Why do most "Christians" celebrate Xmas in a pagan way?

[ReturnOfJudah]

Coming in late to this but the Sunday before Christmas we got home after church and my 10 year old goes, "so pop, what does all of "this" (pointing to the tree and lights) have to do with Christmas."

So we sat down and read the 2 different parts of the bible where the birth of JC is covered. After that he goes, "uh, so yeah none of this has anything to do with Jesus then right?"

Me: Yup.

Son: So why do we do any of this?

Me: (and to answer the OP's question)
We really don't know when JC was born, but we've sorta decided that Christmas is the day we're going to celebrate his birthday. Now the gift giving is a perversion of the idea of good will and such. (I cited a few videos from "black friday", which I'd shown the kids previously. To which this same son goes, weren't these people just sitting with their families giving thanks for what they had?") WE give gifts to each other to remember God gave us JC as a gift so that we can be saved. What if I were to tell you the tree is part of a pagan religion?

Son: ....i'd ask why we have it up.

Me: Tradition? Honestly we probably shouldn't, but to make a long story short it's an adopted tradition from another religion. Thing is we don't celebrate that religion or the tree in such a way as it was used in that religion, it's just decoration in essence and doesn't really have any religions significance. It's like that picture frame. It's up all year long, but we don't pray to it, or worship it and unless we start dancing around the tree celebrating the solstice it's just that, a decoration. Just keep in mind the reason we have Christmas is to celebrate, even though there's no direction to do so, the birth of JC and we celebrate by giving gifts, as well as reflecting on the purpose of his life and death.

So that's the answer I gave my 3 kids to this very question. Made sense to them.


As a side note, after black friday and my kids watching some of the videos, particularly the one where the lady takes a vegitable steamer from a little girl, we as a family opted to find needy people and give them gifts. The kids were to find friends at school who "needed" things. For instance one son wanted to get shoes for his friend on his bball team who needed them badly. My daughter got her friend a jacket, cause "her mom said she could only afford to get her a sweater".

Christmas has been co opted by, surprise, corporations, it's literally that simple. Understand this and you can avoid many of the pitfalls and do your part to give charitably to those in need be you a Christian or not.

Matthew 23:15
Damn shame.. the kid had was trying to show yall what yall doing is bullshyt. In return yall brain wash the child to make him think evil is good

 

[Brown_Pride]

Matthew 23:15
Damn shame.. the kid had was trying to show yall what yall doing is bullshyt. In return yall brain wash the child to make him think evil is good

Pretty sure what I did and what you're quoting, particularly given the context of that chapter have anything to do with your comment.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Pretty sure what I did and what you're quoting, particularly given the context of that chapter have anything to do with your comment.

The only thing different is you didn't leave town to justy to a innocent child why it's ok to do evil. You did your dirt in the living room

 

[Brown_Pride]

The only thing different is you didn't leave town to justy to a innocent child why it's ok to do evil. You did your dirt in the living room

Unless we start worshiping the tree we'll be ok

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Unless we start worshiping the tree we'll be ok

Jeremiah Chapter 10 told you that it's a sin to even have it in your house. So you are worshipping the tree by disobeying GOD. SMH

 

[rapbeats]

I never understood this.
Gifts, trees, St. Nick , etc

How does any of that stuff relate to Jesus and his bday?

Why are pagan traditions still continued? I thought pagan and Jesus dont mix

Why do people complain about holiday stress when they can keep their $ and just praise Jesus?


So why Christian are celebrating Christmas? Why even celebrate his birth if his death is the event that saved you?

He had to be born in order to die. so you could celebrate both. you cant have one without the other.

but why should i waste my time when someone else has already done so. read it.

Christmas Presents: Should Christians Give Christmas Presents?

CHRISTMAS PRESENTS- Introduction
Gift-giving at Christmas is a tradition steeped now in crass commercialism. Should Christians participate in the exchanging of Christmas presents?

CHRISTMAS PRESENTS- Origins
The giving of gifts at Christmas is a custom which developed in imitation of the wise men, or Magi, who gave gifts to Christ [Matt. 2:11]. It is sometimes said, notably by the Jehovah’s Witnesses, that this biblical event is irrelevant to Christmas gift-giving. For one thing, they claim, the word “Magi” should be translated “astrologers,” and clearly God would not lead people to Christ through astrology. This claim is at best a half-truth: the Magi were trained not only in astrology but also in all of the arts and sciences of their culture, so that the translation “wise men” is actually much more accurate than “astrologers.” Besides, the Bible makes it very clear that the wise men were led by God, both by the star which led them to Christ [Matt. 2:9], and by the warning which they received in a dream not to go back to Herod, since it was given to protect Christ’s life [Matt. 2:11].

CHRISTMAS PRESENTS- Misunderstandings
Jehovah’s Witnesses also point out that the wise men gave gifts to Christ, and they did not give gifts to one another. But that misses the point altogether. The now risen, glorified Jesus doesn’t need anything in the first place; but if we give to others Jesus Christ considers that as good as giving to Him [Matt. 25:31-46].

CHRISTMAS PRESENTS- The Commercialism Behind the Gift
For most people the really troublesome aspects of Christmas gift-giving is the commercialism attached to it and the pressure it often puts on people to give gifts to people because it’s expected rather than freely given out of love. And you know, all of us can identify with that. But these are abuses and therefore do not invalidate the practice itself. What you ought to do is adopt sensible, biblically-based principles to guide your giving, and stick to them. Whatever you decide to give, give cheerfully, and use Christmas gifts to remind yourself and your loved ones of Jesus Christ, God’s incomparable gift to us. On Christmas gift-giving, that’s the CRI perspective. I’m Hank Hanegraaff.

 

[gracchus]

Xmas ornaments stem from burnt Wiccan hung upside down trees in the Colonial Days

...but, Ho Ho Ho

Wait, perhaps that's where that correlation derives from

Witches weren't burned in Salem..

 

[calixprynce]

He had to be born in order to die. so you could celebrate both. you cant have one without the other.

but why should i waste my time when someone else has already done so. read it.

Gifts are just one pagan aspect of Xmas. What about St Nick, christmas trees, yule log , etc ?

 

[Brown_Pride]

Jeremiah Chapter 10 told you that it's a sin to even have it in your house. So you are worshipping the tree by disobeying GOD. SMH

nope there is no tree worshiping going on. That's my point.

 

[Soon]

Gifts are just one pagan aspect of Xmas. What about St Nick, christmas trees, yule log , etc ?

I guess it depends on the Church, but my Church doesn't have any of these things. Christmas is not even acknowledged.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Coming in late to this but the Sunday before Christmas we got home after church and my 10 year old goes, "so pop, what does all of "this" (pointing to the tree and lights) have to do with Christmas."

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nope there is no tree worshiping going on. That's my point.

Quit all that lying. You said your brother pointed at the tree set up in the house. The bible forbids that pagan custom because it goes back to pagan worship. You are following the same customs the idolators practice in the days of Jeremiah. So you are worshiping the tree. You bow down to it and put gifts under the damn thing as if its your daddy or something. But if you want to play stupid and act like you can't see how this is a evil act according to the bible then do what you do

Jeremiah Chapter 10:1-8
1 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.

8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

It goes back to the worship of Adonis

Adonis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The central myth in its Greek telling: Smyrna, daughter of Theias, king of Syria, conceives a child by him through trickery. Theias finds out and is determined to kill her, when the gods intervene and turn her into a myrrh tree. Nine months later the baby Adonis comes out of the tree.


http://www.graceandtruth.net/images/stories/docs/printable_tracts/(43)Christmas tree.pdf
The Christmas tree now so common among.us, was equally common In pagan Rome and pagan Egypt. In Egypt, that tree was the Palm Tree; in Rome it was the "fir". The mother of Adonis, the sun god and great mediatorial divinity, was mystically said to have been changed into a tree, and when in that state to have brought forth her divine son. If the mother was the tree, the son must have been recognized as "Man the Branch" (a corruption of Zechariahs prophecy conceming Christ, the Branch of God (Zeeh. 6:12). This accounts for the putting of the yule.log into the fire on Christmas Eve and the appearance of the Christmas tree the next morning. As Zero.Ashta, "The seed of woman," which name also signified "bam of the fire" (the fire god), he has to enter the fire on "Mother night" (December 24th in the ancient worfd), that he may be born the next day (December 25th) out of it, as the "Branch of God", or the Tree that brings all divine gifts to men. Thus, we see on Christmas moming the gifts under and around the tree as his gifts to his worshipers. December 25th was known far and wide throughout the pagan world as the exact birthday of Adonis the tree god (Allah) of Babylon. This VenusTree worship along with her consort Baal (the sun) corrupted Israel invoking the wrath of God for their idolatry. This goddess of the groves was imported from Babylon (Iraq) into Israel upon the marriage of Ahab, King of Northern Israel, to Jezebel, the daughter of Ethbaal, a priest of the Ashtoreth of Babylon (I Kings 16:31). God's judgment for such wickedness has been to purge Israel for 2600 years with sword, famine, pestilence and the beast (Jer. 29:17.19). Jesus was born of a virgin. He was God in the flesh. He died and shed his blood as an atonement for sin that all who believe in him will have eternal life. However, Christmas (the Satumalia) and The Christmas Tree (Venus • the groves) have nothing to do with his birth. We have corrupted ourselves

 

[Brown_Pride]

Quit all that lying. You said your brother pointed at the tree set up in the house. The bible forbids that pagan custom because it goes back to pagan worship. You are following the same customs the idolators practice in the days of Jeremiah. So you are worshiping the tree. You bow down to it and put gifts under the damn thing as if its your daddy or something. But if you want to play stupid and act like you can't see how this is a evil act according to the bible then do what you do


It goes back to the worship of Adonis

lol ok. You got me. We definitely worship the tree as an idol and god. (and it was my son who pointed it out)

 

[calixprynce]

I guess it depends on the Church, but my Church doesn't have any of these things. Christmas is not even acknowledged.

Majority of Christians in America practice Christmas in a pagan fashion. FACT
Majority of Christians in America celebrate Thanksgiving and Halloween . FACT

 

[calixprynce]

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

This is getting interesting.