Why does liberal entertainment media got to be so insufferable?

[NZA]

What's the point of this post?

I wanna heard about entertainment and this the type of shyt you have to snift thru.

This "it's your fault" shyt is the reason we're at the point we're at, now.

It's a thread, not outrage.

type "go woke go broke" and you will probably find a treasure trove of content aimed right at your sensibilities. it's really not hard; youtube is practically pushing reactionary white male channels for every genre show or movie right now

 

[Easy-E]

type "go woke go broke" and you will probably find a treasure trove of content aimed right at your sensibilities. it's really not hard; youtube is practically pushing reactionary white male channels for every genre show or movie right now

so didn't even read the OP

That's the shyt I'm trying to avoid, you troll!

 

[NZA]

so didn't even read the OP

That's the shyt I'm trying to avoid, you troll!

lol, you got me there. i have been swatting so many flies on all the other sites im on that i have been on autopilot the last couple years. sorry bout that

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It's why the Right eating them alive. Nothing but bytches

That don't make no sense. First off, right media does the same shyt 10x worse - look at how they go apeshyt if you talk about a Black James Bond or a Black Spiderman or put any gay character in any scene in a movie, ever. Or anything they have to say about women in almost any film. Constant complaining about films with any liberal themes and always bytching about how christians are portrayed or if any movie doesn't give the colonizer-approved version of historical events.

Second off, who da fukk is getting "eaten alive"?

 

[Rell Lauren]

You can just not read their shytty takes

Depending on sites you came up reading, it's hard not to. IGN bring one of them where social commentary is sifting into each piece of content they put out.

 

[Easy-E]

lol, you got me there. i have been swatting so many flies on all the other sites im on that i have been on autopilot the last couple years. sorry bout that

We can disagree, but, don't come at me passive aggressively.

I can take "liberal" or "conservative" people as long as they are objective.

Talking about your politics on "masculinity" in a video game review;

God of War Review: Repeats Too Many of the Series’ Misogynistic Errors

And the father-son dynamic of Kratos and Atreus is charming as all hell — until you look below the surface. Because, at the end of the day, Kratos is a bad father. His parenting tactics include shouting, belittling his son, ignoring his son’s emotions, and throwing him into dangerous situations with only a token thought to Atreus’s safety.

It’s that seedy, unpleasant underbelly that really epitomizes all of my issues with God of War. The game hinges on the strength of your emotional attachment to Kratos and Atreus’s relationship, but from every hint in the game – they don’t have much of one at all. Kratos seems, from Atreus’s entries in the Bestiary, to be a distant figure in his son’s life. Something of legend and little else. And Kratos himself, being an unmoving block of Spartan stoicism, can only express emotion for his son when Atreus’s life is in danger. Kratos spends the whole game calling Atreus “boy” rather than a name, with a few “son”s thrown in. And when Atreus takes his first human life relatively early in the game, Kratos is pretty damn useless for a guy who has spent decades killing other people.

Kratos himself epitomizes the biggest weaknesses the game has. His design is outdated and cartoonish, even with attempts to modernize it. His character is the same pile of hypermasculine bullshyt it’s always been, advising his son to simply ignore the guilt he feels at killing another living person. He’s uncompromising, excessively violent, emotionless to a fault, and a proper caricature of a masculine ideals. Even with this new “melancholic” take on the character, he still resorts to anger and violence to solve his problems. As always. Same old Kratos. He hasn’t changed at all, and his wooden facial animations certainly don’t help.

I can listen to an argument about what Kratos means to the modern man. But, within the actual game world, this is bullshyt hot take to get "points" on the internet.

And I'm as critical of the "woman in the refrigerator" plot devices in comics, tv and movies as anyone.

Liberals can't duck critique when they are just as bad as conservatives--A conservative version of this would being made not enough things about Abramhamic religions are praised in the series.

 

[Easy-E]

That don't make no sense. First off, right media does the same shyt 10x worse - look at how they go apeshyt if you talk about a Black James Bond or a Black Spiderman or put any gay character in any scene in a movie, ever. Or anything they have to say about women in almost any film. Constant complaining about films with any liberal themes and always bytching about how christians are portrayed or if any movie doesn't give the colonizer-approved version of historical events.

Second off, who da fukk is getting "eaten alive"?

I'm as pro-black as anyone and I think that shyt is 10/10 corny.

And it's done for "mainstream" appeal and to get in the news.

I'm not cool with Commissioner Gordon being black in the new Batman movie for practical reasons.

I'd rather a new black character, that makes sense as the new Commissioner of Gotham.

I notice NOBODY talked about Princess Tiana when they announced a black Little Mermaid.

The original Princess & The Frog came out in 2009. What's taking a sequel so long?



The legacy of the character is still white and most of time you don't get that lucky Miles Morales love.

RiRi Williams is a corny, cheap "black outreach" character (name her after Rihanna and make her a Chicagoan who's friend is murdered at a BBQ in the first issue).

My point, there's more to the convo than "go woke and go broke."

Black people in positions of power in these studios >>>> Black characters

With women issues, I'll give you that. These dude must have a "p*ssy allergy."

But, it's corny how people acted like Marvel got diverse AFTER Captain Marvel as if Nebula, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Gamora, etc. didn't exist.

 

[NZA]

We can disagree, but, don't come at me passive aggressively.

I can take "liberal" or "conservative" people as long as they are objective.

Talking about your politics on "masculinity" in a video game review;

God of War Review: Repeats Too Many of the Series’ Misogynistic Errors



I can listen to an argument about what Kratos means to the modern man. But, within the actual game world, this is bullshyt hot take to get "points" on the internet.

And I'm as critical of the "woman in the refrigerator" plot devices in comics, tv and movies as anyone.

Liberals can't duck critique when they are just as bad as conservatives--A conservative version of this would being made not enough things about Abramhamic religions are praised in the series.

no such thing as an objective review of a piece of entertainment. even not talking about an aspect of a story is a subjective choice.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'm as pro-black as anyone and I think that shyt is 10/10 corny.

Think about what you're insisting on though. Hollywood is so risk-adverse and bottom-line focused nowadays that 90% of films with any budget at all are either:

* Remakes of a previous movie (damn near all of which had White characters)
* Sequels of a previous movie (damn near all of which had White characters)
* Comic book adaptations (damn near all of which had White characters)
* Sci fi or fantasy adaptations (damn near all of which had White characters)
* Drawn from somewhere in Western literature - Victorian novels, Shakespeare, Greek tragedy, etc (damn near all of which had White characters

All the derivative shyt is stuff that started out white. You're saying that zero derivative shyt can be reinterpreted with Black characters, that only original Black characters should be used. I get your reasons for saying that, but the way Hollywood works you're automatically making 90% of film material off-limits to Black actors and on-screen Black representation, because going original every time is NOT where the funding will go.

With women issues, I'll give you that. These dude must have a "p*ssy allergy."

But, it's corny how people acted like Marvel got diverse AFTER Captain Marvel as if Nebula, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Gamora, etc. didn't exist.

None of those other names had their own movie, they're all sidekicks to the male characters with the starring roles. Ironman-Captain America-Hulk-Thor were the center of the universe, then Star-Lord, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Spiderman, Black Panther got their flicks. Captain Marvel was the first female lead in a film. I think even the lead villain was male in every one as well until Thor:Ragnarok.

You ever heard of the Bechdel test? "Does the movie at any point have two women who talk to each other about something other than a man?" Do you realize how rarely that test is fulfilled anywhere in the entire Marvel Universe? Diversity still pretty thin on that front.

 

[Easy-E]

no such thing as an objective review of a piece of entertainment. even not talking about an aspect of a story is a subjective choice.

I don't agree.



Nothing is completely objective. But, gaming/movie reviews aren't platforms to forward your observations on society.

 

[NZA]

I don't agree.



Nothing is completely objective. But, gaming/movie reviews aren't platforms to forward your observations on society.

all reviews of narrative go into personal belief. you may or may not like them, but they all do it to some degree. the difference may be that you view your opinion as default, and all differing POVs are something extra

 

[NinoBrown]

LGBTQ are deranged and mentally unstable folks, that is why they are insufferable...

 

[Easy-E]

Think about what you're insisting on though. Hollywood is so risk-adverse and bottom-line focused nowadays that 90% of films with any budget at all are either:

That's a great point and I'm not missing that.

My problem is how it is received by black audiences. It would be one thing if we received it with the caveat of "this is cool, now, but, we not tryna have every black character be the black version of a white character."

And I'm obviously not opposed to something like Chiraq being based on Greek tragedy.

I'm moreso taking the on the nose shyt "This is Commissioner Gordon...but black" as if it would be such a stretch to just make a new Commissioner Johnson and making him someone who served under Gordon.

IMO, it signals a new way forward of not really making black character apart of the lore.

Don't make The Little Mermaid, Ariel, make her another mermaid from that world.

I get your reasons for saying that, but the way Hollywood works you're automatically making 90% of film material off-limits to Black actors and on-screen Black representation, because going original every time is NOT where the funding will go.

That's alarmist.

The reason I'm not holding my breath for African mythology movies is because even black people lack a grasp of it.

Economics aside, Hollywood is not doing a good job with black characters. What works for white women and LGTB doesn't work for us.

This is the Ronney Rule of movies. "Black representation" and two dollars can't get me a gallon of gas.

I don't worship at the alter of "Black faces on movies/TV + mass audiences seeing them = better outcomes in life for black people."

Hell, I'm apart of group of people who wouldn't mind seeing a black director/writing staff writing shyt about Queen Elizabeth or a reboot of Golden Girls (still with white women).

I'm basically directing my eyes to where the power is. Movie audiences will always be majority white. We're wasting time trying to force our way in their eye sight.

Racism is not going away.

None of those other names had their own movie, they're all sidekicks to the male characters with the starring roles. Ironman-Captain America-Hulk-Thor were the center of the universe, then Star-Lord, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Spiderman, Black Panther got their flicks. Captain Marvel was the first female lead in a film. I think even the lead villain was male in every one as well until Thor:Ragnarok.

You ever heard of the Bechdel test? "Does the movie at any point have two women who talk to each other about something other than a man?" Do you realize how rarely that test is fulfilled anywhere in the entire Marvel Universe? Diversity still pretty thin on that front.

Yes, a rule white women came up with based on their personal feelings towards what constituents importance in the piece of art. Don't get me started on white women being dishonest about their actual place in society and the white power structure. There are plenty of ways to measure good female characters other than "do they talk about men too much?" I'm sorry, I think that test is BS.

I'm sorry, I do not see the value in "diversity"--at least in the way the conversation is had amongst the circle who typically makes it paramount.

So, I can't enjoy a movie because it's got mostly white leads...but, my argument is for more black leads in movies that are primarily watched by white people?

We want white people to want less of something that we want more of? It's such a circular argument.

This "own movie" stuff is pretty rudimentary thinking in way we try to have these convos about society.

The problem isn't lack of black men at the absolute top, it's that we can't even get in at fry cook, to work our way up to owner of the store.

You only have importance if your the lead? That is something you have to teach kids about and learn them out of. I don't agree with the "lead" argument.

"The internet" was trying to make the argument that the Marvel movies were sexist and racist before Captain Marvel and Black Panther came out.

Hell, T'Challa was a much better written character in a movie (Civil War) he played like eight lead in rather his "own movie."

Back to the OP; my overall problem is, we're never gonna agree on this, but, to hell with this idea with skipping the real world work of improving the lives of black people, "let's put them in movies."

Disclaimer: With this new crop of Marvel and DC movies, I hope they do with unpopular and unknown black characters just like they did Ant-Man and Carol Danver

They really tried to tell us she was one of the most popular Marvel characters--as if her being a blonde, white , female, Superman wasn't why they put her on film.

 

[Easy-E]

all reviews of narrative go into personal belief. you may or may not like them, but they all do it to some degree. the difference may be that you view your opinion as default, and all differing POVs are something extra

Breh, I watch and read plenty of objective (for the most part) reviews.

For example;

'Superfly Remake is a bad movie because black people shouldn't make movies were the criminal is glorified.'



Meanwhile;

Nothing wrong with making crime movies

You can have your personal bias on the script, how the movie was shot, the casting, the way it was promoted, etc,

Again, that's not always objective, those would be your personal beliefs.

But, we're arguing degrees, breh. There is a line.

 

[NZA]

Breh, I watch and read plenty of objective (for the most part) reviews.

For example;

'Superfly Remake is a bad movie because black people shouldn't make movies were the criminal is glorified.'



Meanwhile;

Nothing wrong with making crime movies

You can have your personal bias on the script, how the movie was shot, the casting, the way it was promoted, etc,

Again, that's not always objective, those would be your personal beliefs.

But, we're arguing degrees, breh. There is a line.

that line is personal for you, breh. that line is different for everybody else. most people try a few reviewers out and then stick to the ones they align with the best.