MenacingMonk
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I’m basing it on everything. I mentioned both comics and shows.
Ive been to plenty of Cons since 2012. I rarely saw anyone dress as BP prior to 2018.
Why doesn't DC have any iconic original black heroes?
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Ive been to plenty of Cons since 2012. I rarely saw anyone dress as BP prior to 2018.
Then how can you sit there and say that when Stewart's comics never sold? Explain that to me?I’m basing it on everything. I mentioned both comics and shows.
Ive been to plenty of Cons since 2012. I rarely saw anyone dress as BP prior to 2018.
MenacingMonk
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I’m not reading how many sales these books sell. Sales talk is just like the ratings talk with sports.Then how can you sit there and say that when Stewart's comics never sold? Explain that to me?
I’m going on what I see on the streets, media and talk. It’s true that DC doesn’t have an iconic black character, but I’m talking about the overall push of black characters. DC is still ahead of Marvel there.
John Stewart is the current leader of The Justice League.
I think right now Black Lightning is leading The Outsiders and Cyborg was leading the JL team in the Justice League Odyssey book before becoming one of Darkseid's new New Gods.
Mr. Terrific was leading The Terrifics but that book just got canceled.
Amanda Waller was removed as leader from the new Suicide Squad book in like the first issue.
The only black character with a solo book is GL Jo Mullein in that Far Sector book.
The crazy thing is that DC would be publishing a far more diverse lineup right now if Dan Didio didn't get fired because his 5G plans were to replace a lot of the current DC characters with a more diverse lineup:
Luke Fox was going to replace Batman
Jo Mullein was going to be the new primary Green Lantern
Jackson Hyde was going to be the new Aquaman
There were rumors that Nubia was going to be the new Wonder Woman
Blame Geoff Johns for that.
Wonder why the fired Dan?
Also the creator of BL feels like the is basically Batman's shoe shine boy. He should have his own book. I don't understand why he doesn't?
I’m not reading how many sales these books sell. Sales talk is just like the ratings talk with sports.
I’m going on what I see on the streets, media and talk. It’s true that DC doesn’t have an iconic black character, but I’m talking about the overall push of black characters. DC is still ahead of Marvel there.
DC is only ahead because they have WB backing them for decades. Marvel gives every character a push, as least as far as their books go. Monica Rambeau led the Avengers (granted they were still B-C list), but still...and used their flagship title of Captain Marvel. Bishop had solos, Nighthawk had a solo, Luke Cage/Falcon/War Machine/Misty Knight/Blade had a few. Frenzy got the bump into the X-Men, every decade they try something new with Voodoo, or Prowler. Night Thrasher led the New Warriors, had a book, and recently popped up. There was the incredible Patriot, who for whatever reason is now off the slate. There's everything they've been doing with Blue Marvel. Miles, Riri, Lunella have been all over the place since creation, Storm was in all promo material until they pulled back from using X-Men. There's Manifold, Oya, wack a$$ Gentle.
That's over the past 30 years, while DC was riding Batman. Marvel has done more with Prowler, or even Night Thrasher than DC has done with Mr. Terrific.
Cyborg has been getting pushed since the 80's though. He's been a prominent feature since Superfriends cartoon. He was getting more push than Aquaman, who they were running from, and Flash (who they couldn't figure out which one they wanted).
The bottom line is DC doesn't push any of it's characters. Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, and Grayson are proof. You can even add how they do Superman, compared to Bats.
MenacingMonk
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I’m not arguing that black characters in Marvel Comics Aren’t getting shine. I’m just saying DC has done more to push their black characters beyond comics. Re-read my posts. I barely mention comic books.
I'm a comic book reader/writer not a casual.
Tony Isabella has been pissed about Black Lightning being in the Outsiders as what he considers basically one of Batman's sidekicks since the first series in the 1980s. And he really hates the new Batman & The Outsiders version of Black Lightning because the writer started a romantic entanglement between BL and Katana while Isabella thinks that Lynn is BL's "Lois Lane" and the only woman he should be with.Wonder why the fired Dan?
Also the creator of BL feels like the is basically Batman's shoe shine boy. He should have his own book. I don't understand why he doesn't?
As for BL in the current Outsiders book I understand why DC did it. Black Lightning books haven't sold very well the last few times he had a solo run but slap Batman's name on it and a book that has Black Lightning as the lead may actually get some traction.
It's fukked up but that's comics.
Plus Bryan Edward Hill has done a decent job writing for the character on that book.
You are overstating Marvel while downplaying DC in this conversation.
Monica Rambeau was Captain Marvel when they didn't give a damn about the name and they snatched that title right away from her as soon as it was decided to do a Captain Marvel book with a white alien dude.
For that whole middle section you wrote the counterargument would be Mr. Terrific, John Stewart, Amanda Waller, Vixen, Static, Black Lightning, Thunder, Lightning, Kid Flash, Steel, Bumblebee, Cyborg, Batwing, Signal, Natasha Irons, Power Girl, Kid Quantum, Firestorm, Jakeem Thunder etc who have all had spotlights in team and event books, solo titles or mini-series, one shots etc.
And Mr. Terrific started out being featured in other people's books, became the leader of the Justice Society, had his own solo series, was the lead in the Terrifics comic and is now the co-lead of the Strange Adventures miniseries Tom King is doing. That is more shine than Prowler and Night Thrasher combined have ever had if we are being honest.
Neither company has covered themselves in glory when it comes to a consistent featuring of black characters though. I would give Marvel the current edge just because they have tended to have more ongoing solo titles for black characters recently but nobody is really doing anything worth throwing a parade for.
Wait, what did @Still FloW do to catch that ban?
