Why Talib Kweli and Black Men Like Him Aren't shyt

[LadySimone]

Well before the idiots get in here and turn this into "I hate wimmenz thread #9001".
Can we at least admit quite a few of them were being pretty unreasonable ? Or even worse
because Talib asked for proof, they immediately shouted him down as a "misogynist" ?


I mean Talib asks for proof and this is the reply he gets from a twitter feminist

"That's my point U as a black man have not experienced their misogyny. And black women sure as hell don't need u to validate it"

What kinda shyt is that ?

It's called tautology.

 

[flo]

I disagree with this. How are Black men in the U.S. more privileged than Black women?

In other words she doesnt have the receipts

 

[The Coochie Assassin]

This is what happens when you no longer have any real problems in your life. You argue with conscious rappers on Twitter about how he is oppressing you

These women literally can't debate their "stance" because they are just regurgitating shyt after taking a feminist course at school and reading Kola Boof ....luckily they are a small minority and real women don't fucc with them

 

[The Coochie Assassin]

I mean, I see where they're coming from, to an extent. If you're not part of that group, their specific social experience will likely be a blind spot for you. They experience it 24/7 and see the world through their eyes. They see patriarchy/sexism as ubiquitous, we (men) likely do not notice it much. I understand that and so I primarily listen to women about their social experience and support their struggles as opposed to saying what is or isn't appropriate for them to say, do, or think.

I do agree that oppressed people should not have to do some sort of mathematical or philosophical proof of their oppression to someone who doesn't experience their oppression, but come on, at the same time we need to differentiate between the intent of the person asking. If someone is genuinely trying to learn and have a discussion, that should be handled completely differently from someone who is an outright, unrepentant racist/sexist/etc. For an oppressed person who lives that life everyday, yeah, it can be frustrating. No doubt about that.

do you support white people and their claims of how America is since you don't "see" the world from their specific social experience? Call me a dicc but I don't blindly support anything. That doesn't seem too smart and would probably cause even more social problems in the future since any group could abuse the "you aren't us so you can't tell us anything" tactic

I think if you are truly oppressed, it's easy to show proof of it and you would want to show proof, not just argue without proof...it's obvious these women are not what they claim to be

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Talib was intelligent, calm and remained respectful even when the folks he was arguing with started getting disrespectful and dismissive almost right away. He agreed with them on several of the larger issues stated and simply asked for reference of their accusations because he admitted he was unaware. He also admitted he was biased as a Spike fan but was prepared to agree he had made some misogynistic comments, if in fact the comments were accurate. They then proceeded to argue for pages and pages about burden of proof and claim to be debate champions in real life, all while refusing to provide any evidence and claiming the prompt asking for any is just more oppression.

shyt honestly gave me a headache just reading through it. I'm very progressive on basically all social issues but these were the type of people that are causing this backlash against super-PC attitudes that a lot of people seem to be jumping aboard now. That's even more problematic than anything they discussed IMO.

 

[Gravity]

Which is something I entirely agree on, as a man, I obviously and truthfully cannot speak on
"misogyny against women" from any sort of first hand perspective on account of being born
a man.
So in that sense, I can agree with what you're saying and had that been the focus
of the twitter conversation and had Talib Kweli disagreed, I would've called him on that.

In this situation though Talib was challenging claims of people being "misogynists" or their
calling certain public figures their enemies without any concrete proof only assertions and what
he got in return was pure vitriol for even entertaining the notion that they could be wrong.

Some of these replies threw me for a loop :



(this one in particular is so stupid, you can't
help but laugh. )

Just...WHAT !?!

<---- This woman is in college.

So while I'm careful not to discount any personal accounts of misogyny, I'm also equally
careful with throwing around labels like "Misogynist", unfortunately these women weren't/aren't
which has frankly left them looking like intolerant fools not the progressive, open minded
individuals they'd like to portray themselves as.

For the record I'm just posting these in here to highlight just how nutty they sound and I'm glad we generally agree.

The guy you're responding to clearly doesn't agree with you and sides with the Twitter feminists.

This divisiveness is a sickness. If people spent most of their lives on the Internet you would think black men and women are incompatible

The people on the Internet are real tho. While I agree that the divide isn't as bad in real life as it is on the net but the I do think that the net illustrates where the trends are treading. It's not a good look.

 

[Sam Davison]

What gets me is that Talib asked a question so he could educate himself however, they still want to be offended. It's not about fighting for what's right with folks. It's more about wanting to find something to be offended by.

I get women wanting to be treated equally however, these Twitter feminists or internet feminists can take things really far. We got folks crying about the office A/C or "manspreading." I gets old after a while and they wonder why people don't take them seriously.

 

[homiedontplaydat]

What the fukk is this black male privilege I keep hearing about

What exactly do I as a black man have privilege to that black women dont???

Being a straight black male in this country is more of a handicap than anything.

 

[feelosofer]

The problem is that these new age feminists (20-35) have very little to complain about, so they have to make up things to be angry about. Then when someone questions it or asks for further clarification, they go into a fetal position and deflect, knowing good and well their positions are complete bullshyt and have no basis except essentially confirming they are simply spoiled entitled brats.

If any of these girls did their homework they would realize that if anything Talib Kweli is easily one of the most pro-Black woman rappers that's out there. In fact the fact that he is trying to have a debate with them as intellectual equals is the true definition of equality which is what these women don't really want, what they want is female privilege without the responsibility that comes with it. This is exacerbated with Black women because this pits them directly against Black men, equating them as oppressors way worse than the precarious position put on them more so due to white supremacy.