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You know what I mean. Loyalty within the confines of a committed relationship ie no cheating. That is very much possible within a relationship whether you're married or not.



I understand your meaning now.
When we dig to the root cause of a lot of infidelities...you'll find that there is a common theme of immaturity, dishonesty and low self esteem/confidence.


Perhaps, we as men need to do some more building and the right woman will come along to provide the capstone.

We often play to a female's desires and place them before our own needs of personal development.

I think this is the problem.
 

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I dont fear commitment
I just don't trust women completely simple as that
I seen and been in some of fukked up situations that
Just how I personally feel
If I trust u majority that's a huge win for u but u ain't getting 100% trust for me
And I make that perfectly clear
I reserve the rest for when or if u fukk up I won't be as surprised or as hurt
Too many times I'm loyal and I'll do this for u and I'll be by your side when the chips are down
Then when shyt hits the fan they ghost quicker Casper or a damn ghost in ghost busters

Same goes for the males it's on both ends as far as I'm concerned

I rather be a Honest blunt a$$hole and tell u what's up front so when u fukk up can't say shyt too me or make excuses like it's my fault

People wonder y divorce rates are high or so many kids with single parents cuz commitment to a person doesn't last long cuz people are down right selfish
Commitment gonna turn into a word that is a myth at this rate
 

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Personally I don't exactly fear it, but I just ain't too privy to try it...

I've never met/been with someone I'd actually want to commit to....hell it's damn near mission impossible trying to find a legit person to date nowadays (in my travels)....

Plus, how can I seriously commit to one who will leave my ass the moment a "better ticket" comes along, no matter how well I treated them?....Why should I commit if you're still choosing most likely?

The game is destroyed......hell, it was destroyed the moment we started calling it "the Game"....

But that's just how I see it....
 

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True! But what about the men that truly want to be single? Even though they dealing with women. Where does that fit in?
If a man wants to be single forever but the woman does not, then they need to part ways as their goals aren't aligned. But I believe every man on some level wants a family. Having someone we provide for, take care of, are dependent upon us make us feel worthy, important etc. It's what drives us as men to become better and gives us purpose. Of course we want to become better for ourselves too.

A lot of people that truly want to be single have had childhood or relationship issues in the past. Maybe their parents relationship was a toxic one and they don't want that. Maybe all the relationships they have been in weren't necessarily positive, so that's all they think is possible.
 

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Most men hate being vulnerable and not in control of said situation.
Actually watching a relationship deteriorate while your in it:francis:
that Anthony Hamilton song:wow:

I believe most people do both men and women. That's why we're living in a society where people are afraid to commit and get serious with someone for a fear of being hurt, played, etc.
 

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While I agree with what you're saying but I hate when people say "you slept with him so why should he commit"

Like if the only thing I have to offer to make a dude commit is sex I must be a terrible person :heh:
Looking at it from the man's perspective if he's already getting what he wants, what incentive is there for him to change what he's doing? There is none. Women complaining about it isn't going to change the situation. He just doesn't want to commit to you and it doesn't necessarily mean that there's anything wrong with you either.

It's best to be clear and straightforward about what you want from the get go. And sex is not going to make a man commit. If he can't nor does not want to give you what you want, then you might have to remove yourself from the situation.
 

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Men are socialized to have women also. Don't you see those cats on YouTube whining and complaining about not having a girlfriend? They perceive themselves as less than because of their difficulty in attracting women.

In 2016 both men and women go through a period where they don't want to be in a committed relationship, and want to go out there and have fun. Women are becoming more like men in that regards, or maybe that's just how women have always been.

With men I think it's more about having sex than relationships. Those men aren't whining because they lack gfs but because they lack p*ssy.
It's unheard of men wanting relationships or feeling played cuz someone just had sex with them, women on the other hand complain about that because their end goal was a relationship.

I srsly don't think men value commitment until they get commited
 

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With men I think it's more about having sex than relationships. Those men aren't whining because they lack gfs but because they lack p*ssy.
It's unheard of men wanting relationships or feeling played cuz someone just had sex with them, women on the other hand complain about that because their end goal was a relationship.

I srsly don't think men value commitment until they get commited
That's not true. The average guy just wants a girlfriend, most men aren't players that have women throwing themselves at them all the time. Those dudes on YouTube want a girlfriend, they want someone they can spend time with, build with, grow with etc.

Yes, there is the stigma that the more women you have sex with the more of a man you are. But most dudes just don't got it like that. Most men are average and mostly have girlfriends outside of the occasional hookup here and there. It may be different in college though, because of how much easier it is to get sex from so many different people.
 
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