Why do Jews Christians and Muslims call on the supreme Egyptian god "Amen" when ending prayers?

[ReturnOfJudah]

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[Chez Lopez]

My dude. There will always be two versions when dealing with historical figures in the Bible. You are going to have The Biblical version and u are going to have the historical version. Most believers will stay stuck on The Biblical version and denounce the historical version, such as yourself. For example, it is said that King Ramesses was the king during the time of Moses....But King Ramesses didnt die in the Red Sea as the Bible states.....he died of old age according to history. So it all balls down to which version do you want to believe. In the Bible King Nebuchadnezzar is turned into a beast for a few years only to be restored as a human.......But according to world history, that didn't happened. The same with Jesus...according to the Bible, Jesus had magic powers.....according to the historical version he was a man who had the talent to lead men but he didnt have magic powers. King Xerxes(the homo giant depicted in the movie 300) has a historical version of his wives. Now, you do know that historically, Esther isn't even recognized as one of his wives right?? Its only in The Bible that it states that, so again it all balls down to which version u wanna believe. You see me, what I do is called "Conceptual intergration" thats where I take all the versions and mash them together to make a conclusion. Its been pointed out by numerous posters in thsi very thread that I do that. You dont do that because u are stuck in your beliefs which I understand. But the bottom line is that at some point u will have to acknowledge that there are always going to be two versions of events when dealing with historic figures in The Bible.....Me acknowledging Esther as a concubine is me actually saying she did exist in contrast to what the historical version says.

you would need to go to the book of judges and reference Deborah or Dabarah. She was one of the first judges of Israel and even went to battle with them, if you are concerning the role of women in the bible. Regardless, the woman was created to aid man in worship of Yahuah. You should also understand that just as one hundred witnesses may see an event, it is possible that only one saw it correctly. The prophetic validity of the bible verifies its contents. It is here and is the progenitor of not some world religion, all. That must be empirically respected, no matter what u believe.

Judges 4

4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. 5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.6 And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedeshnaphtali, and said unto him, Hath not Yahuah Alahi of Israel commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun? 7 And I will draw unto thee to the river Kishon Sisera, the captain of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his multitude; and I will deliver him into thine hand. 8 And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go: but if thou wilt not go with me, then I will not go. 9 And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh. 10 And Barak called Zebulun and Naphtali to Kedesh; and he went up with ten thousand men at his feet: and Deborah went up with him.

 

[Chez Lopez]

Can u provide sources for this material, I need this information for an upcoming presentation. Thank you!

 

[smokeurobinson]

Regardless, the woman was created to aid man in worship of Yahuah. You should also understand that just as one hundred witnesses may see an event, it is possible that only one saw it correctly. The prophetic validity of the bible verifies its contents.

Yo....I asked a question a while back that no one answered. Can you answer it since you believe Yahweh is God??

Here's the question:

If Yahweh is really God as it was revealed to Moses......Then why did Yahweh allow The Egyptian Empire to reign the longest of any Empire on Earth (over 3000 years) yet they were so called worshipping the wrong God??? The Egyptian empire was longer then the Greek empire..Longer then the Roman empire. Longer then Great Britian and America. How does that work? Now keep in mind...The Monarchy Of Isreal which began with King Saul followed by King David wasnt even 500 years yet Yahweh allowed Egyptian kings to rule for over 3000 years.

Also...In the Bible....Yahweh destroys false Idols worshippers but if the Egyptians worshipped the wrong God then why is it that The Sphinx and The Pyramids have been allowed to be the most popular man made structures witnessed by humans for so long as if they are being divinely preserved??? Pretty much everyone u may come across is familiar with Pyramids and The Sphinx. Even if they dont know which Egyptian King the sphinx is supposed to be a portrait of , they still recognize it. Why hasnt Yahweh destroyed these structures as he did with the structures of false Idol worshippers in the Bible??

 

[Chez Lopez]

this has probably been addressed but the term amen is a Hebrew word, amets. they both mean truth, in a wide variety of aspects. Remember that just prior to the enception of the Egyptian people, the biblical Mitzraim, all people spoke the same language, which is why many similar words are found in all ancient interpretation. One thing that proves consistent is that false gods appropriated Hebrew (the original language) words to designate their deities. Amen is one(Egypt), el is another (canaan), baal is another (canaan), shemesh(sumer) is another, allah(islam) is another, etc. This is a testament to the universality and power of the Hebrew language.

 

[smokeurobinson]

this has probably been addressed but the term amen is a Hebrew word,

Dude....we already covered this. Please dont come in here all late

 

[Chez Lopez]

Yo....I asked a question a while back that no one answered. Can you answer it since you believe Yahweh is God??

Here's the question:

What happens on earth is a result of wickedness. the length of rulership on earth has no bearing whatsoever on what Alahims will is. Remember that Israel was taken into the wilderness to prove them, whether they would obey or not. The wilderness is the world, testing proves strength. Muscles are built by testing their limits. Idols are everywhere, even today. Yahuah does not destroy them because they are a testament to the truth of the bible- even though they are expressly forbidden, they persist to the present age. The cross is an idol, which has persisted almost two thousand years. It still exists as an example of what not to do.

 

[TransJenner]

The word of God.

Did you know that before King James created his version of The Bible he wrote a book on Demonology?? Dude was seriously into demons and witch hunting. Most people who value that KJ Bible dont even know that. Most people who value the KJ version dont even know what land King James was a King of......(It was Scotland by the way). Makes me wonder...Did God really get behind this man into making one of the most popular versions of the Bible?

I study many versions , plus God could work thru evil (or something to that effect ) I honestly forgot right now , Plus he said his word stronger than a double edge sword so I take that for what it is

 

[smokeurobinson]

What happens on earth is a result of wickedness. the length of rulership on earth has no bearing whatsoever on what Alahims will is. Remember that Israel was taken into the wilderness to prove them, whether they would obey or not. The wilderness is the world, testing proves strength. Muscles are built by testing their limits. Idols are everywhere, even today. Yahuah does not destroy them because they are a testament to the truth of the bible- even though they are expressly forbidden, they persist to the present age. The cross is an idol, which has persisted almost two thousand years. It still exists as an example of what not to do.

OK......But u didnt answer the first question..... If Yahweh is God then why didn't he reveal himself to The Egyptians?? Why were the Egyptians allowed to strive and be successful for thousands of years before yahweh made himself known?? If the Earth is so wicked as u say then how could The Egyotians be responsible for worshipping the wrong God if Yahweh didnt even reveal himself till thousands of years later?? That makes no sense.

Also....How come every Empire has statues of its heros built during its time that can be witnessed in 2015 except The Isrealites of the old testemant?? The Egyptians, the Greeks and The Romans all have statues of their heros built during their era...Yet The Monorchy Of Isreal has nothing(yes I understand Yawhew gave the prophecy and said he would destroy Isreal but he also said the same thing about Amen in Jeremiah 46:25 The LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: "I am about to bring punishment on Amon god of Thebes, on Pharaoh, on Egypt and her gods and her kings, and on those who rely on Pharaoh.) ....Not one statue of Isreals heros until years later all after the fact, created by men who werent during their time. But the statues of Egypt still remain.

(keep in mind i'm really just asking you this to see if u give a realistic answer)

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Can u provide sources for this material, I need this information for an upcoming presentation. Thank you!

Black Britain

 

[smokeurobinson]

God could work thru evil (or something to that effect )

Your response reminds me of that verse where King Ahab summond the prophets about success in a campaign and God put a lying spirit in all of them accept 1 and that 1 prophet told the truth about Ahabs failure and one of the prophets who had a lying spirit in him got made and hit the 1 prophet who saw the truth.

1 Kings 22

But Jehoshaphat said, “Is there not here another prophet of the Lord of whom we may inquire?” 8 And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “There is yet one man by whom we may inquire of the Lord, Micaiah the son of Imlah, but I hate him, for he never prophesies good concerning me, but evil.” And Jehoshaphat said, “Let not the king say so.” 9 Then the king of Israel summoned an officer and said, “Bring quickly Micaiah the son of Imlah.” 10 Now the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat the king of Judah were sitting on their thrones, arrayed in their robes, at the threshing floor at the entrance of the gate of Samaria, and all the prophets were prophesying before them. 11 And Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah made for himself horns of iron and said, “Thus says the Lord, ‘With these you shall push the Syrians until they are destroyed.’” 12 And all the prophets prophesied so and said, “Go up to Ramoth-gilead and triumph; the Lord will give it into the hand of the king.”
13 And the messenger who went to summon Micaiah said to him, “Behold, the words of the prophets with one accord are favorable to the king. Let your word be like the word of one of them, and speak favorably.” 14 But Micaiah said, “As the Lord lives, what the Lord says to me, that I will speak.” 15 And when he had come to the king, the king said to him, “Micaiah, shall we go to Ramoth-gilead to battle, or shall we refrain?” And he answered him, “Go up and triumph; the Lord will give it into the hand of the king.” 16 But the king said to him, “How many times shall I make you swear that you speak to me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?” 17 And he said, “I saw all Israel scattered on the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd. And the Lord said, ‘These have no master; let each return to his home in peace.’” 18 And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Did I not tell you that he would not prophesy good concerning me, but evil?” 19 And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; 20 and the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said one thing, and another said another. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ 22 And the Lord said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’ 23 Now therefore behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has declared disaster for you.” 24 Then Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah came near and struck Micaiah on the cheek and said, “How did the Spirit of the Lord go from me to speak to you?” 25 And Micaiah said, “Behold, you shall see on that day when you go into an inner chamber to hide yourself.”





But you see....reading this makes me suspicious....With all these religions out here, which religion has God injected with "the lying spirit" ??? And how does one determine such conclusion if the lying spirit is in numerous men of God???

 

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[TransJenner]

Your response reminds me of that verse where King Ahab summond the prophets about success in a campaign and God put a lying spirit in all of them accept 1 and that 1 prophet told the truth about Ahabs failure and one of the prophets who had a lying spirit in him got made and hit the 1 prophet who saw the truth.

1 Kings 22

But Jehoshaphat said, “Is there not here another prophet of the Lord of whom we may inquire?” 8 And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “There is yet one man by whom we may inquire of the Lord, Micaiah the son of Imlah, but I hate him, for he never prophesies good concerning me, but evil.” And Jehoshaphat said, “Let not the king say so.” 9 Then the king of Israel summoned an officer and said, “Bring quickly Micaiah the son of Imlah.” 10 Now the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat the king of Judah were sitting on their thrones, arrayed in their robes, at the threshing floor at the entrance of the gate of Samaria, and all the prophets were prophesying before them. 11 And Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah made for himself horns of iron and said, “Thus says the Lord, ‘With these you shall push the Syrians until they are destroyed.’” 12 And all the prophets prophesied so and said, “Go up to Ramoth-gilead and triumph; the Lord will give it into the hand of the king.”
13 And the messenger who went to summon Micaiah said to him, “Behold, the words of the prophets with one accord are favorable to the king. Let your word be like the word of one of them, and speak favorably.” 14 But Micaiah said, “As the Lord lives, what the Lord says to me, that I will speak.” 15 And when he had come to the king, the king said to him, “Micaiah, shall we go to Ramoth-gilead to battle, or shall we refrain?” And he answered him, “Go up and triumph; the Lord will give it into the hand of the king.” 16 But the king said to him, “How many times shall I make you swear that you speak to me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?” 17 And he said, “I saw all Israel scattered on the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd. And the Lord said, ‘These have no master; let each return to his home in peace.’” 18 And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Did I not tell you that he would not prophesy good concerning me, but evil?” 19 And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; 20 and the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said one thing, and another said another. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ 22 And the Lord said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’ 23 Now therefore behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has declared disaster for you.” 24 Then Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah came near and struck Micaiah on the cheek and said, “How did the Spirit of the Lord go from me to speak to you?” 25 And Micaiah said, “Behold, you shall see on that day when you go into an inner chamber to hide yourself.”





But you see....reading this makes me suspicious....With all these religions out here, which religion has God injected with "the lying spirit" ??? And how does one determine such conclusion if the lying spirit is in numerous men of God???

Christianity just asks me to be a follow the commandments and treat everyone they way you wanna be treated

I just keep a personal relationship with Jesus , sounds corny but it's working so far , and I believe he rose