WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder (33-0, 32KOs) is still very much a work in progress, says his co-manager Shelly Finkel. After last Saturday's world title win over Bermane Stiverne, the hype began growing for a fight between Wilder and WBO/WBA/IBO/IBF champion Wladimir Klitschko.
Finkel, who manages Wilder with Al Haymon and Jay Deas, also works closely with Klitschko.
He says there is no need to rush Wilder into big fights against the best of the division; that despite a world title he still needs time to grow and groom his skills.
“Look, (Wilder) is a baby winning the title. It was his first title fight, they'll be a time for unification, they'll be a time for all those things, he could go and Povetkin (the No. 2 contender) in Russia and make $10 million,” Finkel said to the Tuscaloosa News. “It's not the right thing yet. Give him a couple of fights, maybe bring something back to Alabama. Let him develop just like any other athlete. They don't take someone who is a great college prospect and throw him right in. And this kid is a great prospect.”
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Dude was 33 fights in a champ and still being called a baby
and his fans hate on AJ who fought 10 times tougher competition in half the fights and stepped and unified before Wilder who has been champion longer
Why do people pretend like Deontay Wilder didn't duck Wlad and was protected and moved along slowly
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Black_Jesus
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you do realize that was Wlad's manager you quoted right??
The Wlad ducking was really shameful, they had many opportunities to do that fight and didn't. I think it's delusion, I got a call from a friend yesterday who asked me a similar question. I think it's stans being stans, they trying to make Wilder into a superhero they can suck off and into something he's not. Some invincible type dude when he's not at all. He's like Batman if he ducked the Joker and instead goes and knocks out some random corner store thief lol.
I always say the truth but people can't take it, Wilder has great power and he's a threat vs anybody, he's not bad at all, but he's not invincible, clearly since most would say he lost to Fury and the judges robbed him. But not only that he got knocked down by Sconiers and Nichols, 27 losses and 13 losses, It's the hypocrisy which is the worst.
How can you have 33 fights and be called a baby? AJ was a unified champion in 19, and got even more belts in 21.
They all just need to fight, but Wilder has spent his whole career ducking, avoiding and cherrypicking to create this false rep. I find it embarrassing because it's so see through (apart from to idiots), it doesn't mean he can't be great, but it just means so far he's not proven it. All these questions could have been answered a long time ago if Wilder had accepted the huge offers and fights. He keeps avoiding punchers, he's on record saying he's scared to be knocked out, that isn't a good mentality for a boxer, you should go in and fight, it can happen to anybody, the shame isn't in losing but not even trying...
I always say the truth but people can't take it, Wilder has great power and he's a threat vs anybody, he's not bad at all, but he's not invincible, clearly since most would say he lost to Fury and the judges robbed him. But not only that he got knocked down by Sconiers and Nichols, 27 losses and 13 losses, It's the hypocrisy which is the worst.
How can you have 33 fights and be called a baby? AJ was a unified champion in 19, and got even more belts in 21.
They all just need to fight, but Wilder has spent his whole career ducking, avoiding and cherrypicking to create this false rep. I find it embarrassing because it's so see through (apart from to idiots), it doesn't mean he can't be great, but it just means so far he's not proven it. All these questions could have been answered a long time ago if Wilder had accepted the huge offers and fights. He keeps avoiding punchers, he's on record saying he's scared to be knocked out, that isn't a good mentality for a boxer, you should go in and fight, it can happen to anybody, the shame isn't in losing but not even trying...
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desjardins
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>Finkel, who manages Wilder with Al Haymon and Jay Deas, also works closely with Klitschko.
Not sure what "works closely with Klitschko" means cause iirc the Klits managed and promoted themselves but it seems like that's one of Wilder managers juelzing (why would wilder need 3 managers!?!?)
Wilder's early rep was that he was being carefully managed and maybe even "protected". It makes sense in a way since he started boxing late, but to say he needs baby steps after getting a belt and beating one of the top HW contenders at the time is kind of shameful. His image/rep the last couple years really has flipped to now him being a boogeyman certain ppl are ducking instead of vice versa.
Yeah, everybody has easy fights at the beginning, that's understandable, can give him a pass up to a certain point, but like you said it's shameful the ducking they've done. Saying somebody is a "baby" after being like 30 odd and after 33 fights is ridiculous and shameful, the excuse not to fight the best is cause he's a 30 year old "baby" with 33 fights? That's laughable. What you posted clearly shows what the approach was and always has been.
His record since he won the belt is embarrassing too..
Molina
Duphaupas
Szpilka
Arreola
Washinton
Stiverne (again lol)
Ortiz
Fury (who was out of shape with mental health problems and he still should have lost)
Ortiz (again who he's already knocked out)
That is completely embarrassing and record padding, no wonder why he wasn't a true star, he grew a lot from the Fury fight because it gained him more publicity, but he's taken the safe and easy and cowardly route. Every single 1 of those fights was a cherry pick, Ortiz the first time is the only decent win, and even then you're fighting a much older man who's never beaten anybody elite himself who had blood pressure issues and had medical issues just prior to the fight also. Ortiz is said to be MUCH older than said also by people within boxing.
Black_Jesus
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Shelly Finkel was Wladamir Klitchkos manager at the time
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desjardins
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I think his overall resume is trash compared to Joshua but I give him full credit for the first Ortiz fight and Fury
I think Ortiz was being ducked when Wilder first fought him. Remember Ortiz was knocking ppl out bad and looked scary doing it, plus it was no real upside to fighting him for most boxers (financially or credit wise). We saw why since Wilder lost damn near every round against Ortiz except for rounds he got knockdowns in over the course of two fights.
Plus remember Wilder was going fight Poveltkin who was also kind of ducked back then. The Fury fight was probably strategic but you still have to give him credit for it I guess
Brace yourself.......but i think Wilder resume is better than Joshua resume since 2018
We'll see what happens after Fury cause i'm not sure who Wilder fights besides Fury going forward really, maybe PBC will feed him Ruiz or that shytty Nigerian who fought last night
Black_Jesus
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Someone explain how one can somehow duck somebody who never made a single attempt to fight him.. If we keeping in a buck Wlad really ducked Wilder
Lol at wlad ducking anyone.
Black_Jesus
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Here's the loser Wlad on the idea of fighting Wilder..
You never seen this level of Juelzing come out Wlad mouth except for when it came to dighting Wilder
"The belt I never had would be nice to have. I need to say I'm in the driver's seat. He just won the title. He needs to defend it, but I hope this fight happens sooner than later. I know he has decision-makers behind him. We'll see what happens, but it's a logical step to have a unification fight, absolutely yes.
"I'd rather fight with Wilder in a pay-per-view fight, and it would be nice to have another belt. But there's one heavyweight champion for a long time. If anyone wants to get it, they need to get to me. Do I look forward to it? Yes. Am I desperate for it? No. Is it interesting for the public? Yes.
"Let's see how things develop. Later there will be time to consider Tyson Fury or Deontay Wilder fights, but now is not the time to talk about that. I cannot underestimate Jennings."
You never seen this level of Juelzing come out Wlad mouth except for when it came to dighting Wilder
"The belt I never had would be nice to have. I need to say I'm in the driver's seat. He just won the title. He needs to defend it, but I hope this fight happens sooner than later. I know he has decision-makers behind him. We'll see what happens, but it's a logical step to have a unification fight, absolutely yes.
"I'd rather fight with Wilder in a pay-per-view fight, and it would be nice to have another belt. But there's one heavyweight champion for a long time. If anyone wants to get it, they need to get to me. Do I look forward to it? Yes. Am I desperate for it? No. Is it interesting for the public? Yes.
"Let's see how things develop. Later there will be time to consider Tyson Fury or Deontay Wilder fights, but now is not the time to talk about that. I cannot underestimate Jennings."
Black_Jesus
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He ducked Wilder though.
Black_Jesus
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So why did Wlad never make any attempt to face him??
I think his overall resume is trash compared to Joshua but I give him full credit for the first Ortiz fight and Fury
I think Ortiz was being ducked when Wilder first fought him. Remember Ortiz was knocking ppl out bad and looked scary doing it, plus it was no real upside to fighting him for most boxers (financially or credit wise). We saw why since Wilder lost damn near every round against Ortiz except for rounds he got knockdowns in over the course of two fights.
Plus remember Wilder was going fight Poveltkin who was also kind of ducked back then. The Fury fight was probably strategic but you still have to give him credit for it I guess
Brace yourself.......but i think Wilder resume is better than Joshua resume since 2018
We'll see what happens after Fury cause i'm not sure who Wilder fights besides Fury going forward really, maybe PBC will feed him Ruiz or that shytty Nigerian who fought last night
I will give him credit for Ortiz, I think that's the only good name on his record, even though it's not elite it's good. Fury I can't really give him credit for because I felt like he lost and it was certainly a Fury not at 100 percent mentally or physically and a cherry pick cause they said they didn't think he was ready. If he beats him the next time if he does cleanly with no robberies etc I will give him full credit because Fury has had enough time now to be in shape. If he does he will finally have an elite name on his record, after 44 fights, would be about time.
I personally don't buy the Ortiz hype but I can respect that, I think Ortiz is good just not elite. Wilder can lose to anybody in terms of rounds, his end game really is the knockout, so I don't judge him too negatively in terms of rounds because I feel like he has a different end game, obviously I will if it's an elite fighter he's facing because then if he doesn't knock him out rounds because important.
Since 2018 Wilder has beaten Ortiz and Breazeale, AJ has beaten Parker, Povetkin and Ruiz so I feel like AJ's is much better since then and even more so if we count of all time.
I will certainly give Wilder credit if he beats Fury though, Fury is an elite fighter, and I think Wilder is capable, but he could have taken these challenges much earlier. Hopefully the latter part of career is better than what's happened so far cause his record is awful so far.
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Black_Jesus
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AJ has a been KTFO since 2018, but somehow he has a better record than Wilder who fought Ortiz, Tyson Fury, Brazeale, Ortiz again and about to rematch Fury.. All tougher opposition than AJs... Only a fagg would believe that