Why the Republicans just don't get it (Minimum Wage)

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Is it a coincidence these companies "under paying" employees, offer goods and services at the lowest cost?:ld:

and is providing the lowest cost goods evil and/or greedy?:ld:
 

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If food is in the fridge, then eat it and take that $20 per week and invest it in a mutual fund or something. In this situation if the person was given a raise then they would take that extra $20 plus the extra and just blow it. How is that beneficial to them? If a person has poor financial decision making skills, it's really not going to matter how much they are paid.
 

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If food is in the fridge, then eat it and take that $20 per week and invest it in a mutual fund or something. In this situation if the person was given a raise then they would take that extra $20 plus the extra and just blow it. How is that beneficial to them? If a person has poor financial decision making skills, it's really not going to matter how much they are paid.
I was waiting for this response.

no time for enjoyment, is this really what it has come down to?
 

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which is complete and utter horse shyt
http://news.walmart.com/walmart-facts/corporate-financial-fact-sheet
they are profitable beyond measure...well not exactly beyond measure because they can and do measure it.

they really do run small margins.

for instance last quarter they made $116 billion, made a pre tax profit of 6 billion, and after taxes it's around 4 billion. it's like making something for 97 cents then selling it for a dollar.

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So for example let's say that the employees at McDonald's eat at McDonald's 3x a week average and on average McDonald's makes a clean $2 profit off each combo meal...that's $6 per worker per week.

hell when I worked at mcdonald (i was 15 and this was like 12 years ago now) they spotted a free $5 to spend on what you wanted depending on if you work a certain amount of hours per shift. it was less if you only worked like a 4 hour shift or something (it's changed since then). almost all restaurants offer a break on their employee meals so I really doubt they're making much of a profit on their employees, if at all.

and you're completely ignoring the franchise model of mcdonalds.
 
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*waits for people to miss the point and come in with the inevitable "Walmart isn't supposed to be a career blah blah blah they should stop being lazy and get an education blah blah blah" comments*


I'd add another reason, something you'd think Republican types would agree with, but they won't (because they're too busy demonizing the poor) - places like Walmart and McD's underpaying their employees actually adds to the tax burden of the country in general since a lot of people are forced to be on welfare/government aid at those wages. It's ironic that the same people who vehemently hate welfare usually don't support paying people enough so they won't have to be on it.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fast-food-chains-costing-taxpayers-173510741.html

The fast-food industry is one of the nation’s largest employers of low and minimum wage workers. According to one group, often the industry workers' pay is not enough and many turn to government programs for assistance.

According to the National Employment Law Project's (NELP) newest report, because the fast-food industry pays its workers less than a living wage, U.S. taxpayers must foot the bill in the form of the public assistance programs these workers must use to get by. McDonald’s alone, according to the group, cost taxpayers $1.2 billion last year. Based on NELP’s estimates, 24/7 Wall St. reviewed the annual costs of providing public assistance to low wage employees working at the seven largest publicly traded fast-food companies.

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“What this report shows,” explained NELP policy analyst Jack Temple, “is that whether or not you work in the fast-food industry or eat fast-food, the industry is costing you. The low wage business model that this industry is based on drains resources from the economy by forcing low-pay workers to rely on public assistance in order to make ends meet.”

These public assistance programs include the earned income tax credit, SNAP benefits (also known as food stamps), Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program, and the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. The largest of these is Medicaid. “Almost 90% of workers in the fast-food industry do not get health insurance," Temple said. "In addition to being a low-wage business model, it is also a virtually no-benefit business.”

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Temple added that while these companies are attempting to save money by paying their employees less, they may in fact be saving much less than they think. One such cost may come in the form of the industry’s high turnover rate. “Companies are just churning workers, and that’s due to low wages. When you invest in higher wages, you actually get significant savings in the form of reduced employee turnover.”

At least one group has taken issue with NELP’s argument. Employment Policies Institute research director Michael Saltsman explained that the current system of lower wages and government benefits is much more ideal than raising the minimum wage substantially. “The earned income tax credit has lifted thousands of people out of poverty, and it has done it without the consequences of increasing the minimum wage,” Saltsman said.

Saltsman added that companies simply are not going to hire as many people if wages increase substantially. “You can have a $15 minimum wage, or have the same number of opportunities that currently exist in the fast-food restaurant industry -- but you can’t have both.”

NELP argues, on the other hand, that these companies are in fact in the position to pay their workers more without hurting their bottom line. The two largest companies, McDonald’s and Yum! Brands, had a combined net income of $7 billion. These companies are profitable and growing, the group argues, and they owe it to the employees who help make them successful to pay them closer to a living wage.

In addition, while these companies pay many of their low-level workers a minimum wage, CEO compensation for these seven companies was a combined $52.7 million in fiscal 2012. Yum! Brands CEO David Novak alone earned $14.1 million last year.

Based on a recent report by the National Employment Law Project (NELP), "Super-Sizing Public Costs," 24/7 Wall St. determined the seven publicly-traded companies that cost the government the most money. Figures on CEO compensation, and the money the companies' spent on dividends and share buybacks for stockholders in fiscal 2012, were also provided by NELP. Income and revenue figures are from Morningstar and also for fiscal 2012. Salary figures for individual occupations are from Glassdoor.com. Changes in share prices are from Google Finance.


My personal opinion is that something in the $10-11/hr range, indexed to inflation would be reasonable.
 

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On second thought, maybe they DO GET IT and are just afraid of losing that power. It's the people who VOTE republican blindly that don't get it.

Don't underestimate the greed of the top...there is no such thing as "enough" to them.
This is all true.


But it's doesn't alleviate the workers and underachievers of responsibility. We deal with this because we accept it .

Same people speaking on this and fighting against this NOT ONLY are the same people supporting these companies, but are also the same people that haven't said 1 thing about low interest rates on savings while banks make billions.
 

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they don't want workers, they want slaves.
at a certain point... it's more the slaves fought for supporting and fighting to serve the master.

just look at the population numbers and tell me people couldn't make change as a unit.
 

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at a certain point... it's more the slaves fought for supporting and fighting to serve the master.

just look at the population numbers and tell me people couldn't make change as a unit.

The government is holding us back.

Until that day comes just going to have to keep it and extra :demonic:
 

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I was waiting for this response.

no time for enjoyment, is this really what it has come down to?

naw, you can enjoy shyt, just doesn't make sense to have a fridge full of food, but still go out to buy fast food...I understand wanting something quick after a long day, but I can fix something at the house quick...instead of going to blow the money on food you already have, why not do something else with it?...not only that, why would someone try to spend their last 20 just for the hell of it?...i'm all for having fun, if you work hard/you should play hard, but that doesnt mean make yourself ass out till the next time you get paid...don't spend all your disposable income, stash a lil...

as for this min wage debate:

i'm all for people getting paid, but i'll ask the same question I asked in the other thread - where does it stop?...people are quick to yell 'yea, increase the min wage', but where does it stop?...if they increase min wage to 'living wage' (by the way, what the fukk is a 'living wage'?), they gonna have to increase other wages, the cost of benefits, the requirements to get jobs, the cost of the products, etc...so more than likely, they gonna cut back on some of those jobs cause the company still gonna be trying to make as much money as possible...or a lot of the jobs people bytching about not paying enough, they not gonna be qualified enough to get with the new requirements...which in the end is gonna make a greater divide between the haves/have nots of this country...

also, why the fukk is everyone so keen on raising the wage for min wage jobs?...the main people campaigning for it dont even work min wage jobs....I get the vibe they fighting so hard for it so that the job they do will have to increase its wages too...
 

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naw, you can enjoy shyt, just doesn't make sense to have a fridge full of food, but still go out to buy fast food...I understand wanting something quick after a long day, but I can fix something at the house quick...instead of going to blow the money on food you already have, why not do something else with it?...not only that, why would someone try to spend their last 20 just for the hell of it?...i'm all for having fun, if you work hard/you should play hard, but that doesnt mean make yourself ass out till the next time you get paid...don't spend all your disposable income, stash a lil...

as for this min wage debate:

i'm all for people getting paid, but i'll ask the same question I asked in the other thread - where does it stop?...people are quick to yell 'yea, increase the min wage', but where does it stop?...if they increase min wage to 'living wage' (by the way, what the fukk is a 'living wage'?), they gonna have to increase other wages, the cost of benefits, the requirements to get jobs, the cost of the products, etc...so more than likely, they gonna cut back on some of those jobs cause the company still gonna be trying to make as much money as possible...or a lot of the jobs people bytching about not paying enough, they not gonna be qualified enough to get with the new requirements...which in the end is gonna make a greater divide between the haves/have nots of this country...

also, why the fukk is everyone so keen on raising the wage for min wage jobs?...the main people campaigning for it dont even work min wage jobs....I get the vibe they fighting so hard for it so that the job they do will have to increase its wages too...
Breh, if you think the fact that $20 is something should hold on to and "invest" or stash away then there is clearly an issue here. I specifically used that number to lure someone in and you fell for the bait. Now if we were talking maybe $100 a check then we can start debating...but at $20 you can't even buy a decent shirt anymore. What kind of return are you going to see on $20 anyway? Some of you cats are in a bizarro world in where believe that many people who are in these shytty situations CHOOSE to be. Why don't you live that lifestyle and only give yourself a $20 cushion on paydays...don't save the extra money either and give it away. Let's see how you feel if you do that for a year+

You cannot expect EVERYONE to be like...yeah I only have $20 extra on each check so I am going to cook ALL my meals (1,100 or so in a year of 365x3) and not miss ONE...NOT GET LAZY ONCE, NOT RELAX ONCE. WHO wants to live like that? Is that acceptable to you breh?

A $20 bill stacked 26 times out of the year equates to $520 a year...do you really think that most people are going to sacrifice a bit of happiness that comes from spending a little extra left over money they have? Get real, a year full of no breaks and can only net $520 in my scenario won't even cover rent for most of the population.

The economy NEEDS and THRIVES on disposable income and if we have reached the point in where possibly spending $20 every 2 weeks constitutes as some sort of irresponsibility then our standard of living has not increased at all.

Buy a Pizza at work for lunch one day and stay broke until Payday brehs...THIS is what it has come down to apparently.
 
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