me and @Art Barr had this convo, along time ago..
most these folks, have no clue wtf their even talking about.. 
skaters, never had a style to claim.. early skate fashion, was geared around surf culture.. the colors, designs and majority of the brands- were surf companies.. then, when b-boying was at its peak.. street skating became big.. really big.. alot of b-boys got into skating(alot of tricks, are even b-boy related/named, but thats an entire other convo).. alot of gear, was really geared toward b-boys.. alot of it..
fast forward to the 90s.. early 90s// alot of military & surplus gear.. chain wallets were heavy back then.. mid-90s.. right back to hip-hop related sh!t(big baggy pants.. most folks didnt even wear skate shoes.. or, skate brands.. they dressed like most kids who were into hip-hop back then..
how the hell can skateboarding ever be bigger than hip-hop, when their whole style has been related to hip-hop for almost 40yrs.. 
even, now.. its funny seeing people talk about hipsters, when if you really dont skate.. aint in the scene like that, but wanna wear these so-called skate brands.. you're realistically looked at as a hipster.. thats why alot of these brands, have no longevity in the skate scene.. their see through.. you got all these wanna be clothing designers.. flipping other peoples artwork.. slapping a logo on it, and thinking their in the game.. their not.. anyone can start a brand.. find some t-shirt templates online, put ya lil graphic on it, and you're a "designer".. sh!t is hilarious, if anything.. these folks, ARE the hipsters of skateboarding.. their the culture-vultures.. i could go on about it mor, but its useless.. these folks think they know everything.. let em cook.. they'll phase out like the rest of 'em sooner, or later..
Somewhere in the triphop rave scene, explosion of urban and imported clothing brands, around 95.
All this got lost.
that by 97,...
There were hordes of, fashion labels that rose up and somehow made it how it is now.
When, hiphop commercialized lo and girbaud.
Plus, moved into a higher priced sector that associated luxury with hiphop gear.
All because of reg know's look and clothing choices.
In the corporate structure of Leo burnett.
So, his lo life inspired lo fascination and Puba fascination with girbaud denim was lifted.
To where it just, naturally became the go to label and uniform in 96, for anyone black, globally anywhere.
Outside of just a culture based zone.
When, hiphop was marketed and globalized.
into then the most profitable culture in the world.
Till, this was abandoned in the boom of black entreprenneur urban designer age.
Or the rapper endorsed clothing line, that was overly fascinated with denim.
That eventually also ruined the culture ability to show growth professionally for people into hiphop as a look.
Where the business casual aesthetic reg know brought to the corporate world, created the fascination and boom ability of these clothing companies.
Well, after the Kani and Maurice Malone begin era.
After the transition from the the de-evolution of the draw from troop, task force to used and damaged.
Where clothes became simple because Maurice Malone was rightfully taxing clothes designers. for trying to make clothes with his accents and designs.
So, they went another route and it became imo, let's short change the consumer for clothes and give them less.
for a higher cost and make them spend more money.
So, the price justification for Maurice Malone inspired denim boutique priced pants and gear was lost.
All, because fashion of course can be oversaturated and go out of style.
Yet, the style was so b*stardized by the non-culturally and culturally associated clothing companies.
They soon played themselves out.
trying to profit and not create pieces worth the cost/price.
In that is how this downgraded lack of material based clothing.
they have now mixed with early nineties t shirt fascination arose and in that.
is how anyone can get into being a hipster clothing brand.
With very little accents or adds or pluses.
that do not reflect the asking price of the designer or fashion label.
It is all a good head fake based in an era that has relevancy but an era ignored.
All, because they don't want you as a consumer to know you are being ripped off.
All these companies are getting by on pricing models.
Their product really does not have the real prestige/craftsmanship from the era, they are selling you.
Which is why someone could believe skating is bigger than hiphop.
When, it is not possible, but when the main commercial gateway pillar of hiphop is destroyed as a draw.
Like breaking was and Tommy in thrashing is like break'n is dead.
It looks exactly how it did, at that time.
Except skating vertical also met the same fate as breaking and the flatland street era spawned by mullen, during that time arose.
When, flatland or street was kinda looked at as solely mullen's thing.
Till street got injected wit the culture of hiphop.
to take away the figure skating mastery and inherrent connected softness of mullen's airtight professional routines.
Street skating, like the other pillars.
arose to cover up for the death of the mainstream explosion of breakin in a commercial setting.
Now, am I glad skating has an explosion again,...hell yeah.
As, it gives me something to go out and do and still connect.
to how it kinda was culturally for me in hiphop.
Way before and after I discovered a love for skating, in 85-86.
The, only bad part is, I can't tell who is who.
All, because the look is so b*stardized.
You, don't know who to trust in the same manner you did when shyt was real.
Art Barr
I've been buying supreme since box logos still sat on shelfs before lines and instant sell outs. What killed supreme was the OF hype most of OF fan base is cac kids and hipsters. A lot of Supreme shyt did fall off hype was dying down but it's back up again. It's all good I still cop heat items that 99% of hype beast fakkits miss out on.
