Why is Poitier an insecure fakkit? Alway pickin on other black groups :dahell:

[IllmaticDelta]

It may be correct in an Indian context but not in a Nigerian one, hence he wasn't able to back up his claims with any evidence and/or a logical argument. I've already stated that Nigerians abroad come from varied backgrounds, rich, poor, well-educated and not so well-educated but most tend to have a deep respect for education. I know that many other cultures share this sentiment- I didn't say otherwise. I'm not denigrating any other cultures,

It's right for the Nigerian context too..

I'm just saying that those Nigerians who do well in academia deserve the praise that they receive.

I agree

They don't deserve to have people, especially other black people, downplay their achievements by suggesting that they have been predisposed to be successful because they come from some type of privileged background.

It's not about downplaying...it's about putting things into their proper perspective. How do you think the tiny about of Africans numbers would if you were to add on another 10-15 million of them?

Personally, when I see another black person do well in life, particularly in academics, I feel nothing but pride for them because I know the restrictions that we all have placed on us;

true

I don't immediately start to think up excuses as to why they're doing so well.

again, see above. The point I was trying to hit on was explained right here

They have no damn right to even think of us as "lazy". I would never dare move to Bahia, Brazil and look at the locals as "lazy". Unlike me who is a "selective immigrant" I was not born/raised under their system...

Most of these immigrants are nothing more than selective groups from their country.

I don't know why people can't grasp this. For example in this thread...

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/russ...ch-love-for-black-american-men.378859/page-12

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/russ...uch-love-for-black-american-men.378859/page-5

Yeah africans in europe are parallel to mexicans over here. They're seen as leeches to the system and a lot of drugs in europe come from West african cartels

Most AA in europe are in the military, students, basketball players or higher social/monetary standing so the experience is more positive.

Does help that AA are seen as 'cool' world wide through the arts.(music entertainment ect)

nah its not that because the ones here are students, heck one of my neighbors and good friends was the son of a senator in nigeria.

its that a lot of nigerians are drug dealers and in japan, pimps. whereas AAs, if they're traveling all the way across the planet, they usually have money and an open mind, southside chicago nikkas arent flying to japan on vacation. so when they meet AAs they have good impressions because the ones representing are middle class professional black americans.

^^those are clear examples how self selection work.

 

[Anwulika]

@IllmaticDelta

You have yet to prove exactly how the Nigerians abroad come from a select privileged minority, in that they are much more educated/more ambitious(?)/better off than their Nigeria-bound counterparts. You keep giving me examples of other groups in other countries yet no credible ones of Nigerians abroad. The only ones that you have provided, with regards to Nigerians abroad, seem to be based on hearsay from 2 Coli posters, who are probably prejudiced in the first place. Even then, you seem to contradict yourself as one of the sources that you've used seems to relate to Japan, in which there are much fewer Nigerians compared to countries such as the US and the UK. You cannot say that Nigerian sucess abroad is heavily affected by their small numbers there then in the same breath go on to use evidence from a country that has an even smaller number of Nigerians living there- this is what one could call 'confirmation bias'. Btw, as a second generation African immigrant living in the UK, I can tell you that here in the UK, at least, African immigrants are not in a similar predicament to Mexicans in the US, so you might as well just write off everything that poster told you. I can't speak for other European countries as I'm not knowledgeable about them and unlike others on this site, I don't like to treat whole continents as one monolith.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@IllmaticDelta

You have yet to prove exactly how the Nigerians abroad come from a select privileged minority, in that they are much more educated/more ambitious(?)/better off than their Nigeria-bound counterparts. You keep giving me examples of other groups in other countries yet no credible ones of Nigerians abroad. The only ones that you have provided, with regards to Nigerians abroad, seem to be based on hearsay from 2 Coli posters, who are probably prejudiced in the first place. Even then, you seem to contradict yourself as one of the sources that you've used seems to relate to Japan,

I didn't contradict anything. That Japan example was a quick example to highlight that emigrant populations from the same country can vary. It's a matter of which type is the other nation in question, getting.

in which there are much fewer Nigerians compared to countries such as the US and the UK. You cannot say that Nigerian sucess abroad is heavily affected by their small numbers there then in the same breath go on to use evidence from a country that has an even smaller number of Nigerians living there- this is what one could call 'confirmation bias'.

See my above point. It's like comparing Haitian's that come to the USA vs Haitian's in the Dom Republic and Haitian's in Haiti.

Btw, as a second generation African immigrant living in the UK, I can tell you that here in the UK, at least, African immigrants are not in a similar predicament to Mexicans in the US, so you might as well just write off everything that poster told you.

I never said anything about African's in the UK

I can't speak for other European countries as I'm not knowledgeable about them and unlike others on this site, I don't like to treat whole continents as one monolith.

Bottom line is this

Yeah. See, Im not a hater and will never hate on a fellow black person doingbut these handful of black immigrants who are highly self selected when you compare them to the masses of their native country getting big headed by comparing themselves to the full scale of Afram society keep forgetting this fact when they make these comparisons. Not to shyt on anyone's homeland but if they were as fully representative of the land they left as they claim, their countries would be in alot better state than they are

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/why-...ck-groups-dahell.406346/page-32#post-18081896

which is also the point Poitier was trying to relay to you here

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/why-...ck-groups-dahell.406346/page-40#post-18104403

 

[The M.I.C.]

Something good came out of this

He was baiting too much.

 

[Anwulika]

I didn't contradict anything. That Japan example was a quick example to highlight that emigrant populations from the same country can vary. It's a matter of which type is the other nation in question, getting.

Yes you did. You used that example to try and prove the argument that your theory of selection was true in regards to Nigerians abroad, hence why in those same examples they go on to talk about African Americans in America compared to those abroad, relating to your argument about Nigerians abroad vs Nigerians at home. You're now changing your argument but I digress...





See my above point. It's like comparing Haitian's that come to the USA vs Haitian's in the Dom Republic and Haitian's in Haiti.

Hmmm...



I never said anything about African's in the UK

You didn't but the quotes that you used to back up your argument did, suggesting that you agree with it, or do you not agree with your own evidence?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

That poster said europe but he didn't specify (ask essdot, I think he's an african in europe) what region/country. The other poster was talking about Nigerians in Japan. Do I agree them? Well, Im not about to look up what Nigerians are doing in every European nation they live but I can find info on Nigerians in japan quicker and saw this..

Interethnic relations

Nigerians have a very poor public image in Japan, with public reports of their activities often focused on crime and scams in bar districts to the exclusion of other aspects of the community. Some Nigerian bar and club owners have been known to spike alcoholic drinks and rob their customers, but though some reports of such incidents are borne out by investigation, others turn out to have no more factual backing than the customer waking up with a bad hangover.[2] Many claim to be African American in an effort to avoid stereotypes and harassment.[7]

Nigerians in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Last week, The Japan Times ran a Bloomberg interview with Shintaro Ishihara in which the proudly provocative Tokyo governor followed up his contention that foreigners were behind the city’s rising crime rate. He challenged his interviewers to go to Roppongi and see for themselves. “Africans — and I don’t mean African-Americans — who don’t speak English are there doing who knows what,” he said.

You expect such careless bluster from Ishihara, but his statement deserves scrutiny. One explanation for the governor’s popularity is the way he is seen to reflect what his supporters think is common sense. What are non-American black people doing in Japan? It must be something bad.

It wouldn’t be difficult to believe that Japanese people have a negative image of Africans, given what they see and hear through the media. As far as Roppongi goes, newspapers and magazines often run articles about how Africans, especially Nigerians, have become increasingly involved in Tokyo’s bar and nightclub business and use credit-card fraud and bill-padding practices to milk customers.

'Africans in Japan' . . . not from the quill of Ishihara, thank God | The Japan Times

Must be a case of bad self selection

 

[Anwulika]

That poster said europe but he didn't specify (ask essdot, I think he's an african in europe) what region/country. The other poster was talking about Nigerians in Japan. Do I agree them? Well, Im not about to look up what Nigerians are doing in every European nation they live but I can find info on Nigerians in japan quicker and saw this..



Nigerians in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




'Africans in Japan' . . . not from the quill of Ishihara, thank God | The Japan Times

Must be a case of bad self selection

It's nice that you've finally found some evidence actually relating to Nigerians abroad, I was getting tired of asking you the same question without response. However, what your sources and your arguments fail to cover is what I highlighted in your first post, to paraphrase, you said something akin to 'Nigerians abroad are more educated, more ambitious (?) or better off than their Nigeria-bound counterparts, you failed to back up this claim with any evidence relating to Nigerians abroad. Then you proceeded to use quotes, in which you yourself are not certain of, to support this argument. Why argue about something that you're ignorant of? After acknowledging that you're ignorant in the matter, you then, in the same breath, go on to use evidence that supposedly supports your claims about Nigerians in Japan . Don't tell me that after reading these two sources, one of which is unreliable and thus only used for preliminary research, you now know about the situations of Nigerians living in Japan? Anyway, I digress, the crux of the matter is in the first part of my paragraph, which I'm sure that you'll try to ignore; what evidence/logical argument do you have to support your claim that Nigerians abroad are: more educated, more ambitious (?) or better off than their Nigeria-bound counterparts.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

They might not be rich but they are from a more educated/ambitious/better off, self selected minority when you compare them to the masses within their homelands. This type off self selection holds (it can be skewed towards poorer types too, for the record) true for all emigrants who leave their native land to live in another nation. I once posted this for an example




Take this for example...a great example of self selection


Indian Americans: The New Model Minority

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Indian Americans: The New Model Minority

Now compare that tiny minority in America to their homeland



Thirty-three percent of world’s poorest live in India

Thirty-three percent of world’s poorest live in India

One in three of world's poorest live in India

One in three of world's poorest live in India


Why the big gap? It's a matter of numbers and what types of emigrants (poorer types, more motivated and educated) is the country in question sending out and abroad.

I find these studies ignore the clear difference between North and South Indians. North Indians tend to do it the harder way in America, they usually come from the bottom wherever they are from in India, they open businesses, drive cabs, grind, etc; South Indians are the ones who are super strict when it comes to education and prioritize it above everything else. South Indians are usually the ones who were well off and educated in India before moving abroad, and the South Indians who come here tend to be of higher caste, unlike people like the Patels and Singhs who, while of lower caste, became prominent social groups in India and abroad largely through group economics. India is too diverse and has too many different ethnic groups and cultures to pose such a cut and dry scenario ie; "the Indians who come here all had it good..." It's simply not true in all cases, maybe for South Indians, but not for everyone else.

 

[Londilon]

I think he is either a woman pretending to be a man or a homosexual.

 

[Poitier]

I think he is either a woman pretending to be a man or a homosexual.

Run into another thread like a female because you are in your feelings p*ssy nikka

 

[Londilon]

Run into another thread like a female because you are in your feelings p*ssy nikka

hmm and you are stalking me on a forum like a homosexual

 

[Poitier]

hmm and you are stalking me on a forum like a homosexual

I'm stalking you in my appreciation thread?

 

[Londilon]

I'm stalking you in my appreciation thread?

Pretty much. I dont go that way and if you are a woman you are most likely ugly so I'll pass.

 

[Poitier]

Pretty much. I dont go that way and if you are a woman you are most likely ugly so I'll pass.

Keep fanning your vagina dawg ole ass nikka

 

[Londilon]

Keep fanning your vagina dawg ole ass nikka

only homosexuals and women talk like the above

So its confirmed that you are a homosexual,