Why does liberal entertainment media got to be so insufferable?

[Easy-E]

that line is personal for you, breh. that line is different for everybody else. most people try a few reviewers out and then stick to the ones they align with the best.

Not really

again, I don't do this, "let me find a little bit of me in every thing I consume" thing we say all "minorities" do

No, tell me was The Irishmen was a good movie, I dont GAF about your views on the Mob or how America loves Gangster movies

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

This your either with us or with them mindset some of yall have in this thread is fukking asinine...

Just because TS calling out the leftist media flagrant bullshyt doesn't mean he likes alt-right CACs...

The "go woke go broke" shyt is a reactionary symptom of a larger problem created by the leftist MSM and their social engineering agenda...

Believe it or not, there is a center here, its not just alt-right CACs who are annoyed by the social engineering agenda, everyone to the right of the far left is...

 

[NZA]

Not really

again, I don't do this, "let me find a little bit of me in every thing I consume" thing we say all "minorities" do

No, tell me was The Irishmen was a good movie, I dont GAF about your views on the Mob or how America loves Gangster movies

good movie is always subjective, and the rational may not be what you like

 

[bnew]

Started noticing it awhile ago, everything's political nowadays and the Internet lets everyone make a statement on it.

examples of non-political content?

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

there is nothing leftist about MSM in the slightest, basic social cues and surface level acceptance is what it has always done.

This your either with us or with them mindset some of yall have in this thread is fukking asinine...

Just because TS calling out the leftist media flagrant bullshyt doesn't mean he likes alt-right CACs...

The "go woke go broke" shyt is a reactionary symptom of a larger problem created by the leftist MSM and their social engineering agenda...

Believe it or not, there is a center here, its not just alt-right CACs who are annoyed by the social engineering agenda, everyone to the right of the far left is...

 

[Real]

nikkas bytchin about nikkas bytchin

 

[Tasha And]

I don't agree.



Nothing is completely objective. But, gaming/movie reviews aren't platforms to forward your observations on society.

They absolutely can be. Movies and games are art. Digesting and or analyzing them is also an art. There is no scientific formula to get at why it works or doesn't work, there is no one size fits all approach to discussing them, and they don't exist in a vacuum where looking at them without a cultural lens is some kind of virtue. Film and game criticism is a conversation, and there are many different kinds of conversations one can have about them.

This isn't new either. Describing Star Wars as tripe for man babies, for example, isn't some shyt that came from Tumblr during the culture wars, it was an observation from Stanley Kauffmann in the 70's.

When critics talked about 2001: A Space Odyssey, they didn't just go through a checklist of "good effects, good acting, good music" or whatever and rate it without regard for how the film fit in with their thoughts on society. They examined the film through the cultural lens of the 60's and made observations on society at the present and where they saw it heading. Roger Ebert was perhaps the most famous and one of the most respected reviewers, and he would often interject personal stories and comment on society in his reviews and relate those thoughts back to the film in ways he saw as relevant.

Treating films/games as consumer objects that need to be reviewed like a vacuum cleaner, or something, does more to devalue it as art than the clickbait goofy critiques that aren't well written or thought out. Sure, the latter can be annoying, but that doesn't mean throwing the baby out with the bathwater and thinking it's better to try and divorce art from the culture they are created in. If you boil away a film down to images and sounds, you lose what actually makes them interesting to talk about.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Because wokeness has basically become a religion.

Literally every group in America thinks PC culture is annoying.

 

[MartyMcFly]

They absolutely can be. Movies and games are art. Digesting and or analyzing them is also an art. There is no scientific formula to get at why it works or doesn't work, there is no one size fits all approach to discussing them, and they don't exist in a vacuum where looking at them without a cultural lens is some kind of virtue. Film and game criticism is a conversation, and there are many different kinds of conversations one can have about them.

This isn't new either. Describing Star Wars as tripe for man babies, for example, isn't some shyt that came from Tumblr during the culture wars, it was an observation from Stanley Kauffmann in the 70's.

When critics talked about 2001: A Space Odyssey, they didn't just go through a checklist of "good effects, good acting, good music" or whatever and rate it without regard for how the film fit in with their thoughts on society. They examined the film through the cultural lens of the 60's and made observations on society at the present and where they saw it heading. Roger Ebert was perhaps the most famous and one of the most respected reviewers, and he would often interject personal stories and comment on society in his reviews and relate those thoughts back to the film in ways he saw as relevant.

Treating films/games as consumer objects that need to be reviewed like a vacuum cleaner, or something, does more to devalue it as art than the clickbait goofy critiques that aren't well written or thought out. Sure, the latter can be annoying, but that doesn't mean throwing the baby out with the bathwater and thinking it's better to try and divorce art from the culture they are created in. If you boil away a film down to images and sounds, you lose what actually makes them interesting to talk about.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

The other reason is just straight up money. The vast majority of these hyper woke projects fail and the loud minority that likes that content just gets mad. They blame their shytty content on all the isms and phobes possible.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Remember, my root issue here is not "having known characters be played by Black actors is the way forward." My root issue is that people who COMPLAIN about known characters being played by Black actors are a bunch of bytches. When conservative media attacks that, tries to oppose it, launches boycotts based around it, they should be called out and mocked. That is the issue.

In terms of what the Black community does to increase representation going forward, that can always be multifaceted. Different approaches work best in different situations and for different audiences. We shouldn't keep any of them off the table.

That's a great point and I'm not missing that.

My problem is how it is received by black audiences. It would be one thing if we received it with the caveat of "this is cool, now, but, we not tryna have every black character be the black version of a white character."

And I'm obviously not opposed to something like Chiraq being based on Greek tragedy.

I'm moreso taking the on the nose shyt "This is Commissioner Gordon...but black" as if it would be such a stretch to just make a new Commissioner Johnson and making him someone who served under Gordon.

IMO, it signals a new way forward of not really making black character apart of the lore.

Don't make The Little Mermaid, Ariel, make her another mermaid from that world.

I'm just saying both of those options should be in play. You can make a new character or you can put a new spin on an existing character. They both can work.

Yes, a rule white women came up with based on their personal feelings towards what constituents importance in the piece of art. Don't get me started on white women being dishonest about their actual place in society and the white power structure. There are plenty of ways to measure good female characters other than "do they talk about men too much?" I'm sorry, I think that test is BS.

What's with all the random shyt? You the one who brought up female representation, not me. The rule is a great one for representation no matter who comes up with it. If a woman appears in a movie ONLY to further the narrative of the male characters, then it's not meaningful representation. It's not dissimilar from the Magic Negro trope where the random Black guy is solely used to get the White hero to where he gotta be. Pointing out that the woman's literal sole role in a movie was to talk to or about the male heroes is a good sign that it's not a meaningfully representative role.

I'm a strong agnostic on female representation in superhero movies. I don't put up a fight to increase it and I don't go out of my way to watch it (still haven't seen Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel TBH)but I think it's mostly a bunch of incels who bytch about it when folk do increase it. I'm not saying there "has" to be female representation in superhero movies. But when critics say that Marvel wasn't putting women in the center of their stories...they were factually right.

I'm sorry, I do not see the value in "diversity"--at least in the way the conversation is had amongst the circle who typically makes it paramount.

So, I can't enjoy a movie because it's got mostly white leads...but, my argument is for more black leads in movies that are primarily watched by white people?

We want white people to want less of something that we want more of? It's such a circular argument.

This "own movie" stuff is pretty rudimentary thinking in way we try to have these convos about society.

The problem isn't lack of black men at the absolute top, it's that we can't even get in at fry cook, to work our way up to owner of the store.

You only have importance if your the lead? That is something you have to teach kids about and learn them out of. I don't agree with the "lead" argument.

"The internet" was trying to make the argument that the Marvel movies were sexist and racist before Captain Marvel and Black Panther came out.

Hell, T'Challa was a much better written character in a movie (Civil War) he played like eight lead in rather his "own movie."

Back to the OP; my overall problem is, we're never gonna agree on this, but, to hell with this idea with skipping the real world work of improving the lives of black people, "let's put them in movies."

Disclaimer: With this new crop of Marvel and DC movies, I hope they do with unpopular and unknown black characters just like they did Ant-Man and Carol Danver

They really tried to tell us she was one of the most popular Marvel characters--as if her being a blonde, white , female, Superman wasn't why they put her on film.

1. I think Black representation to White audiences IS important. Claiming racism ain't gonna go away is defeatist. I want Black characters for Black audiences AND Black characters for White audiences. I want White writers and directors to have to work to emphasize with their Black characters AND I want Black writers and directors to get the chance to tell the stories they want to tell. Each of those different options has a different purpose. Just having Black actors appear in movies targeted at the Black community isn't enough.

2. Of course that ain't the center of the struggle. Just a peripheral aspect. Which is why I don't spend that much time in the film room.

 

[Easy-E]

1. I think Black representation to White audiences IS important. Claiming racism ain't gonna go away is defeatist. I want Black characters for Black audiences AND Black characters for White audiences. I want White writers and directors to have to work to emphasize with their Black characters AND I want Black writers and directors to get the chance to tell the stories they want to tell. Each of those different options has a different purpose. Just having Black actors appear in movies targeted at the Black community isn't enough.

a person who surrenders easily or is subject to defeatism.

We've been trying and it's costing us our lives.

I look at my Grandmother and how we made fun of her because she only watch movies with only black people.

She was copping with years of being tortured by white people.

Entertainment reflects society way more than it "changes" it. The "need" for "black representation" is taking advantage of scores of black people like her.

All that aside we're having a way more constructive and nuanced argument than the sources I'm complaining about in the OP.

 

[Crayola Coyote]

this SJW stuff is getting outta hand. Nothing but complaining

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

It’s really WHAT they choose to focus on that makes them intolerable at times. Like, trying to find an oppressed party in EVERY situation agitates where there might not have been a problem.

I think that happens with zealots though, they have a hard time seeing another idea when they approach and address themes like that daily.

 

[Easy-E]

Here we go again.

‘Assassin’s Creed Ragnarok’ Should Finally Commit To A Singular Female Lead

And i played 117 hours as Cass smh