Why The Texas Longhorns Football Program is SO Bad(From a OU Fan Perspective)

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Generally, Texans hate Oklahoma football and Okies, so whatever is said comes off as disingenuous and condescending. However, I'm going to keep it really real and explain why the Texas Longhorn football program is in the condition that it's currently in. (Warning: Long Post)

1)The booster and player entitlement cultures: These dilemmas are already well know, but there hasn't been any real solutions being implemented. First, the booster issue can be fixed simply with this..... Money DOES NOT mean control. The boosters have too much say in everything that involves Texas athletics.... and THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE fukk THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT! Some real consideration needs to be given as to whether or not the big oil money is worth the headache because they are killing the program with every decision they make. No MONEY = NO SAY. In addition, the money needs to be taken away because it has become a hindrance to player performance. Charlie Strong was absolutely correct in his assessment that the players are SPOILED and a blue collar mentality needed to be implemented. Unfortunately, Strong couldn't overcome the damage done by Mack Brown. As for the player entitlement, there are to factors that contribute: The money that comes through these football programs AT EVERY LEVEL and the national exposure. The current football media landscape has made it impossible to temper exposure, but Texas association responsible for high school athletic has done a lot of harm by over-exposing their athletes, and they've been doing this long before the football media explosion, so you have 2 issues: Entitled players that are difficult to coach and/or never reach their potential AND the ones that actually reach their potential are being poached.

2)Your AD hires have been generally mediocre throughout the history of Longhorn Athletics. It's understood that AD's are responsible for more than football, but if football is your breadwinner, you better make damn sure the AD know his football shyt. OU has been spoiled with Joe Castiglione who is a great AD who not only knows his football, but made decisions with our men's and women's basketball programs, softball, gymnastics and golf programs, all of which have recent national championships(well, not in basketball. lol). This is what a good AD is supposed to do for a college athletics program. Having a good AD takes away the boosters' need for control for day to day program decisions. This is what Texas is severely lacking

3)Texas needs to get LSU, Alabama (basically the SEC) and Ohio State out of Texas. These schools are killing your talent pool, especially defensive. Texas is playing with the leftovers from their own state. UNfukkINGACCEPTIBLE!PERIOD. All of the aforementioned schools may pull one blue chip athlete per season from Oklahoma because they don't want to live in Oklahoma anymore, but most of Oklahoma's top recruits STAY IN OKLAHOMA, and as of recently, are coming to OU. I won't ignore the fact the OU does take some talent from Texas, but Oklahoma has historically recruited players from Texoma/North Texas and Texas was still competitive. Austin, Houston and surrounding areas were always Longhorn and Texas A&M strongholds and OU couldn't pull a single recruit until the Bob Stoops era. LSU always has elite DL's and DB's with depth because they supplement the Louisiana talent with the Texas talent. Ohio State......

Ohio State Signed Three of the Top-Six Players in Texas; Will the Buckeyes Add A Fourth?

Alabama..... 3-Star QB Prospect Vernon Jackson Commits to Alabama over LSU, Others

4)Coaching hires..... Have been lackluster, maybe Strong wasn't bad, but his assistants were. Here are the position groups where Texas needs better coaching:

1) OL; the absolute worse unit on the team
2)DB; use to be strong, but LSU changed that

I would have added QB but Texas(for now) has Cameron Rising and Casey Thompson, so if they sign, Texas' future is looking pretty bright at QB. One of them should be the starter if Buechele doesn't pan out(He's a serviceable QB, but his OL is so bad, he may not be successful).


UT posters... tag ya boys.... Tell me what you think.
 
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Texas football program fall off is not only do to Oklahoma, cali schools, ohio state and lsu schools coming in taking players...

It's because kids know if they are good they could go anywhere and still be seen on espn, abc, fox every week regardless..

Years ago u wouldn't see a baylor, a&m or any other below average football school on ABC or fox...now with the ability to see almost any game in any area of the country who need to go to a big school to be seen....

From a distant u can see that those old white Texas boosters and people involved in that program still haven't made it to this era.

This also applies to other top schools i.e. Nebraska with story past with old ass white millionaires boosters harping on the 90s and wanting to bring back a tom osborne wish bone offense
 

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But what about TCU which is in texas and has the second best big 12 record since they joined to your sooners?

Too me it comes down to me quarterbacking, since mccoy its been :scust:

garrett gilbert, case mccoy/david ash, swoopes, heard, buechele
 

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Texas football program fall off is not only do to Oklahoma, cali schools, ohio state and lsu schools coming in taking players...

It's because kids know if they are good they could go anywhere and still be seen on espn, abc, fox every week regardless..

Years ago u wouldn't see a baylor, a&m or any other below average football school on ABC or fox...now with the ability to see almost any game in any area of the country who need to go to a big school to be seen....

From a distant u can see that those old white Texas boosters and people involved in that program still haven't made it to this era.

This also applies to other top schools i.e. Nebraska with story past with old ass white millionaires boosters harping on the 90s and wanting to bring back a tom osborne wish bone offense

yup hallowed notre dame as well, hell carson wentz was friggin fcs and his games were on tv and he was the number 1 pick, but at the end of the day a great qb can change your fortunes ASAP

if texas had a baker mayfield, lamar jackson, josh rosen...........
 

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I still Think they should've given Charlie one more year but it's whatever.

:ehh: SJU actually suffers from the same exact problems as Texas. The problem with telling a former power that it needs to change is that their alumni is not trying to hear it. You can't tell a millionaire alumnus who went to that university that they're no longer elite. It's like saying their university is not elite, nobody wants to hear it even though it's true.

:manny: It may hurt in the short run but sometimes you may have to recruit like Iowa if you ever want to get back to being like Texas.
 
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But what about TCU which is in texas and has the second best big 12 record since they joined to your sooners?

Too me it comes down to me quarterbacking, since mccoy its been :scust:

garrett gilbert, case mccoy/david ash, swoopes, heard, buechele


It speaks volumes when Gary Patterson, to who I hold in high regard, is a better coach than anyone Texas has had, even Mack Brown, who only has a NC because Vince Young overcame Mack Brown and Greg Davis ineptitude.

I agree that Texas has had bad QB's, but it has been magnified by the EXTEMELY bad play of the OL. Bryan Harsin was a decent OC, but he couldn't overcome a shyt OL and QB's that he didn't recruit. He wisely got out of town before Mack was fired.

Trust me when I say that their OL is bad. Buechele may not be a Heisman calibre QB, but Texas should have a winning season.
 

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Texas is and has been an overrated program since forever. They just have big money and big mouths. From what I see and come to learn is that in order to be great as the university of Texas they're going to have to recruit out of state cause Texas high schools don't teach jack shyt to these kids.
 

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Charlie Strong needed to go. You can't go 16-21 in three seasons, lose to Kansas in football, not even compete against TCU, and think you can keep your job. This is in addition to the ineptitude on the field those entire three seasons.

Most Texas fans know the boosters have too much of a voice and that SEC coming into the state thanks to A&M is a major problem. But it is only recently that Texas fans are starting to dissect the problem that is Texas high school football and I've already shared my thoughts on that a couple weeks ago. If Texas keeps it's class for 2018, it will keep the vast majority of Texas top end talent in the state and to the program at levels not seen since maybe Mack Browns classes of the early 2000s. So that's a good start for Herman. But still, he has to go out of state for players in the trenches and that's likely not going to change next year either.
 

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Charlie Strong needed to go. You can't go 16-21 in three seasons, lose to Kansas in football, not even compete against TCU, and think you can keep your job. This is in addition to the ineptitude on the field those entire three seasons.

Most Texas fans know the boosters have too much of a voice and that SEC coming into the state thanks to A&M is a major problem. But it is only recently that Texas fans are starting to dissect the problem that is Texas high school football and I've already shared my thoughts on that a couple weeks ago.
:ld: You don't think Charlie deserved at least one last season with his team to figure it out?

By all accounts this Texas team was going to be loaded for a good run. Shouldn't he at least see his senior class out?
 

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:ld: You don't think Charlie deserved at least one last season with his team to figure it out?

By all accounts this Texas team was going to be loaded for a good run. Shouldn't he at least see his senior class out?
In my opinion, no. You had three years. You should have figured it out that year. Your teams weren't getting better, they were getting worse. If he went at least 8-5 last year, he is the head coach at Texas in 2017. But 6-7, 5-7, and then 5-7 with one of those losses being to Kansas, will not be accepted at any major program. You think Alabama would accept that record from a coach and in that third year, they lost to Vanderbilt while doing so? Alabama would run him and any coach out of town.
 

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It comes down to getting the right coach in cfb. look at how bad Bama was for awhile till they got Saban .

Every big school goes through droughts when they hire the wrong coach which sets you back years. All it takes is 2 or 3 bad coaches in a row to set you back a decade and then people question whether that school can ever be relevant again and the answer is yes with the right coach.

Herman the book is still out on way too early to judge. The one positive is that so far in the 18' class he's on a huge roll recruiting in Texas
 

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Herman will fix a lot of the issues you addressed. Several NFL scouts have gone on the record that he runs the most physical practices in the country. This program needs it but it needs it year after year after year. Just doing it for one offseason isn't enough. Combine that with better recruiting and a very good S&C program and we should be fine. But we need better results in the trenches. I'd like to hire a dline rainmaker for the 10th assistant spot.

AD/Booster issues will get fixed if we hire away TCU's AD Chris Del Conte. Word is he's the frontrunner to get the job. I think this issue is overrated, especially with a guy like Herman who understands the culture here, but CDL will bring some much needed structure and vision for UT athletics. The other programs (other than golf/swimming) are struggling right now.
 
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