why do we always say that we were slaves for 400 years?

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

Because that's not what freedom means, freedom doesn't mean everything will be allright, freedom means you wake up in the morning and do whatever you want, and the reality is that most black people wake up and do whatever they want

If black people wake up and are not organizing and are engaging in illegal activities then that's on us, it doesn't mean we aren't free tho

I think you've included a definition of freedom that is relatively fair and reasonable. You state it too broadly (because surely no one can do everything they want), but I think I get the gist of how you are defining the term.

And I agree that blacks, like other races, are free to some significant degree. I guess I just disagree with the extent to which you think we are actually free--particularly within our political and economic system.

You seem fairly dismissive of the disproportionate overrepsentation of blacks in the prison system. It seems that you attribute this phenomenon to some predisposition on the part of blacks to engage in crime, instead of also exploring why the system seems to be predisposed to criminalizing and imprisoning blacks.

I think you have to at least explore the question of why blacks engage in activity that has been deemed illegal--perhaps poverty "forces" some people to sell drugs. You have to at least consider how this could be the case and why conditions are the way they are.

I'm not advocating that blacks have no responsibility or accountability. I'm merely suggesting that there are systemic, institutional, and societal forces that have and continue to limit our "freedom" in significant ways. And we shouldn't be blind to this.

 

[@ReallyReal]

The Jeru is flames.......i was really feeling Common - The Corner..... but i see where he got it from......

 

[Real N Quotes]

slavery didn't end until 1964 so we have had 48 years of freedom

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Question, who sold the African's into slavery to the West?

I really want to know and was thinking about this the other day, and why don't they ever seem to catch any flack? Were they slaves in Africa before getting shipped to America.

Enlighten me people.

 

[The Real]

Question, who sold the African's into slavery to the West?

I really want to know and was thinking about this the other day, and why don't they ever seem to catch any flack? Were they slaves in Africa before getting shipped to America.

Enlighten me people.

You still on this white apologetics shyt after all these years?

 

[NYC Rebel]

Question, who sold the African's into slavery to the West?

I really want to know and was thinking about this the other day, and why don't they ever seem to catch any flack? Were they slaves in Africa before getting shipped to America.

Enlighten me people.

This dude is a clown.

No...you're not going to get the "Africans sold slaves to slavery" answer you know you're looking for.

 

[rapbeats]

Brother, be careful, you might accidentally educate some people around here.

As far as the topic goes, slavery in the Americas ran pretty strong from 1500-1900.

Modern times
The Arab or Middle Eastern slave trade continued into the early 20th century.[48] Slavery in Morocco was outlawed in the 1930s.[49] In the 1950s, Saudi Arabia had an estimated 450,000 slaves, 20% of the population.[50][51]

North Africa
Algeria, Nigeria and Sudan in era of the Mumluk of Egypt (1500 to 1950), were major places of Islamic Slavery. The defeat of Islam in Africa by the Army of Sokoto, Kanem, and Somghay pricipatated the collapse of Ummuyad expansion from Egypt and Spain. Algeria was defeaead earloer by the Islamic Army. The subsiquent loss of the Islamic Army to Nigeria, and Sudan resulted in Islamic Slavery in Africa.

Most Islamic capatives were expelled to Spain. Others bacame slave trade human loss, and were sold in the slave markets in Abeche in central Sudan and in the Coastal Ghana to slave merchants and Negro holding centers. The negro slave holding centers supplied the slave ships of the Atlantic from Ghana and Congo to West Indies Islands. Topical issues are:

Islamic Slavery
Spain
West Indies
Slave Trade (Arab, Congo)

Map of slave trade routes from 1650 to 1860

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For over one thousand years, Iraqis of African descent have resided in Iraq, some arriving as sailors, the rest arriving to be enslaved as a consequence of the less known or spoken of Arab Slave Trade. It is estimated the Arab Slave Trade transplanted some 10 million African people.

Collectively, the Arab Slave Trade, conducted along the east Coast of Africa and the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, conducted along the west coast of Africa, have come to be called the Maafa, also known as the African Holocaust, with estimates for the dispersal and displacement of African people during this approximately 800 year long period numbering from 40 to 100 million.

The Arab Slave Trade began during the 7th Century, approximately four hundred years before the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, with the Arab trade also extending into the 19th Century.

The first enslaved arrivals of the Arab Slave Trade were primarily African women from East Africa, brought to Iraq via a route through India, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, as well as traveling a route across the Sahara Desert to North Africa and the Mediterranean, to be purchased to work as slaves in Spain, Portugal and other European countries. Africans were purchased as domestic slaves, wet nurses and sex slaves.

Today, in modern day Iraq in Basra, a movement is on the rise to recognize the rights of some two million descendants of Africa and their desire for equal treatment on par with other citizens of Iraq.



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[5n0man]

Question, who sold the African's into slavery to the West?

I really want to know and was thinking about this the other day, and why don't they ever seem to catch any flack? Were they slaves in Africa before getting shipped to America.

Enlighten me people.

is that you jesse lee peterson?

 

[Type Username Here]

Question, who sold the African's into slavery to the West?

I really want to know and was thinking about this the other day, and why don't they ever seem to catch any flack? Were they slaves in Africa before getting shipped to America.

Enlighten me people.

Other Africans, Jews, Arabs, and Europeans.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

This dude is a clown.

No...you're not going to get the "Africans sold slaves to slavery" answer you know you're looking for.

Well there are white Africans, and didn't your sir take African studies in college or something to that degree.

I`m not even trying to start anything, i`m actually wondering who began slavery in Africa, was it like the Southern Africans who at this point in history are white?

 

[emoney]

Question, who sold the African's into slavery to the West?

I really want to know and was thinking about this the other day, and why don't they ever seem to catch any flack? Were they slaves in Africa before getting shipped to America.

Enlighten me people.

african kings and chiefs but also fellow tribesman for the most part

there is a myth that it was african tribes selling their rivals, most of the people sold into slavery were sold by members of their own tribes/ethnic groups.

 

[emoney]

Well there are white Africans, and didn't your sir take African studies in college or something to that degree.

I`m not even trying to start anything, i`m actually wondering who began slavery in Africa, was it like the Southern Africans who at this point in history are white?

Whites in South Africa have no relation to the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Do you know how far Southern Africa is from West Africa?

Whites in South Africa (British and Afrikaners[descendents of Dutch settlers]) oppressed and fought wars against groups like the Zulu and Xhosa (2 of the major indigenous Black South African ethnic groups)

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Whites in South Africa have no relation to the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Do you know how far Southern Africa is from West Africa?

Whites in South Africa (British and Afrikaners[descendents of Dutch settlers]) oppressed and fought wars against groups like the Zulu and Xhosa (2 of the major indigenous Black South African ethnic groups)

Nah I really didn't know, i`m not really well versed on African history.

I always wondered how the slave trade was initiated over there. Was it the West's idea and brought to African leaders or was it already taking place?

I`d love to see a documentary on it.

 

[theworldismine13]

I think you've included a definition of freedom that is relatively fair and reasonable. You state it too broadly (because surely no one can do everything they want), but I think I get the gist of how you are defining the term.

And I agree that blacks, like other races, are free to some significant degree. I guess I just disagree with the extent to which you think we are actually free--particularly within our political and economic system.

You seem fairly dismissive of the disproportionate overrepsentation of blacks in the prison system. It seems that you attribute this phenomenon to some predisposition on the part of blacks to engage in crime, instead of also exploring why the system seems to be predisposed to criminalizing and imprisoning blacks.

I think you have to at least explore the question of why blacks engage in activity that has been deemed illegal--perhaps poverty "forces" some people to sell drugs. You have to at least consider how this could be the case and why conditions are the way they are.

I'm not advocating that blacks have no responsibility or accountability. I'm merely suggesting that there are systemic, institutional, and societal forces that have and continue to limit our "freedom" in significant ways. And we shouldn't be blind to this.

your use of "slavery" isnt any different than a conservative equating the IRS or the EPA to slavery, its just a rhetorical flourish but its not reality, the prison problem is more of a social problem, it's not slavery

if a person has a problem with the prison industrial complex or the EPA they can simply move out the country or they can organize to make a change in the laws, the fact that they have those options is why it isnt slavery

a slave cannot leave the country and they cannot make any changes

as far as the the number of blacks in prison, i dont think that's important because its only a symptom of a larger problem which is the lack of organization of the black community and an anti academic culture that permeates black culture

as far as projects, im 100% behind destroying all projects and limiting section 8, which i get backlash for

but at the end of the day its about personal responsibility and the prison industrial complex can only work with the acquiescence of the black community, the reason for the large number of blacks in prison is because of the large number of blacks people that willingly participate, out if ignorance, in the prison industrial complex, in other words the black community has acquiesced to the prison industrial complex

im all for fixing social problems but more important is fixing the ignorance and creating more organization in the black community