Why doesn't God reveal himself to those who don't believe? (3 min.VID)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

having seen jesus shuttlesworth talk religion before, you guys should know realize that he literally has nothing else to offer you other than something along the lines of "blah blah blah, i'm going to reword the watchmaker analogy over and over again"
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And I can clearly see you're not very intelligent. Not once did I ever mention your beloved/hated watchmaker analogy (never even heard of it until that day). What I said was something similar that clearly went over your head. Proof that talking to you is a waste of time.

Thanks for checking in though. Propaganda huh? Maybe I'll remember your name next time you mention mine.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Ok but I never denied anything you said. I simply said you're argument starts in the middle and you completely omitted the beginning part. That's where the disagreement comes in and that's also where you have no answer. Coincidence? Well, I already told you I don't believe in those.

Peace

I don't have a concrete answer for how Biological life arose on this planet but neither do you. I can talk to you about the current scientific theories on how biological life arose but I can't say for sure. You want me to have all the answers of the universe and then when I honestly give you the truth you have a "GOTCHA! " moment and act like everything else I said is irrelevant.

 

[noon]

Well that's where belief comes into play. But I can assure you the evidence is there for those who seek it. But if you've already made up your mind, it's easy to ignore the signs. I don't give advice, but I would suggest you study up on the subject. Get all the information before making such a decision.

I've had lots of information. I grew up as a Catholic. I spent many years of my life seeking evidence. In the end I came to the conclusion that divine intervention was indistinguishable from random chance and the "God moves in mysterious ways" was a lazy answer.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't have a concrete answer for how Biological life arose on this planet but neither do you. I can talk to you about the current scientific theories on how biological life arose but I can't say for sure. You want me to have all the answers of the universe and then when I honestly give you the truth you have a "GOTCHA! " moment and act like everything else I said is irrelevant.

So you don't know, you're just 100% sure it wasn't God? Do you have any logical evidence to back up this claim.

A universe from nothing seems illogical and unscientific to me. God seems unscientific but perfectly logical. And since God isn't a part of this creation, the science of this creation doesn't need to apply in this case. So we have unscientific and illogical vs unscientific.

Would you care to retort?

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

He's not there when you call him, but he's there when you need him

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I've had lots of information. I grew up as a Catholic. I spent many years of my life seeking evidence. In the end I came to the conclusion that divine intervention was indistinguishable from random chance and the "God moves in mysterious ways" was a lazy answer.

So where are you in your journey for truth now? I hope you haven't given up because a) giving up is not good and b) you just called some other people lazy.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

So you don't know, you're just 100% sure it wasn't God? Do you have any logical evidence to back up this claim.

A universe from nothing seems illogical and unscientific to me. God seems unscientific but perfectly logical. And since God isn't a part of this creation, the science of this creation doesn't need to apply in this case.

Would you care to retort?

I never said I was 100% sure it wasn't God, but guess what, ancient man used to think that there was a God in the volcanoes that made them erupt, that there was a god in the sky that made lightning and thunder, but what did science discover down the road? The processes that create lightning, thunder and what causes volcanoes to erupt. You can't just attribute something that we don't have the answer to right now as God doing it. Science does not say the universe is from "nothing", science does not know where the original infinitely dense and hot matter came from. God just explains away all the bullshyt that you don't know, it eases your mind to know that you have all the answers.

 

[tmonster]

There is no "origin" to natural selection/evolution, it's just what happens. Humans are always asking that question, "but where did that come from?" it's like asking where gravity came from... These are just natural laws of the universe, if there even is an answer to "Where did gravity come from?" I seriously doubt that answer is knowable by humans here on Earth. I mean, you'd literally have to be able to talk to the universe itself on some Avatar shyt. In terms of the bolded I'm not sure what you're saying exactly and I'm not sure you know exactly what natural selection is. Biological life arose on earth (in a way that has not been determined by science) and interacted with the environment which changes the organism over time. I think it's pretty logically safe to assume that biological life comes about in a naturalistic process and I think that answer will be answered by science in a relatively short period of time.

seriously!
but to be fair, the question itself does not bother me
the context is my issue
"but where did that come from" is just not an answer or argument against the lack of evidence for god as he is commonly described, it's simply the original and least sophisticated iteration of the "god of the gaps" argument, moreover it blatantly re-presents and then casually ignores the ultimate question.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

seriously!
but to be fair, the question itself does not bother me
the context is my issue
"but where did that come from" is just not an answer or argument against the lack of evidence for god as he is commonly described, it's simply the original and least sophisticated iteration of the "god of the gaps" argument, moreover it blatantly re-presents and then casually ignores the ultimate question.

And lets be even realer here, @Jesus Shuttlesworth can't even tell me what God is. He can tell me his idea of what God is, but he can't tell me any objective facts about "God". So saying "God" did it is as good as saying "I don't know shyt, I'm dumb as fukk".

 

[DonkeyPuncher718]

But see the video kinda indirectly touches on this as well. You're viewing the universe from your view and trying to understand it from there. God puts us in certain situations that don't necessarily have to be good or bad, it's about your perception.

The death of a baby certainly seems devastating but it can also increase one's faith as well. The devastation is for the grieving family more than the baby and is only temporary because in the grand scheme of things, if God exists then what you perceive as death, a bad thing, is simply a transition, a good thing. And there is good in grief for those with the strength to find it.

Life is a test. See, in school, they teach you the lesson then give you the test. In life, you get the test, then you learn the lesson.

I don't believe in coincidences, friend. Do you think this conversation is merely a coincidence? If so you are only looking at the surface and I would encourage you to dig deeper in all things in life.

Seriously??? There are good things that come from children dying??? This is part of that whole "It's all part of gods plan bullshyt. What plan involves innocent children dying in the most horrific ways??

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I never said I was 100% sure it wasn't God, but guess what, ancient man used to think that there was a God in the volcanoes that made them erupt, that there was a god in the sky that made lightning and thunder, but what did science discover down the road? The processes that create lightning, thunder and what causes volcanoes to erupt. You can't just attribute something that we don't have the answer to right now as God doing it. Science does not say the universe is from "nothing", science does not know where the original infinitely dense and hot matter came from. God just explains away all the bullshyt that you don't know, it eases your mind to know that you have all the answers.

When did I say I had all the answers?

All I'm saying is these scientific laws man discovers are authored by God. It's not a cop out. It's understanding. You don't seem to understand that.

Perhaps your perception of God is a really big man with a white beard and a toga pulling lots of strings. I can see the nonsense in that myself so perhaps that's where your disbelief comes from. But to me it's more understanding than anything and when I talk to atheists they all generally have one thing in common and that's their complete lack of understanding what we're even talking about.

But that's not to single out atheists. There's a lot of religious idiots too who follow blindly and really don't understand a thing. See @Chris.B

Science and God are not rivals at all. Science belongs to God. I have no beef with science at all. I'm simply saying "A and B" while you're clinging to strictly B, not realizing that without A, there is no B.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

When did I say I had all the answers?

All I'm saying is these scientific laws man discovers are authored by God. .

For something authored by God, you seemingly give no fukks to actually learn about them.

Also, you can't prove that scientific laws are authored by God, so maybe you should just keep your little theories to yourself.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Seriously??? There are good things that come from children dying??? This is part of that whole "It's all part of gods plan bullshyt. What plan involves innocent children dying in the most horrific ways??

Again, perception, friend. What is death to the believer? A meeting with God.

Absolutely the parents will be saddened. But there is potential for good in all situations. Inheriting a million dollars can be a bad thing if you choose to perceive it that way. You have to pay taxes on it, you have to deal with "friends" with their hand out. You could overspend and eventually go into debt.

It's obvious you're looking at it in the most emotionally reactionary way. But I have a cousin who's twin brother died as a baby and he says that's his motivation for life.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

For something authored by God, you seemingly give no fukks to actually learn about them.

Also, you can't prove that scientific laws are authored by God, so maybe you should just keep your little theories to yourself.

"Keep your little theories to yourself" says the guy who swears by natural selection and evolution. But I'm sure you proved that in another thread, right?

Laws have authors. Science contains laws. These laws have an author.

Modus ponens.

Or did natural selection also naturally select gravity?

 

[Propaganda]

And I can clearly see you're not very intelligent. Not once did I ever mention your beloved/hated watchmaker analogy (never even heard of it until that day). What I said was something similar that clearly went over your head. Proof that talking to you is a waste of time.

Thanks for checking in though. Propaganda huh? Maybe I'll remember your name next time you mention mine.

maybe you don't mention it by name but you make that very same argument time and time again, apparently without realizing it.

you can be mad about it and insult me if it makes you feel better though. it doesn't change the fact.