Why do some black people claim obviously mixed people as black?

[Sauanaffe Tustunnagee]

Refute it with evidence then.

the fact that no reputable source supports Miss Anne in that photo was his mother or mentions she was a predominately Anglo Cacson female whom could pass for pure Caucazoid speaks for itself

 

[IllmaticDelta]

the fact that no reputable source supports Miss Anne in that photo was his mother or mentions she was a predominately Anglo Cacson female whom could pass for pure Caucazoid speaks for itself

are you going to post any evidence to back this erroneous claim or expect me to take your word for it

1) again where are your sources?....

For starters


Free negro

Slavery was legal and practiced in each of the Thirteen Colonies at various times. Not all African Americans came to America as slaves; a few came even in the 17th century as free men, sailors working on ships. In the early colonial years, some Africans came as indentured servants, as did many of the immigrants from the British Isles. Such servants became free when they completed their term of indenture; they were also eligible for headrights for land in the new colony in the Chesapeake Bay region, where indentured servants were more common. As early as 1619, a class of free black people existed in North America.[1]

The free negro population increased in a number of ways:

1. children born to colored free women (cf. Partus sequitur ventrem)
2. mulatto children born to white indentured or free women
3. mixed-race children born to free Native American women (enslaving Native Americans was prohibited from the mid-18th century, but did continue until Emancipation)[2]
4. freed slaves
5. slaves who escaped

According to Paul Heinegg, most of the free black families established in the Thirteen Colonies before the American Revolution were descended from unions between white women, whether indentured servant or free, and African men, whether indentured servant, free, or slave. These relationships took place mostly among the working class, reflecting the more fluid societies of the time. Because the mixed-race children were born to free women, they were free. Through use of court documents, deeds, wills, and other records, he traced such families as the ancestors of nearly 80 percent of the free Negroes or free blacks recorded in the censuses of the Upper South from 1790–1810.[7]

In addition, slaveholders manumitted some slaves for various reasons: to reward long years of service, because heirs did not want to take on slaves, or to free slave concubines and/or their children. Slaves were sometimes allowed to buy their freedom; they might be permitted to save money from fees paid when they were "hired out" to work for other parties.[8] In the mid-to-late 18th century, Methodist and Baptist evangelists in the first Great Awakening encouraged slaveholders to free their slaves, in their belief that all men were equal before God. They converted many slaves to Christianity and approved black leaders as preachers; blacks developed their own strain of Christianity. Prior to the American Revolutionary War, few slaves were manumitted.

The lives of free blacks varied depending on their location within the United States. There was a significant free-black bias towards cities, as many rural free blacks migrated to cities over time, both in the North and the South. Cities were the chief destinations for migrating free blacks in the South, as cities gave free blacks a wider range of economic and social opportunities. Most southern cities had independently black-run churches as well as secret schools for educational advancement.[26] Northern cities also gave blacks better opportunities. For example, free Negroes who lived in Boston generally had more access to formal education.[27]

Before the American Revolution, there were very few free blacks in the Southern colonies.[28] The Lower South, except for its cities, did not attract many free blacks. The number of urban free Negroes grew faster than the total free black population, and this growth largely came from a mass migration of rural free Negroes moving to cities, such as Richmond and Petersburg of Virginia, Raleigh and Wilmington of North Carolina, Charleston of South Carolina, and Savannah (and later Atlanta) of Georgia.[29] The South overall developed two distinct groups of free Negroes; those in the Upper South were more numerous, but those free blacks in the Lower South were more urban, educated, wealthier, and were generally of mixed race with white fathers, compared to free blacks in the Upper South.[30] Despite these differences, the Southern states passed similar laws to regulate black life, borrowing from one another.[31][32]

Even with the presence of significant free black populations in the South, free blacks often migrated to northern states. While they presented some problems, overall free blacks found more opportunities in the North. During the nineteenth century, the number and proportion of population of free blacks in the South shrank as a significant portion of the free black population migrated northward.[33] Some of the more prominent and talented free black figures moved to the North for its opportunities, draining the south of potential free black leaders. Some returned after the Civil War to participate in the Reconstruction era, establishing businesses and being elected to political office.[33] This difference in the distribution of free blacks persisted until the Civil War, at which time about 250,000 free blacks lived in the South.[32]

 

[IllmaticDelta]

cont...



Partus sequitur ventrem

Partus sequitur ventrem, often abbreviated to partus, in the British North American colonies and later in the United States, was a legal doctrine which the English royal colonies incorporated in legislation related to definitions of slavery. It was derived from the Roman civil law; it held that the slave status of a child followed that of his or her mother. It was widely adopted into the laws of slavery in the colonies and the following United States. The Latin phrase literally means "that which is brought forth follows the womb."[1]

Mixed-race slaves
Intercourse between white male masters and their female slaves coupled with the partus law resulted in numerous slaves of mixed-race and primarily European ancestry, as European visitors noted in Virginia by the eighteenth century.[5] Such was the case in the household of Thomas Jefferson's Monticello. Among the more than 100 slaves his wife inherited after the death of her father John Wayles in 1773 were the eleven mixed-race members of the Hemings family: Betty Hemings was the daughter of an enslaved African woman and an English sea captain. Her six mixed-race children from a 12-year relationship with the widower Wayles were three-quarters white, and half-siblings to Jefferson's wife Martha Wayles.[6]

Most historians believe that the young widower Jefferson, still only in his 40s, repeated this pattern, taking his young mixed-race slave Sally Hemings as his concubine. Half-sister to his late wife, she was the youngest of Betty's children by Wayles. They were believed to have a 38-year, monogamous, stable relationship; and Jefferson fathered her six children, four of whom survived to adulthood.[6][7] With seven-eighths European ancestry, they were legally white under Virginia law of the time, although born into slavery. Three of the four entered white society as adults, and some of them and their descendants changed their names and disappeared into history.

Along the Gulf Coast in Latin colonies, there arose an elite class of free people of color, descendants originally of African women and European colonists, especially in New Orleans, Savannah and Charleston. Many of these Creoles of color became educated and owned property; some held slaves of their own.[8]

In the two decades after the Revolution, numerous slaveholders in the Upper South were moved by its ideals to free their slaves, so that the percentage of free blacks rose from less than one percent in 1780 to more than 10 percent by 1810. In Virginia 7.2 percent of the population were free blacks by 1810. In Delaware three-quarters of the blacks were free by 1810.[9] Soon the demand for slave labor increased as cotton cultivation expanded, and manumissions dropped markedly. Virginia and other state legislatures in the early nineteenth century made manumissions more difficult to obtain.

The author Mary Chesnut notably wrote of her South Carolina society at the time of the Civil War,

"This only I see: like the patriarchs of old our men live all in one house with their wives and their concubines, the Mulattoes one sees in every family exactly resemble the white children—every lady tells you who is the father of all the Mulatto children in every body's household, but those in her own, she seems to think drop from the clouds or pretends so to think..."[10]

Fanny Kemble, an English actress married to an American planter in the antebellum era, wrote about the disgrace of elite white fathers abandoning their mixed-race children in her Journal of a Residence on a Georgia Plantation in 1838-1839.[11] She did not publish the book until 1863.

In the antebellum years, not all white fathers abandoned their children by slave or free black mistresses. Some lived in common-law relationships with slave women, protecting them and their children by manumission when possible, by passing on property to them, or by arranging apprenticeships or education for the children, and sometimes settlement in the North. Some wealthy planters paid to have their mixed-race children educated in the North, in colleges such as Oberlin, which was open to all races. For example, by 1860, most of the 200 subscription students at Wilberforce University in southern Ohio, established in 1855 by the Methodist and African Methodist Episcopal churches for the education of black youths, were mixed-race, "natural" sons, whose education was paid for by their wealthy Southern planter fathers.[12]

These were exceptions to the many mixed-race children who were abandoned. Educated free people of color often became leaders of the abolitionist movement, such as Robert Purvis in Philadelphia, and the brothers Charles Henry and John Mercer Langston, who continued their leadership in the post-Civil War years in Kansas and Virginia, respectively.

Free people of color

The term free people of color (French: gens de couleur libres), in the context of the history of slavery in the Americas, at first specifically referred to persons of mixed African and European descent who were not enslaved. The term was especially used in the French colonies, including La Louisiane and settlements on Caribbean islands, such as Saint-Domingue, Guadeloupe, and Martinique. Freed African slaves were included in the term affranchis, but historically they were considered as distinct from the free people of color. In these territories and major cities, particularly New Orleans, and those cities held by the Spanish, a substantial third class of primarily mixed-race, free people developed. These colonial societies classified mixed-race people in a variety of ways, generally related to visible features and to the proportion of African ancestry.[citation needed] Racial classifications were numerous in Latin America.

In the Thirteen Colonies settled by the British, and later in the United States, the term free negro was often used to cover the same class of people – those who were legally free and visibly of ethnic African descent. It included persons of mixed race as well as freed African slaves.

^^with all of that in mid, remember the earliest and more established Aframs were "free people" and with that, they were very often, admixed. These are the 3 main streams of the modern Afram

One thing people must remember is the full blown modern AfroAmerican identity came about due to the struggle and jim crow laws. Before that, you had people with regional flavors culturally and you had different classes of AfroAmericans or what came to be Black Americans.


Origins of African-American Ethnicity or African-American Ethnic Traits


The newly formed Black Yankee ethnicity of the early 1800s differed from today’s African-American ethnicity. Modern African-American ethnic traits come from a post-bellum blending of three cultural streams: the Black Yankee ethnicity of 1830, the slave traditions of the antebellum South, and the free Creole or Mulatto elite traditions of the lower South. Each of the three sources provided elements of the religious, linguistic, and folkloric traditions found in today’s African-American ethnicity.30


Essays on the U.S. Color Line » Blog Archive » The Color Line Created African-American Ethnicity in the North

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[Sauanaffe Tustunnagee]

For starters


Free negro

i asked for proof that all AAs historical figures were admixed as you implied and you post another essay on the Minortiy slave and free black population of the era that troglodyte snowflake wasn't any type of negro muchless Carter G Woodson's momma

 

[ISO]

Hard to say dudes like Klay Thompson and Logic are black

 

[ISO]

I don't consider Curry

Both of Curry's parents are AA though

 

[skeetsinternal]

Both of Curry's parents are AA though

I don't consider 1% milk to be milk either. His mother has hella white genes and watered down. I hope dat nikka Curry lurks the coli and reads this.

GO CAVS!!

 

[Misreeya]

or


For context


Nigeria

Mali

Ivory Coast

Gueniea

Ghana

Cameroon

Burkina Faso

Togo

Senegal

Angola

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Aframs

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I haven't even gotten into more obvious types yet

Not to get involved in this, but sometimes sport teams does not necessarily represent how a entire team look like. Here is a example in Sudan, and someone tried to use that on another thread here.

vs these videos.










Sports team don't always(but sometimes they do) reflect the entire population or how the entire population looks like especially in many countries in Africa.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

i asked for proof that all AAs historical figures were admixed as you implied and you post another

You can never say all because at some point early on Aframs were still "pure" Africans. Later they were, admixed, first generational and then multi generational.

essay on the Minortiy slave and free black population of the era

The essay was to give you historical context as to why the earliest prominent Aframs were often admixed and that had a direct correlation with free blacks/free people of color

that troglodyte snowflake wasn't any type of negro muchless Carter G Woodson's

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Not to get involved in this, but sometimes sport teams does not necessarily represent how a entire team look like. Here is a example in Sudan, and someone tried to use that on another thread here.

vs these videos.

True in many cases but not in this one (Aframs vs West and West central Africans) because a place like Sudan has a clear and distinct divide when it comes to phenotypes depending on geographic location of origin. With Aframs and the soccer teams I posted, the West/West Central Africans are exactly the types and ethnicities that were sent to the Americas in large numbers.

Sports team don't always(but sometimes they do) reflect the entire population or how the entire population looks like especially in many countries in Africa.

see above

 

[Sauanaffe Tustunnagee]

You can never say all because at some point early on Aframs were still "pure" Africans. Later they were, admixed, first generational and then multi generational.


The essay was to give you historical context as to why the earliest prominent Aframs were often admixed and that had a direct correlation with free blacks/free people of color

so you have no concrete proof and still spouting baseless speculation as fact

 

[IllmaticDelta]

so you have no concrete proof and still spouting baseless speculation as fact

Go read. I wasn't going to post it because it's only backing what I've saying the whole time that admx is already part of the Afram reality.

The Mulatto in the United States

...........like I said, it's not really worth debating because basically you're going to find biracials and white people in all Aframs backgrounds outside of maybe some Gullah/Geechee Aframs.

 

[Poitier]

Is this another thread where idiots argue that AAs look identical to nikkas who live in the Congo forest and that multiracials are whats keeping Blacks down

 

[Sauanaffe Tustunnagee]

Go read. I wasn't going to post it because it's only backing what I've saying the whole time that admx is already part of the Afram reality.

The Mulatto in the United States

...........like I said, it's not really worth debating because basically you're going to find biracials and white people in all Aframs backgrounds outside of maybe some Gullah/Geechee Aframs.

Go read. I wasn't going to post it because it's only backing what I've saying the whole time that admx is already part of the Afram reality.

The Mulatto in the United States

...........like I said, it's not really worth debating because basically you're going to find biracials and white people in all Aframs backgrounds outside of maybe some Gullah/Geechee Aframs.

what does that long ass definition and history lessons on the Amerikkkan mutts supposed to prove it aint that serious pinky....i'm sure everyone is well aware of American mulatto but let's not exaggerate their importance or impact in the greater AA population....biracials are minority fraction of the AA ethnic group and have always been so....the vast majority of AAs are not biracial and can only account for black acnestry

 

[Sauanaffe Tustunnagee]

Is this another thread where idiots argue that AAs look identical to nikkas who live in the Congo forest and that multiracials are whats keeping Blacks down

no this is the thread where non AA foreigners and saltine-n-zebra trolls (pretending to be black) argue Wendsworth Miller and Jennifer Beals are your average black Americans, all AAs are mulattos whom can no longer pass for black/African,and there was no such thing as lightskin blackfolk until massah started raping AA slaves