of the education system with No Child Left Behind.

bytch, you didn't read my previous post in this thread? Have you not read any of my threads or posts regarding Bush?

He's a War Criminal, and was way over his head on a lot of matters. I served in that bullshyt war and lost friends for no reason. I hate the man. If I had the power, I'd charge him with war crimes and criminal neglience.

I'm saying we have to put emotions aside sometimes and recognize that he also did something that by all accounts is GREAT for the human race.

When you save do something to save 1.1 million lives, with the possibility of it saving 15-20 million, you deserve a little bit of fukking appreciation. How many people have you saved?

 

[ThatTruth777]

What about the millions of Iraqis blown up or displaced from bombings and war. What about the deep debt we inherited from the war. What about a decorated soldier who was forced to lie to the American public about WMD's. What about the stagnation in growth and wages during his Presidency. What about the destruction of the education system with No Child Left Behind.

They don't hear you though... selective amnesia is a mother****er almost as much as fake outrage.

 

[feelosofer]

bytch, you didn't read my previous post in this thread? Have you not read any of my threads or posts regarding Bush?

He's a War Criminal, and was way over his head on a lot of matters. I served in that bullshyt war and lost friends for no reason. I hate the man. If I had the power, I'd charge him with war crimes and criminal neglience.

I'm saying we have to put emotions aside sometimes and recognize that he also did something that by all accounts is GREAT for the human race.

When you save do something to save 1.1 million lives, with the possibility of it saving 15-20 million, you deserve a little bit of fukking appreciation. How many people have you saved?

Look, let's not resort to name calling, you are better than that, but no. doing one good thing does not absolve one of all the evil he or she has commited, it's a step in the right direction but in no way should history let Bush slide for his actions. I'll give him that but he has to do alot more in my book to even begin to repent for his actions as POTUS. He should be charged for war crimes, it's just unfortunate the powers will protect him from that sort of scrutiny.

 

[Tommy Fits]

History is already soften up on Bush for two reasons, to Bush's credit he is laying lower than low. Out of site out of mind. And the 2nd reason is racism toward Obama. You get enough racist people to hate on Obama simply because he's a black man with the most powerful position in the country, enough people will start to buy into the hate, enough people hate, the more forget what a piss pour job Bush did.

 

[feelosofer]

History is already soften up on Bush for two reasons, to Bush's credit he is laying lower than low. Out of site out of mind. And the 2nd reason is racism toward Obama. You get enough racist people to hate on Obama simply because he's a black man with the most powerful position in the country, enough people will start to buy into the hate, enough people hate, the more forget what a piss pour job Bush did.

Yes this also crossed my mind as well, but you said it flat out.

 

[Type Username Here]

Wow. SLOW DOWN.

A BIG reason why people are softening up on Bush is because liberals and democrats realized they couldn't criticize what Bush did unless they were criticizing what Obama is doing.

Obama kept A LOT of Bush's policies going, under his will and power, and expanded others.

Let's not talking about amnesia.

 

[Darts]

On second thought, things aren't softening yet:

Republicans still give him the "Lord Voldemort" treatment and like to pretend he doesn't exist (unless they're trying to grab credit for stuff like Bin Laden's death of course )

Polls show to this day that a majority of Americans still blame him for the economic problems and he is still toxic for Romney in this election.

And if Obama wins and completes his legacy...historians will focus on how Obama had to clean up the messes that his awful predecessor left before him...so Bush will get shytted on even more for that fact alone. Kinda like Hoover/Carter.

 

[88m3]

I dont think that the US Government owes its citizenry a fukking thing except a strong military, modern infrastructure, and support the constitution. That's it. No freebies of any kind for anyone, including illegal immigrants, no free college, no free housing, no free anything, no free this or that. NOTHING. Sink or swim.

 

[jadillac]

I dont think that the US Government owes its citizenry a fukking thing except a strong military, modern infrastructure, and support the constitution. That's it. No freebies of any kind for anyone, including illegal immigrants, no free college, no free housing, no free anything, no free this or that. NOTHING. Sink or swim.

There's alot of holes and BS in what you just said.

It sounds real tough, respectable, real right-wingish......but it makes little sense.

Everyone doesnt start off on the same playing field. A kid from the burbs, thru NO EFFORT OF HIS OWN, might be able to go to college b/c his parents pay for it....a kid from the hood might not be able to afford college no matter how bad he wants to go. And he might be smarter, work harder, more determined than the suburb kid who's had it easy. But under your logic, it's "Oh well, sucks to be you!!! "

There's ppl with free housing who have free housing b/c they're disabled...mentally, physically, etc. They weren't born with the same capabilties or had accidents that left them in their current state. What do you do with these ppl? Let em starve to death outside? Put them out on a boat like Castro did?

The US govt owes much more given what we've seen in the past. Now had the economy always been crappy and we had ppl losing jobs, home, cars by the thousands, then ur post might hold some weight. But the US govt owes it citizens the chance to lead the best lives that they so choose to work hard for....the way it used to be.